So let me get this right.
Gandhi didn't get into Heaven because he didn't believe in your God. However, someone for instance, like Hitler, a Roman Catholic who did believe, was accepted?
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So let me get this right.
Gandhi didn't get into Heaven because he didn't believe in your God. However, someone for instance, like Hitler, a Roman Catholic who did believe, was accepted?
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Its not my God its THE GOD :mellow:and Hitler like any other christian could ask for forgiveness. While Ghandi was a non beliver so Im putting my money on Hitler.Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
ive always gone with the principle that as long as you do good in the name of god, whatever that god may be called you will be in heaven, I believe Hitler would not have done what he did if he truly followed Jesus's teachings i can't tell you whether or not he would be forgiven i (like anyone else) haven't the authority, (by a longshot).Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
But they didn't know that disobeying God was evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZainDustin
Yes they did GOD told them not to. So they werent suppose to but were led into temptationQuote:
Originally Posted by Mongoose
Yay! I was right... :smiley:Quote:
Originally Posted by ZainDustin
Probably not, Hitler commited suicide, thus closing all doors for repentance, and ending his very sinful life with yet another grave sin...Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
But if you repent, then the lord will embrace you. After all the Lord loves no-one like a reformed sinner.
Look it says so.
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As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die... (Ezekiel 33:11)
The Lord is...not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (II Peter 3:9)
..the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (I John 1:7)
It's a very strange thing. You can live an utterly horrible life, sinning one after the other, but at the very end of your life, you could realize what you did was wrong, become a Christian, ask to be forgiven, and you will go to Heaven. But on the contrary, a utmost perfect person, who did everything good, and nothing bad, but wasn't a Christian would go to Hell. It's sad, in some cases.
-ZainDustin
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Originally Posted by ZainDustin
That sounds logical. Listen to yourself man. :no:
I know, it doesn't sound good, but that's how it works, occording to the bible.Quote:
Originally Posted by ghost908
It all boils down to this, you don't make it into Heaven by works, but by Faith.
You MUST be a Christian to enter Heaven.
-ZainDustin
Its not that diffucult just go to a churchQuote:
Originally Posted by ghost908
Amen!Quote:
Originally Posted by strike for the south
OK.
So tell me. If you live a life of utter depravity and maim, cripple, rape, murder, pederast, sodomize, beat, burn, pillage, ravage, steal, commit adultery, rob, blaspheme, lie, and take the Lords name in vain but you get the chance to repent, you get the keys?
On the other hand. If you help, say, the infirm, the poor, the troubled, the meek, the crippled, the ill, the starving, the elderly, the children and people in desperate need, just out of the goodness of your heart, but you reject the teachings of Jesus, then you burn in eternity?
Then how do you explain what happens to the roots of the tree?Quote:
Originally Posted by ZainDustin
Yes :blank2:Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
And you think this is a good thing?
It doesn't matter what I think. It's God's will.
-ZainDustin
But you have a brain. Of course you can think. What is your opinion on this?
My opinion is I think that's good. My reasoning is, why should God let people into his sanctuary if they don't even believe in him?
You know he gave you freewill right?
And that he places a very high premium on love too...
So does it make sense that a loving God will reject people who show love to his children but haven't been exposed to him?
I don't know about the people who weren't exposed to his word. But these days, everyone has been exposed to his word some time or another, accept the extremely isolated Africans or something. I think that's where the responsibility of the Believers comes in.
I don't know what to say about the people who were never exposed to the word.
-ZainDustin
Perhaps because they ellieviate suffering. Tend to the sick. Feed the poor. Protect the meek. Give help to all men whenever they are in distress.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZainDustin
Not much of a compassionate 'being' this God.
people keep saying that, but you don't get into Heaven by works, but by FAITH. a simple decision gets you into Heaven, that's it.
-ZainDustin
people who dont know get the same pass as little children who dont understand the sheer power of the comminet. They go becuase they had no chance BUT if you are openly refuting Gods word :thumbsdown:
And the roots of the tree? What happens to them?
Im sorry I dont understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
I geuss I don't understand the point of your question.
It's not sad, it defies logic. Even IF this God does exist, why would you worship a being that operates such a ridiculous salvation policy, arbitrarily throwing good people into hell just because they believed in a slightly different God, but allowing bad people to spend all eternity in heaven simply because moments before their death they said 'I believe in you God, will you forgive me?'. Damning anyone for all eternity is bad enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZainDustin
Plus, can anyone tell me why I should actually believe anything the Bible says?
For the last time you dont get in by doing good deeds you do it by having faith in the one true GOD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcellus