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Originally Posted by AntiochusIII
Really - do tell me some more ~;p
I have had several philisophy classes - most of them way before BP was even a thought in his parents minds. I am fully aware of what Nietzche meant with his philisophy - however it makes for a good joke when the need arises.
So Clarke Kent is soon coming to earth to save the world. How fun - maybe I will live long enough to see that - not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
~;p
Redleg is what's known as an annoying self-important higher-then-thou-so-I'm-going-to-joke intellectual.
Actually I am known as something else. Which is more then you could ever be. ~:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
Want to trade insults - I am pretty good at it. Been doing it a lot longer then you have been around in the world. ~;p
Care to play? :duel:
No, I don't play with kids. Why don't you go in your room and play with yourself for a while and then come back with a less pompous attitude.
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Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
Okay smart guy take a wild guess who tried to bring about Nietzche's Superman philisophy? ~:rolleyes:
Oh wait he might just be another hero of yours.....~:rolleyes:
Speaking of pompous - you might want to check out what the definition of pompous is. The individual who demonstrated that first in this thread was yourself. Here let me quote you since it seems you have a misunderstanding of what the word means, along with what kill means. ~;pQuote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
Until you thought to assume I was serious with my comments - I was just being sarcastic - You might want to get over yourself first Nietzche is not the be all philisophy that every one must subscribe to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
WOW, more childishness. I would expect someone from the army to be a little more mature in his insults. ~:joker:Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
You don't know anything about me. You can't know what I else I read or don't read. Everything you just said is just more juvenile remarks.Quote:
Until you thought to assume I was serious with my comments - I was just being sarcastic - You might want to get over yourself first Nietzche is not the be all philisophy that every one must subscribe to.
BP that can apply the other way round. What we see of patrons on these boards is like what we see of an iceberg above water.
Most of them are far more well developed characters then they appear in their forum masks.
Well I can say you that I'm as stupid as I sound...~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
And with that ironic statement I dub thee an Australian. ~:cheers: :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
Oh you would like colorful insults - Oh I still just playing right now - I can get really colorful if I desire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
Something along the lines of pox ridden, used by sailors and your genetic make-up if you so desire.
But since this is a forum with several age groups - I will keep the insults and the comments consistent with your age group - one for the general audience to be able to read.
Actually I haven't even begun to assume that I know what you read and don't read - nor did I state that. You must have a problem with your ability to read - here try the sentence again - should I break it down in a more simple form verus a run on sentence.Quote:
You don't know anything about me. You can't know what I else I read or don't read. Everything you just said is just more juvenile remarks.
Until you thought to assume I was serious with my comments, I was just being sarcastic. Now you do realize what sarcasm is? Should I explain sarcasm to you since it seems you have a harder time understanding it then I.
You might want to get over yourself first, Nietzche is not the be all philisophy that every one must subscribe to.
Notice what this sentence states - oh wait you seem to think it states about what you read or don't read. Hmm - it seems you can't read english very well - I wonder if your in special education or learning english as a second language? Now there less then a genius Byzantine Prince where is my assumption on what you read or don't read. There is only one assumption made by me in this thread about your stated philisophy in this thread and its soley based upon two statements that you made.
(I could bring out the reference were you talked about killing everyone that doesn't agree with a certain political philisophy - you remember that discussion now don't you - but we will save that for now.)
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Oh I'm pretty sure I killed him
Now my statement soley refers to these two statements made by yourself - and that Nietzche is not the be all philisophy that everyone must acknowledge or subscribe to. Not an assumption about what you read or don't read at all. But an assumption about what your two little statements here mean.Quote:
The more godless people will become the closer we will be to having a superman arise among us.
Now if your going to pretend to be an intellectual, try to understand what is written before you attempt to attack someone else's intelligence because you don't like their comments.
How wait - lets see you decided to pass the first round in this little childish exchange - wait for it now Byzantine Prince
Bingo we have a winner - again care to play - I am just warming up after being at work - maybe that is something you will come to understand when you grow a little older and get out from underneath your parents care.Quote:
Redleg is what's known as an annoying self-important higher-then-thou-so-I'm-going-to-joke intellectual
I wonder if you answered the question about Superman yet? Well I shall check and see after I post this one. As I figured - I wonder if you know who used Nietzche's philisophy to create a race of supermen? It really is rather simple to answer. spoiler alert - I am engaged in just a tad bit of hyperbole with this but not what someone is bound to think
Alright Redleg let's see what we have here. I'm getting kind of bored though so make your responces terminatory. *yawn*
Nope, I wasn't looking for colourful. I was looking for grown up insults. Nice ability to read. How ironic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
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Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
Another petty insult on your part. You know well that I am the same age group as you in general(legal) terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
You stated that I thought Nietzsche was the be all of philosophy that every should subscribe to, yes? This is simply wrong, because you don't know that Nietzsche is the be all philosophy in my opinion. Maybe you don't understand meaning of sentences very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
Try spelling properly before insulting people's language abilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
Oh so now you are insinuating I could be retarded? How nice. ~:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
I did not attack your intelligence. I did call you pompous, but then I followed by intellectual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
You showed your colours my friend.Quote:
As I figured - I wonder if you know who used Nietzche's philisophy to create a race of supermen?
How nice - is that because you have no ability to stay up late - must be getting close to you bed time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
Well it seems you have the ability to understand sarcasm - next time try reading verus assuming.Quote:
Nope, I wasn't looking for colourful. I was looking for grown up insults. Nice ability to read. How ironic.
Oh I got more.Quote:
Another petty insult on your part. You know well that I am the same age group as you in general(legal) terms.
Well neither do you it seems - but it did get you to respond now didn't.Quote:
You stated that I thought Nietzsche was the be all of philosophy that every should subscribe to, yes? This is simply wrong, because you don't know that Nietzsche is the be all philosophy in my opinion. Maybe you don't understand meaning of sentences very well.
Not at all - maybe you should trying reading a little more.Quote:
Try spelling properly before insulting people's language abilities.
insinuating - hardly - I clearly stated it.Quote:
Oh so now you are insinuating I could be retarded? How nice. ~:rolleyes:
LOL now you can't read your own posts.Quote:
I did not attack your intelligence. I did call you pompous, but then I followed by intellectual.
Nope - you showed yours in wanting supermen to come about - how does it feel to subscribe to Nazism.Quote:
You showed your colours my friend.
Have a wonderful day.
to the Moderators: Oh yes extreme hyperbole I know - but hell it works for me - you may now give me my just deserved warning and inablity to edit for my slam on this little knucklehead.
And you wonder why Atheism is exploding. People want knowledge, answers, solutions and the truth, not mind-control techniques.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
I can say the exact same thing about Leprechauns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solypsist
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Originally Posted by bmolsson
I can't believe that I just had to read through these last couple of posts...
Redleg & BP you two now owe me 15 minutes of enjoyable lifetime :stare:
I expect that this "conversation" is over now and encourage you to use other devices (PM or chat room) the next time you feel the urge to slate each other.
Thanks :bow:
Ser Clegane
Oh atheism doesn't provide that now does it. Just look at how many don't think, don't want knowledge, and have no concept of what truth is - and many of them claim to be atheists also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quietus
And no I don't wonder why atheism is exploding - the reasons can be seen if one wants to look. And some of it is for what you just stated - and their are other reasons but I will let you attempt to figure it out with your desire to worship science.
Notice how many so called atheists jumped to the defense of atheistism as a philisophy without bothering to actually read the sarcasm in my posts. Replacing one belief system with a blind following of another belief system does not make one search for truth, knowledge, answers, solutions or even truth. Its just replacing the belief system of a higher power with another one.
A prime examble of exactly what I just said. Solypsist gave a good answer - and instead of countering it with knowledge - you counter it with something else. But it seems you have a problem with sarcasm when its directed at atheistism - but want to use it as a counter to a his post.Quote:
I can say the exact same thing about Leprechauns.
