Always makes you wonder what they were smoking up in the high halls of the honorable United Nations when reviewing matters like this.
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Always makes you wonder what they were smoking up in the high halls of the honorable United Nations when reviewing matters like this.
Brenus - when they exhanged prisoners, didn't they received Serb prisoners instead? Your explanation sounds funny.
Yes, they did. The so-called ethnic-cleansing was actively carried on by both side and they exchange not only prisoners but populations.
Working in the area of Brcko, Modrica and Derventa, in 1992, the number of Serbs refugees coming from Tuzla, Zenica, Sarajevo and Orasje (as main land marks) was around 150.000. This is around October-November, so 6 months after the start of the war.
So, FROM THE BEGUINNING, Muslim forces took Serbian prisoners. And they were exchanged.
The main problem the Serbs had to face in Bosnia, and the reason why they never succeeded to take a town after the initial success, like the opening of the corridor of Brcko, was the lack of infantry. They didn’t have enough infantry for a too long front line… So, when they realised they had to fight twice the same soldiers/men, it didn’t feel the heart of joy. But only in Srebrenica this led to a massacre because the particular history of the pocket.
This thread is ready for update as something very important happened. But before that…
@Krook
Last month I had many contacts with Poles, and I finally found reason why you don’t like Serbs (hate would be too much strong).
In Poland ‘90s was spread propaganda about Serbs as only bad boys. And how I forget – Pope Karol Wojtyla was Pole, and he was open enemy of Serbs. That’s the main reason. But things changed, and Poland is now in our side in the case of Kosovo…
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I don’t know do ORG members know, but Bosnia (actually Bosnian Moslems as Republika Srpska and Bosnian Serbs denied it) sued Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (later Serbia and Montenegro) that my state organized and committed genocide in Bosnia, and they demanded large war reparation (unofficially 100 billions $). They sued us in International Court of Justice. After so many years, process was finally organized last year (2006) where both sides showed arguments.
Two weeks ago (26th February 2007), Court decided.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
To repeat:
- Finds that Serbia has not committed genocide, through its organs or persons whose acts engage its responsibility under customary international law…
- Finds that Serbia has not conspired to commit genocide, nor incited the commission of genocide…
- Finds that Serbia has not been complicit in genocide…
Bosnian Moslems and Croats are very disappointed by Court’s decisions. Over 14 years, Serbia and Serbs were accused for genocide, that Serbia made aggression in Bosnia, how Milosevic organized Srebrenica genocide and ordered and etc. Moslem and West lies fell, and who will now apology to Serbia? We don’t expect that, of course, even propaganda caused so much damage to my country. Now Moslems and Croats accuse West that they are on Serbian side! WTF! The same West which bombarded us 1999, is now… (well, watch Bosnian and Croatian state televisions). After all is end, when Court decision is final, Bosnian Moslem and Croatian politicians and their media said ‘that we all know that Serbia committed and organized genocide’. Sad…
But what Bosnian Moslems expected – that Court will accept so many lies in sue? :thumbsdown: Just to mention how they exaggerated numbers of killed people – in Prijedor they claimed how 20 000 Moslems was killed (genocide)! Court, of course rejected that as International organizations found ~1 000 killed. How far they went in propaganda clearly show that they claimed that Serbia committed genocide in their territory over Albanians, and even Hungarians. :dizzy2:
Is Serbia guilty for something? Yes:
Everybody agrees this is political decision to pressure Serbia to finally imprison and send Ratko Mladic to ICTY.Quote:
The Court finds that Serbia has violated its obligation under the Genocide Convention to prevent genocide in Srebrenica and that it has also violated its obligations under the Convention by having failed fully to co-operate with the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY)
There won’t be any financial compensation by Serbia (and Montenegro) to Bosnia and Herzegovina (I bolded).
And Court decided that in Srebrenica was committed genocide, but neither by Serbia nor Republika Srpska. Those who committed where out of control (I bolded):Quote:
The question of reparation
Having made its findings, the Court turns to Bosnia and Herzegovina’s request for reparation. With respect to the violation of the obligation to prevent genocide, the Court finds that, since it has not been shown that the genocide at Srebrenica would in fact have been averted if the Respondent had attempted to prevent it, financial compensation for the failure to prevent the genocide at Srebrenica is not the appropriate form of reparation. The Court considers that the most appropriate form of satisfaction would be a declaration in the operative clause of the Judgment that the Respondent has failed to comply with the obligation to prevent the crime of genocide.
