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I know that Byzantine Empire became a Greek/Middle Ages cultured region. I said they were "Romans" because they were the Eastern Part of the Empire and the true succesor to the Roman Empire while the HRE was a coalition of German states which didn't come under direct Roman control (except at a small time period during Augustus's regin).Quote:
Originally Posted by BaldwinIV
Yes, they are succesors of the Roman empire but their core is Greek. This are my thoughts...Quote:
Originally Posted by scourgeofrome
The Eastern Romans are interesting that it was such a diverse culture, just look at the ancient Roman Empire, you would see Celts, Gauls, Thracians, Ethiopians, Egyptians, Romans, etc. all within their cities.
As with the Byzantines in their heyday, it was the same. Turks, Armenians, Greeks, Latins, Slavs, Arabs, people from the Steppes and along the Silk Roads could be seen in the cities of the Eastern Romans.
Essentially, the Byzantines are Romans, even though they aren't Roman. It was a multiculturally diverse empire, which is appealing to me since many cities in Canada are diverse, such as Toronto and Vancouver. It is interesting to see that how people lived back then, could be so similar in a way we live right now.
Also, the Byzantines had a literate and educated population, just goes to show you knowledge is power. They didn't survive for over a thousand years for nothing you know, well considering the Eastern Roman empire is the surviving half of the Roman Empire, you can count that to maybe close to way over a thousand years maybe 1500. You get my point.
Either England cos I'm English and their units sound good or HRE cos I think it might suit my playing style more if they can get Swiss pikemen and Doppelsoldners.
Actually, if the Swiss aren't a faction in their own right who gets the Swiss pikemen? Or are they just mercenaries? I know historically they were mercenaries at times.
*Wishes there was a Hussite faction = War wagons, crossbowmen, pikes and flails*
Well in MTW, Swiss Pikemen could be trained by anyone who owned Switzerland--at least for the Catholic factions (I'm drawing a blank as to whether the Muslim and Orthodox factions could as well). In Medieval 2, however, I'm guessing they'll appear as mercenaries, available to whoever occupies Switzerland.Quote:
Originally Posted by spong
With VI installed did the Swiss not become and emergent faction in the normal campaign?Quote:
Originally Posted by Martok
Your point of wiev is wrong though, youre comparing current day wiev on nations and compare them to the middle ages. The ppl of Byzantium might have been mostly Greek but they where Roman for almost 1300 years, at the big switch of populations during the 1920s between Greece-Turkey the Greeks from minor asia/pontus/konstaantinople still called them selfs romans and the Turks called their dialect roman. Dont forget that the name Byzantine is something from the 1800s and it was never called that during its time, it was a roman empire period and the ppl that lived there romans the same way ppl from diffrent nationalities in the US are all Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by BaldwinIV
Yes, the Swiss could emerge as their own faction, although it wasn't a guaranteed event. I believe that in order for the Swiss to appear in MTW, Switzerland must either be independent, or have low loyalty to the faction that possesses it. *And* it could only happen within a certain narrow timeframe, although I forget the exact year(s).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob the Insane
When they do show up, the Swiss usually don't expand, but they're tough to take out. I found out the hard way just how difficult it is to kill an 8-star Swiss King (and his bodyguard unit of 60 Swiss Pikemen). ~D
Thats weird.Usually when I play the Swiss kick but and conquer quite a bit of land.Then I come and take them over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martok
Basileus, you are right about many things, but I cannot help but jump in with the point of view of yet another Bulgarian. As you write yourself, it is absolutely true that the concept of nation did not exist, but there was a strong concept of ethnicity and people had a very clear idea of which one they beloged to - whether they were Greek, Armenian, Slav, etc. If you could go back in time and ask a trader from Thessalonika what he is, I am quite sure he will not reply that he is a "Roman", but he will most probably just mention that he is a Greek from Thessalonika. I completely agree with you that Bizantium is not the correct name and that it should be called the Eastern Roman Empire, but apart from the name, it was an Orthodox Empire, predominantly Greek in terms of population, ruled by Greeks (well, there was an occasional Armenian at the throne, but for the most part the Emperors were Greeks), with Greek as the official language. The clergy, together with the Patriarch were Greeks too, and they preached in Greek. Therefore, while there is no denying that the Eastern Roman Empire was a successor to Rome, I cannot agree that it was inhabited by Romans, and especially that its leaders were Romans, purely ethnically and culturally speaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Basileus
Well more often than not in my games, the Swiss were surrounded by factions that were strong enough to prevent them from expanding anywhere. It didn't stop them from building up a strong army that made Switzerland very difficult to successfully invade, though. :wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by scourgeofrome
In my games, the fact everyone had to worry about me weakend them.Besides, me and the Swiss were friends so it didn't matter.Truth,I only fought them if they prevented me from something like winning.More often than not, I won before swiss came anyways.But when they came, it was scary.But I liked their units. And cheese,don't forget the cheese.
