Illegal Immigrants in the U.S.

From page 3 and 4 of this thread alone we are said to have a bias... but each example is the opposite of the other:

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Originally Posted by Idaho

The nationality of one or other moderator is irrelevant to the point anyhow. It's about the overiding paradigm of the board. The mainstay opinion of this board is:

• Capitalism is good
• America is a benign force in the world
• America is the best place in the world
• Palestinians are terrorists
• Gays are perverts
• Socialism means making everyone speak Russian and being miserable

These opinions are held and maintained by 80% of posters and any attempt to challenge them is met with incredulity and derision. Like you are saying something just to be awkward.

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Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave

Be careful , certain Mods are taking points for calling a spade a spade, especially if your political leanings aren't in line with theirs. Of course this only applies to conservatives, all the liberals and leftits out there are still free to call conservatives racists, "commies", and whatever they want without concequence. Same old same old in the Backroom you know. Never thought I'd say this but I wish Soly would come back soon. Atleast he would just ask you to edit your post, not totally #### you like the ********************* does with the points. Oh, did I do another personal attack? Ooopsie, too bad I can't edit.

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Could you guys make up your minds and decide which bias we are moderating with. My head is overheating and these turbans are the cheap ones that don't ventalite so well.

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Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon

Maybe a hispanic battalion or something.

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The United States Military no longer practices that type of racism. That type of racial designated unit went out sometime during the Korean War.

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Originally Posted by Papewaio

From page 3 and 4 of this thread alone we are said to have a bias... but each example is the opposite of the other:


Could you guys make up your minds and decide which bias we are moderating with. My head is overheating and these turbans are the cheap ones that don't ventalite so well.

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You need to ask for more money for your moderation duties so that you can afford the more expensive turbans - the ones with an air conditioner included...:idea2:

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Originally Posted by Idaho

My own nation's immigration policy is based on racism. The average UK citizen would probably want even tougher immigration policies based on their racism.

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That's true that. I think it holds true for most European countries, and the US as well. But racism it is not. That is not the right term. It is not the colour of the immigrants' skin. What unsettles many people, is watching a demographic explosion of groups of people within their society who speak a different language, have a different culture, different values. And agressively cling on to that.

Essentially, the American southwest is being transformed at an incredible rate into, well not Mexico, but a Texmex or Mexifornia. (Or for that matter: Marseille is now a city where I feel a foreigner, and an unwelcome one at that. I don't know what that place is, but it isn't French. Call me a racist if you must.)

You do have a point when stressing that it is this feeling that preceded the outrage over illegal immigration. It is not a worry over lower wages, or concern over formal legal immigration procedure that created the current outrage. But it is not racism either. It is outrage over foreigners not willing to integrate. Of people refusing to speak your own language in your own country. Of seeing your country being aggresively transformed. I'd say the issue is not white (and black or asian, lest we forget) versus hispanic, but American versus Mexican.

The nail on the head frenchie:2thumbsup:

I'm now getting this weird image of Louis VI and SFTS walking along a darkened airstrip mumbling something about the "beginning of a beautiful friendship."

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Originally Posted by Redleg

The United States Military no longer practices that type of racism. That type of racial designated unit went out sometime during the Korean War.

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Oh I didn't mean for it to sound rascist. It could just maybe make them feel more comfortable to be with their comrades if they were somewhat "forced" to go to war. I guess you may be right though and it would get crap jobs or something.:shame:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/....ap/index.html

Great amnesty...I can see it now in 15 years the southwest votes for the offical laguage to be spainish. In 30 greater automny is given to the southwest "We must respect the southwests uniuqe culture" says the presdint. In 50 the southwest becomes Atslan putting Texas right back where we were 200 years ago:no:. Lesson kids? You can break the law if big business needs you and youre a growing minorty those are the two requriements. Well we better start brushing up now.



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Mexicanos, al grito de Guerra
El acero , aprestad y el bridón,
y retiemble en sus centros la tierra.
Al sonoro rugir del cañón.

First Stanza
Ciña ¡Oh patria tus sienes de oliva!
De la paz el arcángel divino,
Que en el cielo tu eterno destino
Por el dedo de Dios escribió.
Mas si osare un extraño enemigo
Profanar con su planta tu suelo
Piensa ¡Oh patria querida! Que el cielo
Un soldado en cada hijo te dio.
Chorus
Mexicanos, al grito de Guerra
El acero , aprestad y el bridón,
y retiemble en sus centros la tierra.
Al sonoro rugir del cañón.
Second Stanza
¡Guerra, guerra sin tregua al que intente
De la patria manchar los blasones!
¡Guerra, guerra! Los patrios pendones,
En las olas de sangre empapad.
¡Guerra, guerra! En el monte, en el valle
Los cañones horrísonos truenen,
Y los ecos sonoros resuenen
Con las voces de ¡Unión! ¡Libertad!
Chorus
Mexicanos, al grito de Guerra
El acero , aprestad y el bridón,
y retiemble en sus centros la tierra.
Al sonoro rugir del cañón.
Third Stanza
Antes, patria, que inermes tu hijos
Bajo el yugo su cuello dobleguen
Tus campiñas con sangre se rieguen
Sobre la sangre se estampe su pie.
Y tus templos, palacios y torres
Se derrumben con hórrido estruendo,
Y sus ruinas existan diciendo:
De mil héroes la patria aquí fue.
Chorus
Mexicanos, al grito de Guerra
El acero , aprestad y el bridón,
y retiemble en sus centros la tierra.
Al sonoro rugir del cañón.
Fourth Stanza
¡Patria! ¡Patria! Tus hijos te juran
Exhalar en tus aras su aliento,
Si el clarín con su bélico acento
Los convoca a lidiar con valor.
¡Para ti las guirnaldas de oliva!
¡Un recuerdo para ellos de gloria!
¡Un laurel para ti de victoria!
¡Un sepulcro para ellos de honor! Chorus
Mexicanos, al grito de Guerra
El acero , aprestad y el bridón,
y retiemble en sus centros la tierra.
Al sonoro rugir del cañón.

You could have just asked me to edit my post.

Let California become part of Mexico again, where it belongs. We will raise the economy of Mexico tremendously; the Mexicans can stay home and live well; they will not need to cross any borders.

Texas and the Red States will be happy that they don't have to share a country with us, and we'll be happy we don't have to share a country with the Republicans. Californians can all become bilingual and chew on wonderful Mexican food.

A win-win-win situation.

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Originally Posted by Tachikaze

Let California become part of Mexico again, where it belongs. We will raise the economy of Mexico tremendously; the Mexicans can stay home and live well; they will not need to cross any borders.

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Your fooling yourself

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Texas and the Red States will be happy that they don't have to share a country with us, and we'll be happy we don't have to share a country with the Republicans. Californians can all become bilingual and chew on wonderful Mexican food.

A win-win-win situation.

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Again your fooling yourself. Do you realize why a large number of Mexicans cross the border every year both legally and illegally?

I will give you a hint take a close look at the Mexican Government.

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Originally Posted by Redleg

I will give you a hint take a close look at the Mexican Government.

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Arnie can kick Fox's ass any day.

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Originally Posted by Tachikaze

Arnie can kick Fox's ass any day.

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That might be true on a one to one encounter between the two men - but it seems your not facing the reality of what the Mexican government is and does.

Ask yourself this - why do the Mexican's attempt such a dangerous journey to illegally enter the United States?

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

I'm now getting this weird image of Louis VI and SFTS walking along a darkened airstrip mumbling something about the "beginning of a beautiful friendship."

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Nah im just a double login thta i creatd to fool yall. Louis doesnt raelly exist.

Fooled ya. :laugh4:


Strike for the South.

Yay Go Longhorns!!!


Strike for the South.



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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Yay Go Longhorns!!!


Strike for the South.



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Maybe you should stop while you're ahead...

See, the correct spelling in the second post tipped me off.

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You almost had me, Louis. :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Tachikaze

Let California become part of Mexico again, where it belongs. We will raise the economy of Mexico tremendously; the Mexicans can stay home and live well; they will not need to cross any borders.

Texas and the Red States will be happy that they don't have to share a country with us, and we'll be happy we don't have to share a country with the Republicans. Californians can all become bilingual and chew on wonderful Mexican food.

A win-win-win situation.

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Wrong. The Mexicans lose from the massive amount of pot becoming part of their nation, the massive energy crisis, San Fransico, and all the Hippies. The Mexican economy collapses and they are annexed by Venezeual when Chaves decides to conqure the world. The end.

Loiue you disgust me https://img62.imageshack.us/img62/36...humb1af.th.jpg

Haha, come on Louis, get it right...