Oh it was a rather simple pun - and one that was easy to understand.Quote:
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An atheist can have problems with alcohol. It's the same thing. The person always will leave his life under the control of some sustance or idea. I choose drawing perhaps, Redleg uses religion...Well all goes in tastes...But you're right atheism does not gives you automatic knowledge, but it's true that it opens a new door to see some truths that you previously denied in name of faith.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
We don't worship science Red, we attack it to make it stronger. That's a esencial difference between old relgion and science...Quote:
And no I don't wonder why atheism is exploding - the reasons can be seen if one wants to look. And some of it is for what you just stated - and their are other reasons but I will let you attempt to figure it out with your desire to worship science.
That's certainly true. I don't beleive that the "truth" can be only founded on science by itself, but I don't think that religion contributes a lot. Phylosophy does a fine work, but as you seem to replace relgion with phylosophy then I don't see any problem. Truth, as you say, is beyond the human capacity, so the human must look above his simple flesh to seek it.Quote:
Notice how many so called atheists jumped to the defense of atheistism as a philisophy without bothering to actually read the sarcasm in my posts. Replacing one belief system with a blind following of another belief system does not make one search for truth, knowledge, answers, solutions or even truth. Its just replacing the belief system of a higher power with another one.
Faith in God does not equate to an inablity to research and seek knowledge. Nor does it mean you are denying truths because of your faith. The one truth that faith in God that might escape you is how the Universe was created. One of Faith will always believe God had a hand in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
You missed the sacrasm in the post again - it was not directed at atheists in general but an individual in particlur. ~:cool:Quote:
We don't worship science Red, we attack it to make it stronger. That's a esencial difference between old relgion and science...
Religion is and can be a philosophy of life, just like anyother philosophy it can be distorted. Just by claiming your an atheistist does not exempt you from this distortion of philisophy. Now I used a bit of hyperbole, (well more then a bit) to show just that in an offensive way - but the point stands on its own merits. Even those who claim to follow a philisophy can distort there philisophy to the point it becomes a religion, and then use it to justify their actions both good and bad.Quote:
That's certainly true. I don't beleive that the "truth" can be only founded on science by itself, but I don't think that religion contributes a lot. Phylosophy does a fine work, but as you seem to replace relgion with phylosophy then I don't see any problem. Truth, as you say, is beyond the human capacity, so the human must look above his simple flesh to seek it.
You and Faith suppress curiosity hence you drive away people from religion, to atheism. Again, If God created the universe, who created God? Who created God's creator?Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
If I say Leprechauns are beyond physics, what do YOU say?Quote:
A prime examble of exactly what I just said. Solypsist gave a good answer - and instead of countering it with knowledge - you counter it with something else. But it seems you have a problem with sarcasm when its directed at atheistism - but want to use it as a counter to a his post.
Quantum mechanics and Quarks are bold strokes which didn't address the question if God has a creator, etc. etc.Quote:
Oh it was a rather simple pun - and one that was easy to understand.
edit: broad strokes, not bold. :P
So, you know God's "intentions" and "thoughts" through the bible yet God is still beyond man's understanding. Ironic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
LOL - Faith does not suppress curiosity - I am curious about a lot of things and I go exploring the wonders of knowledge. My pursuit of knowledge is not hampered by my faith in God.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quietus
A question to ponder throughout the ages - an answer is based upon one's own philisophy.Quote:
Again, If God created the universe, who created God? Who created God's creator?
Leprechauns are beyond physics - they are into the metaphysical based upon what one believes. And if I was to use the term "Little People" what would you say that means.Quote:
If I say Leprechauns are beyond physics, what do YOU say?
Again you seem not to be able to understand puns and sarcasm - maybe you should refrain from discussing religion and politics, and stick only to science.Quote:
Quantum mechanics and Quarks are bold strokes which didn't address the question if God has a creator, etc. etc.
How ironic that you once again attempt to place words in my typing that is not there. DId I once say I understand what God's thoughts and intentions are - I am not even about to go into that direction since its not possible for my mind or soul to fully understand what God's thoughts and intentions are. I am not God, nor am I anyother individual but myself - I can only know my thoughts and intentions. I can make assumptions about what I believe to be truth, or what I believe to be someone else's thoughts and intentions - but I can not "know" what the actual thoughts and intentions are until they are revealed to me. Frankly God granted me freewill - so that I can think for myself - not for me to know what his thoughts are intentions are.Quote:
So, you know God's "intentions" and "thoughts" through the bible yet God is still beyond man's understanding. Ironic
So again find where I state that I know what God's intentions and thoughts are - a claim that a simple christian as myself would never make. I can only know what I believe God would want me to do in regards to living a moral life and a charitable one. That does not prevent me from being curious or wondering about the meaning of life.