Well, before everyone gets impatient: The Turkic peoples had not settled in Asia Minor yet, so there would be few to none of them in the Byzantine Empire.
England of course an play my King Henry V / Shakespearean role with Passion an Valour....
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by from this day until the ending of the world but we in it shall be remembered. We few, we happy few, we band of brothers, For he today who sheds his blood with me shall be my brother, Be he ne'er so vile, this day shall gentle his condition, and gentlemen in England now abed shall think themselves acursed they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whilst any speaks, that fought with us upon St. Crispin's day!
There were 2 Great Empires on earth until now.
1. Roman Empire
2. Ottoman Empire
The reason "why" is not only their borders.
Life Time, Infulence on worlds "rounding", shaping the world...
Between 11th and 18th centuries Turks ruled the world...
as Rome did some in BC and until Hun Turks came and moved the other factions on Rome...
England.
I'd pay the cash just to fight the battle of Agincourt in glorious graphical greatness. All the rest is gravy.
Byzantine, closest thing to any Romanian faction, plus they have a cool name and their army looks great.
HRE, Spain, and Scotland.
For gaming Byzantium at least in MTW1, they are in a cool position, between Islam and Europe, they have some cool units and their history is fascinating, in addition the fact that they are doomed in reality makes it all the more enjoyable to rule from Madrid to Jerusalem.
i change my vote, england is now my 2nd favorite :P. my new favorite is sicily, looking at the preview, their heavy infantry look awesome, and they have the crossbowmen with shields to protect them while they reload.
also, sicily is an island, easy to defend, with easy access to africa, the islands to the west, and greece-all of those are great port cities for trade and to dominate the mediterranean. with the easy access to africa, ill be able to get to the crusades faster and eliminate all the islamic factions.
ill probably play sicily than england, then sicily and england again but the second times try taking over western europe and not bothering with crusades to make for some nice heavy infantry vs heavy infantry fights and a lot of castle fights. also i would love to invade an island like britain while playing sicily or invade an island like sicily while playing england :P
I am actually deciding whether I should play as the Spanish or the French for my first game. I am moving towards the French, as their cavalry is good fun, their foot soldiers aren't bad, and I quite like their colours too. Their military situation is somewhat difficult, what with England to their North, Spain to their West, and HRE to their right. Three equally powerful neighbours who would jump at the chance to invade France. I'd enjoy that campaign I think, so I feel that they will be close to my heart because they will probably be my first faction. But I can't really decide 100%, so I answered "Cannot Decide".
Erm ... English, cause I'm ... erm ... English ~:)
Portugal all the way, normally a faction that is always overlooked, gonna enjoy taking the iberian peninsula and move my way up taking out the french and the english. The english will be used to that as we always take them out in football anyway lolol
Scotland! I want the guilty pleasure of using those inaccurate, yet awesome, highlanders.
I'm probably playing as either Venice or Milan because
1.Italy was fun for me in MTW
2.Venice has an easy defensive position
3.I love Italian food (:laugh4:)
4.Easy access to the pope (easier to influence him)
5.Venice should be able to make a lot of money,which I need.
i am going to go with the english first as I think they will have some fun troops and will be one of the easier factions, so a good introdcution to get used to the game. Plus it will be immensely satisfying to bash the scot and the frog.
i think i will try sicily after that as i imagine them being fairly difficult and will on the whole be operating in a different geographical region, + you are in a good position to start slaying the islams.
My fav faction is definitly england basically because of their position and longbowmen. I also have a urge to play as scotland, and destroy england.
Hmmm...should be fun! :juggle2:
The almighty Holy Roman Empire for me.
- They are my ancestors.
- I have many fond memories as them in the origanal Medieval.
- I love heavy infantry, heavy cavalry, and gunpowder.
C'mon guys! Where are the French supporters? I'm from there or anything but i've seen no french supporting comments (unless i've overlooked them). With those scott guards and crossbow men, plus they're awesome knights, they're sure to pwn....
btw...i'm actually a byzantium supporter:yes:
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Originally Posted by SCRIBE
thats not totally true because after that the eastern roman empire was <<greeklised>>(i dont know how to write it diferentlly)the greek element consumed the roman one(Byzantine empire is a mixure of greek and some roman population) and as for the others.ethiopians gauls agyptians and the rest,they were only the 10% of the pop of the empire because of the domiantion of the greek culture and population...
I will definately play as the Byzantines because they carry the legacy of the Roman empire and the glory of the ancient greek cities-states and kingdoms...
And a bit because i am greek:2thumbsup: