MAKEDONIA...the land of aliens...

What is this thread about?

1. Who got invaded and taken of quickest by the Nazis
2. Greece and Macedon although Im not sure why we should care.
3. Hellas is the real name for Greece?
4. LENs spelling mistakes What the hell is "Türkiye":laugh4:

After revewing this thread I beilive I can say Texas wins wait no I meant Tejas

Greeks is what the Romans called them, and after that everybody else. Frankly, anybody who has a problem with that should be quite and deal with it. I wonder if Hellenes ever said the word "Hungarian" because he would be doing exactly the same, as they call themselves Magyars.

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As you know any time a state starts to give up and take steps back the whole thing hides dangerous consequences for the future, It may start with the name, escalate to the banknotes having the Thessaloniki's white tower on them etc. etc....

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Do you have any basis for that other then your irrational paranoia? Macedon has already pointed out that such thoughts are from a marginal minority wich is not really taken serious, despite whatever empty rethoric you might spout. Though the naming of "Former Yugoslavic Republic of Macedonia" was misguided at first, what reason is there to change it now?

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Originally Posted by Germaanse Strijder

Greeks is what the Romans called them, and after that everybody else. Frankly, anybody who has a problem with that should be quite and deal with it. I wonder if Hellenes ever said the word "Hungarian" because he would be doing exactly the same, as they call themselves Magyars.



Do you have any basis for that other then your irrational paranoia? Macedon has already pointed out that such thoughts are from a marginal minority wich is not really taken serious, despite whatever empty rethoric you might spout. Though the naming of "Former Yugoslavic Republic of Macedonia" was misguided at first, what reason is there to change it now?

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Well
https://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2108/banknote5cc.jpg
Thats the white tower of the Greek city of Thessaloniki, the one that the Skopjans call "Solun" and the "capitol" of the "suppressed" "macedonians".
Its quite convinient to safely condemn and express opinions without any deeper knowledge or even caring about the matter, which I understand since I wouldnt care much of the troubles of a foreign countries far away...

Hellenes

Is that note made of paper?

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Originally Posted by Papewaio

Is that note made of paper?

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Money is not made of paper..
Who told you that it is?
Its made of some cotton based material thats why if you forget banknotes in your pocket and wash them they wont dissolve.
And its obviously an overused banknote with a pattern inside.

Hellenes

Actually Australian money is made of polymers... paper, cotton is just so old fashioned and easier to make forgeries of.

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Originally Posted by hellenes

Well why then the Bulgarians are named from their real origin of Volga river? Shouldnt they be named Pannones? From the Pannonia region? But you didnt answer my question

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I already told you, we take our name from the region we live in. Why are you asking me about the Bugarians?

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Originally Posted by hellenes

Its strange how the Bulgarians have completely different opinion, for me if two people dont require even a fracture of a translators intervention then they speak the same language.

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Bulgarians are very loud about them being able to perfectly understand us. It is then very amusing to me to watch a Bulgarian first refusing a translation, and then requiring me to speak really slowly... Our two languages are very similar but not the same.
Let me ask you: Serbs and Croats understand themselfs perfectly. Are their two respective languages the same then? What about Czechs and Slovaks? Russians and Ukrainians? Croats and Slovenes?

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Originally Posted by hellenes

Can you tell me if these "Macedonians" are Slavs? Or violently Bulgarised by the Komitatzi and Bulgar fasists during WWI-WWII?

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Why don't you ask them?

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Originally Posted by hellenes

Well a variation of Myackia would be a nice name that would describe perfectly a state that didnt exist before and starts a fresh start on the global political scene.

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Is this sarcasm? Bah...

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Originally Posted by hellenes

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What?

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Originally Posted by hellenes

My point was that you should consider also the huge amounts of patience that the Greek governemnt (not all the people) demonstrated, and also the continuous efforts to resolve the whole issue diplomatically.

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Heh heh... The valiant Greek government peacefully but fruitlessly tries to push its rightful and just agenda against the shockingly wrong hostile propaganda of it's northern barbarian neighbours :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by hellenes

As you know any time a state starts to give up and take steps back the whole thing hides dangerous consequences for the future, It may start with the name, escalate to the banknotes having the Thessaloniki's white tower on them etc. etc....

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Hmmm... I've never seen this 'banknote' before. On the top says 'Republic of Macedonia', and on the side, 'One Macedon'. The picture is probably St. Climent. I've searched a bit for info and there is no record of such a banknote issued by the state. This is most probably a work of some 'ultra-right' group, propaganda effort perhaps (note the edges, it's amateur work).
I must again stress my amusement by your (Greeks) tendency to give credit to issues completely ignored and dismissed in Macedonia. You must surely know how fruitless is to argue with a nationalist about politics... Follow our example!

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Originally Posted by hellenes

We arent Hellenes because we live in the land that is named Hellas, we are Hellene, we speak Hellenic and have the Hellenic way of life a continouation and evolution from the past.
Wherever we go we name that place off OUR names not be named after that place (like hellenic names in Australia the New Smyrna in USA etc), Hellas is Hellas ONLY because there are Hellenes living here.
As STRAVON stated over 2 millenia ago:
"ΕΣΤΙΝ ΟΥΝ ΕΛΛΑΣ ΚΑΙ Η ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ"

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Congratulations.

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Originally Posted by Macedon

Hmmm... I've never seen this 'banknote' before. On the top says 'Republic of Macedonia', and on the side, 'One Macedon'. The picture is probably St. Climent. I've searched a bit for info and there is no record of such a banknote issued by the state. This is most probably a work of some 'ultra-right' group, propaganda effort perhaps (not the edges, it's amateur work).

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I also did a quick google-search that seemed to confirm that this one is "fake" (apparently it is some kind of "souvenir" produced by a Macedonian company).
Does Macedonia even have 1-denar banknotes?

We do have 1 Denar coin, but the smallest banknote is 10 Denars. (1 Euro = 61+/- Denars)

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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

I also did a quick google-search that seemed to confirm that this one is "fake" (apparently it is some kind of "souvenir" produced by a Macedonian company).
Does Macedonia even have 1-denar banknotes?

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So much for propaganda...

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Originally Posted by hellenes

My point was that you should consider also the huge amounts of patience that the Greek governemnt (not all the people) demonstrated, and also the continuous efforts to resolve the whole issue diplomatically.

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As opposed to? What would be the other option?

Much Ado About Nothing.

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"The Aromanians (Vlachs) of Greece plead for saving their mother tongue, against Greece's attitude that their language is only oral and cannot be written or taught at schools."

What is wrong with this protest by the Vlachs. I've seen many of those by minority groups in other places. If that is what you call the sabotage activies...

To quote again from the "enemy" site you posted:
"Florina/Lerin -- Last Tuesday an Athens court found three Greek journalists guilty for 'revilement', a slightly lesser charge than libel under Greek law."

It shows that Greek court has centenced Greek journalists for defamation. What do the Skopie Bulgars have to do with it.

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Originally Posted by silencio

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"The Aromanians (Vlachs) of Greece plead for saving their mother tongue, against Greece's attitude that their language is only oral and cannot be written or taught at schools."

What is wrong with this protest by the Vlachs. I've seen many of those by minority groups in other places. If that is what you call the sabotage activies...

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Like Welsh then? Despite being English I don't mind the Welsh revivng their language - it should be the same in Greece. If they want to sound like living history lessons with permenant colds then that is up to them. ~;)

Yeah, well, nationalism started becoming a problem the exact second some pan-somethingorother started getting ideas about one land, one people, one language...

And boy, did *that* ever cause trouble.