Next time try spelling 'versus' properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
Yes, well you ARE full of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
Meh, I just enjoy bashing you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
Reading more? Try going back to grade school and learning to spell and form sentences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
I'm hardly in any special classes, but I'm sure you need to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
LOL, do you enjoy making a fool of yourself?Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
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Nope - you showed yours in wanting supermen to come about - how does it feel to subscribe to Nazism.
By the sounds of it you read Nietzsche so badly that you can't even keep your facts straight. Nazi is a short almost slang word for NSDAP. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei
Notice the word Socialist, and the word Arbeiter(worker). Now anyone who has read Nietzsche knows that he was strictly against any equality between people's and a fervent opponent of socialism in all it's forms. He also states that his superman is not a warrior but an artist. The Dionysian artist, the Anti-Christ.
If anything Nietzsche belongs to the Romatics, who admired the ancient greek aristocratic secular state of Athens and those of the Italian Rennaisance.
Yet, you don't want imagine if God has a creator etc., etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
So, do you believe in God's creator? Yes or no?Quote:
A question to ponder throughout the ages - an answer is based upon one's own philisophy.
And do you have faith in God's creator? Yes or no?
Are Leprechauns equally real as your God?Quote:
Leprechauns are beyond physics - they are into the metaphysical based upon what one believes. And if I was to use the term "Little People" what would you say that means.
In short, is the Bible the word of God? Yes or no. If so, then since you read and even quote the Bible, then you know God's "intentions" and "thoughts".Quote:
Again you seem not to be able to understand puns and sarcasm - maybe you should refrain from discussing religion and politics, and stick only to science.
How ironic that you once again attempt to place words in my typing that is not there. DId I once say I understand what God's thoughts and intentions are - I am not even about to go into that direction since its not possible for my mind or soul to fully understand what God's thoughts and intentions are. I am not God, nor am I anyother individual but myself - I can only know my thoughts and intentions. I can make assumptions about what I believe to be truth, or what I believe to be someone else's thoughts and intentions - but I can not "know" what the actual thoughts and intentions are until they are revealed to me. Frankly God granted me freewill - so that I can think for myself - not for me to know what his thoughts are intentions are.
So again find where I state that I know what God's intentions and thoughts are - a claim that a simple christian as myself would never make. I can only know what I believe God would want me to do in regards to living a moral life and a charitable one. That does not prevent me from being curious or wondering about the meaning of life.
Lastly, so is God beyond human understanding?
Then, said being is not God. By definition, it is the ultimate being and creator of all. He defines His own existence.Quote:
Yet, you don't want imagine if God has a creator etc., etc.
Since I exist, I can know some part of Him, at least. Simply, the concept of God is that of a being whose nature includes the truth of everything, since I know that I have been wrong, I can conclude that I cannot know the entirety of God.Quote:
Lastly, so is God beyond human understanding?
So because someone who believes in God is the creator has no imagination concerning a possible creator for God - then he has no imagination nor curiosity? zWell it seems you have a very narrow defination of what is required for curiosity and imaginationQuote:
Originally Posted by Quietus
The answer is I believe in God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.Quote:
So, do you believe in God's creator? Yes or no?
Same answer as above.Quote:
And do you have faith in God's creator? Yes or no?
Are you equally real? Again if one believes in Leprechauns who am I to say that they can not believe in the existance of Leprechauns - do you believe in the Little People?Quote:
Are Leprechauns equally real as your God?
The New Testiment is the recording of the life of Jesus Christ by man. The Old Testiment is the recording of the early history of the Jewish people, the lessons of the people, and the Word of God where it is recorded - there is no short answer to your question.Quote:
In short, is the Bible the word of God? Yes or no.
And once again that is not how all Christian belief functions. Try againQuote:
If so, then since you read and even quote the Bible, then you know God's "intentions" and "thoughts".