I , however am a longhorns fan. You can be my imposter.:2thumbsup:

I Hate Illgeal Immgiants With a Passion.. I hate How Preisdent Fox Threating to Sue Us if we do anything to "his Citizins".. My God, IS Bush More Worry about thos Stupid Mexcians Who Are Legal Ctians IN MEXICO,NOT HERE then The Actual US Citienzs,Like Me and everyone Us who had family members come here Legally?? I think the Natinaol Guard Should Guard The Border.. Any Mexcian Crossing Shall Be shot. That what I would do.. I heard on CNN Most Smulggers Are Reasled from Jail because there is not Enough Judges around to prsotecute themm..
Now, if you had the Army Guaring The Border,Popping the Guys as they come across the Fence,we won't have that ploblem,eh?? I don't care how many of you think that Idea of mine is plain Wrong, it just the right thing to do.. and the 12 Million People here?? Put them on Ships,Send them out in the Ocean,and blow them up or Sent them all Back to Mexico to work 50 cents a day where they Belong..

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Originally Posted by BHCWarman88

Any Mexcian Crossing Shall Be shot.
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Put them on Ships,Send them out in the Ocean,and blow them up or Sent them all Back to Mexico to work 50 cents a day where they Belong..

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This is not acceptable here :stare:

This forum is meant for discussion and debate not for sharing sick fantasies of violence.

Thanks for your attention

Ser Clegane

I got a temporary ban last time I said that ~:(

TAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHYYYMMM IS ON MY SIDE, YES IT IS!

Anyway, you gotta feel bad for the ones that come here legitimatly looking for a better life. They're the one reason I don't support immediate deportation of them. However, allowing them to go around in America unchecked is a national security issue more than anything else. If Mexican nationals can get in our nation undetected like that ,well, why can't terrorists... or even worse, agents working for enemy governments?

That is why I suggest we round them up, give them backround checks, and the ones with fishy backrounds deport down to Panama or Argentina (as far away from the US boarder as possible on the American continents, Kudos to Mencia for giving me the idea), and the ones who are clean can stay as long as they work off all their back taxes or join a foreign-legion type deal we can form. I'd be cool for that.

Naturally, you can't stop them all from coming here illegaly. But you can stop alot of them.

I wouldnt mind CA becoming part of Mexico. That would be a better solution then building a huge wall around it. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

This is not acceptable here :stare:

This forum is meant for discussion and debate not for sharing sick fantasies of violence.

Thanks for your attention

Ser Clegane

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To Me,a Soulution to a Major Ploblem.. But I Apogle for my Ideas..




Anyhow,if we do Grant them Amentisy,Dear God please Don't give them Amentsiy,but if we do, give them the Hardest Punishment ever. BackTaxes,Huge Fine,etc....

You should be apologizing for being inhuman, not for having a "solution." Hitler had one too, you know.

We don't need to give them amnesty, and we certainly don't need to massacre them.

Does anyone here have any opinion whatsoever on my idea for a solution? I posted this on page 3, I think, but received no feedback.

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Originally Posted by Myself

The only real way I can see is eliminate the demand for the immigrants, for then the supply will dry up.

What to do - if a company or individual employs illegal aliens, we liquidate their assets. To facilitate this, there will be rewards for correct information on such an employer. IE, if you correctly finger such a criminal, you get 10% of the assets, tax free.

Plus the employer gets jail time and a felony to his name. I think that would dry it up pretty quickly.

The flow of immigrants across the Mexican border would, I think, drop significantly within five years, to the point where existing security could handle the challenge of securing the border.

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I would think this would make both anti-business types AND anti-illegal-immigration types happy, but I don't know. What do you guys think of this?

I have forgotten to add that I am in all favor of attacking employers of illegal immigrants (mainly ones who have them doing hard laborous tasks for less than minimum wage).

Just adding a bit...:book:

It doesn't matter to me how much they get paid. Illegal is illegal.
And Alex, that may be a good place to start. I agree. But America has too much of a reputation (depite what many are trying to say) that we are the center of freedom of oportunity in the world. More will still come, but I do agree that it would be a good deterrent in the long run.

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Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good

You should be apologizing for being inhuman, not for having a "solution." Hitler had one too, you know.

We don't need to give them amnesty, and we certainly don't need to massacre them.

Does anyone here have any opinion whatsoever on my idea for a solution? I posted this on page 3, I think, but received no feedback.



I would think this would make both anti-business types AND anti-illegal-immigration types happy, but I don't know. What do you guys think of this?

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Sorry I didn't respond to your earlier post. I do, indeed, think this plan has merit. I might apporach it a little differently, but I like the idea of penalizing the employers, rather than the workers.

I also agree to lowering the incentives for people to immigrate.

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Originally Posted by Tachikaze

Sorry I didn't respond to your earlier post. I do, indeed, think this plan has merit. I might apporach it a little differently, but I like the idea of penalizing the employers, rather than the workers.

I also agree to lowering the incentives for people to immigrate.

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Yes, they should make it easier to become a legal citizen.