Some members of VRS (Army of Republic of Srpska).Quote:
In the view of the Court, the Applicant has not proved that instructions were issued by the federal authorities in Belgrade, or by any other organ of the FRY, to commit the massacres, still less that any such instructions were given with the specific intent (dolus specialis) characterizing the crime of genocide. All indications are to the contrary: that the decision to kill the adult male population of the Muslim community in Srebrenica was taken by some members of the VRS Main Staff, but without instructions from or effective control by the FRY.
More (whole decision) you can find in ICJ web page: http://www.icj-cij.org/icjwww/icjhome.htm
Duke of Serbia - Serbian units commited that crime and we both know that.
Where is Radko Mladic? Actually I believe Mazowiecki. He is not a man that lies.
Srebrenica was a bit similar to Jedwabne - there were no organised Polish/Serbian army, but Poles/Serbs did that. They should be accused of war crimes and It's very sad for me that they aren't.
I don't think John Paul II was open enemy of anyone. He simply was not afraid of telling the truth. Don't tell that MIlosevic or Mladic were happy and honorable persons.
If you are talking about Kosovo, I never thought that it is not part of Serbia.
And situation into todays Kosovo is not ok for me too. It should be autonomical part of Serbia.
BUT
My apologises for mine mistakes. You deserved that.
Exactly. And they are guilty of that. Not Serbia as a country or Serbs as a nation...Quote:
Originally Posted by KrooK
@Krook
Again:Quote:
Duke of Serbia - Serbian units commited that crime and we both know that.
All indications are to the contrary: that the decision to kill the adult male population of the Muslim community in Srebrenica was taken by some members of the VRS Main Staff, but without instructions from or effective control by the FRY.
VRS is Army of Republic of Srpska. Remember – some members! Serbia has nothing with it. Neither had political leaders of Bosnian Serbs. Read whole decision of Court in their web site. Court found that whole operation was planned very quickly by some members of VRS, just 3-4 days before it happened.
How I know that? :dizzy2:Quote:
Where is Radko Mladic?
Who is Mazowiecki? :no:Quote:
Actually I believe Mazowiecki. He is not a man that lies.
I don’t know what Jedwabne is :no:, but Army of Republic of Srpska (Bosnian Serbs) was around Srebrenica.Quote:
Srebrenica was a bit similar to Jedwabne - there were no organised Polish/Serbian army, but Poles/Serbs did that.
Vatican and he was our enemy (like the most in the history of Vatican-Serbian relations). Later, before he died he wanted to come in Serbia to apologies for everything what Roman Catholic Church did in former Yugoslavia in WWII, and for his acting in ‘90s. Some politicians in Serbia wished that he came, but our Church refused that, and until our Church doesn’t bless arrival of any Pope, Pope will never come here. Serbia and Russia are probably the only European states in which Pope never was in history.Quote:
I don't think John Paul II was open enemy of anyone. He simply was not afraid of telling the truth.
I will just mention that Karol Wojtyla beatified Cardinal Aloiz Stepinac in autumn 1998. It is completely unacceptable. :thumbsdown:
That doesn’t mean we have negative relations with Vatican.
What I personally think about Mladic, I won’t tell you.Quote:
Don't tell that MIlosevic or Mladic were happy and honorable persons.
But about Milosevic I think everything worst, but he was accused for something he didn’t do. And ICJ proved that he wasn’t guilty (neither Serbia). He mostly damaged to Serbia and our citizens. He was typical communist who pretended as nationalist when elections came. He was nothing more than typical communist and nothing more. :thumbsdown:
Nice to hear that especially from you. :2thumbsup:Quote:
If you are talking about Kosovo, I never thought that it is not part of Serbia.
And situation into todays Kosovo is not ok for me too. It should be autonomical part of Serbia.
Apologies accepted. You just believed in black-white story of media. :2thumbsup:Quote:
BUT
My apologises for mine mistakes. You deserved that.
“But about Milosevic I think everything worst, but he was accused for something he didn’t do. And ICJ proved that he wasn’t guilty (neither Serbia). He mostly damaged to Serbia and our citizens. He was typical communist who pretended as nationalist when elections came. He was nothing more than typical communist and nothing more.”
Yes, but he wasn’t for what he did.
He, and his friend Tudjman succeeded where the Ustasa failed: there no more Serbs in Croatia. He betrayed the Serbs. Two days before Oluja, the Serbians officers were withdrawn from the front line on Milosevic Orders? Why several offensives were cancelled art the beginning of the war? All that was organised by the two… The fall of Yugoslavia was a premeditated crime, and Milosevic wasn’t a nationalist but he became one, he was an opportunist… He wasn’t a pure communist either. Just a man who knew to play the political game, and was help by his opponents and friends from Draskovic to Sesel…