Correct God is beyond our understanding. However the lessons of Jesus Christ are not.Quote:
Lastly, so is God beyond human understanding?
I didn't say it equates to inability, it equates to less sight. For example if you throw away the fact that Jesus resurrected, and actually take in the biological rules, every one should admit that this is the "Truth". However a believer will take the first one, and I agree, it's faith, though seeing faith always in place of the evident is truly and obstacle. Many could just see through it, and accept God for what it's, an idea...Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
As long as you accept that metaphysics is at the service, on it's knees, of materiality, then I've no problems. But careful with turning God into an actual being, because for what I read that's the idea I'm getting.Quote:
Religion is and can be a philosophy of life, just like anyother philosophy it can be distorted. Just by claiming your an atheistist does not exempt you from this distortion of philisophy. Now I used a bit of hyperbole, (well more then a bit) to show just that in an offensive way - but the point stands on its own merits. Even those who claim to follow a philisophy can distort there philisophy to the point it becomes a religion, and then use it to justify their actions both good and bad.
Naw I will give you something to focus on - since it seems to be the only comeback you got.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
Then you need to study a little history it seems plus what was actually written and stated in the thread.Quote:
By the sounds of it you read Nietzsche so badly that you can't even keep your facts straight. Nazi is a short almost slang word for NSDAP. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei
Notice the word Socialist, and the word Arbeiter(worker). Now anyone who has read Nietzsche knows that he was strictly against any equality between people's and a fervent opponent of socialism in all it's forms. He also states that his superman is not a warrior but an artist. The Dionysian artist, the Anti-Christ.
If anything Nietzsche belongs to the Romatics, who admired the ancient greek aristocratic secular state of Athens and those of the Italian Rennaisance.
Now take a wild guess to where Hilter and company got some of their warped little ideas from - I will give you a clue it wasn't directly from Nietzsche - but from what they wanted to believe his philisophy stated.Quote:
Nope - you showed yours in wanting supermen to come about - how does it feel to subscribe to Nazism
Now go back and review the thread and see if you can figure out what the message in that is. Your a smart guy sometimes - you just might figure it out.
Another clue based upon what you have written - soley an assumption based upon that.
You seem to have a problem with religion but you fail to see how any philisophy can be misused by man.
The message in the resurrection is what is important - the reality of the events will always be in question. However that does not detract from faith in the message.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
God is who and what he is - that is beyond my ability to say. I know that my soul is important in my belief system. Therefor God exists on the same level as my soul. I believe that all living beings have a soul - and when the body dies the soul lives on. Not to hard to understand.Quote:
As long as you accept that metaphysics is at the service, on it's knees, of materiality, then I've no problems. But careful with turning God into an actual being, because for what I read that's the idea I'm getting.
Now for a slightly different verison also based upon religous thought - and one that I subscribed to before I became a better human being. The Physical earth is the relm of man - my soul however must be able to answer to God upon my departing the physical world of man. The earth is where the steel of man is tempered in the trails of life. If you have no soul you have no life.
You've suppressed your own thinking of God's creator due to Faith.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
But do you believe God has a creator? Simple yes or no.Quote:
The answer is I believe in God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
Would you have faith in this creator of God? Simple, yes or no.Quote:
Same answer as above.
Since both God and Leprechauns are both metaphysical, can they speak to each other? Yes or no?Quote:
Are you equally real? Again if one believes in Leprechauns who am I to say that they can not believe in the existance of Leprechauns -
Humans, yes.Quote:
do you believe in the Little People?
So when humans recorded the word of God, these words contain his "thoughts" and "intentions". And the man at that location understood God.Quote:
The New Testiment is the recording of the life of Jesus Christ by man. The Old Testiment is the recording of the early history of the Jewish people, the lessons of the people, and the Word of God where it is recorded - there is no short answer to your question.
So, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?Quote:
And once again that is not how all Christian belief functions. Try again
Yet, his words are magically in the Bible. Where did Jesus Christ's lessons come from? Why listen to Jesus Christ, he's just a man.Quote:
Correct God is beyond our understanding. However the lessons of Jesus Christ are not.