You could consider ITW as a sort of ATW "reborned" ~:)Quote:
are you talking with the leader of America:total War.
It never started.
This is our chance...
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You could consider ITW as a sort of ATW "reborned" ~:)Quote:
are you talking with the leader of America:total War.
It never started.
This is our chance...
Yes, it is ATW reborned
400 posts!!!
And over 1000 visitors....Quote:
Yes, it is ATW reborned
400 posts!!!
And many promises of help and support !! ~;)
I only found they use bow.We need more :help:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex_Pelasgorum
Mapuche will be difficult to make, and especially to balance... they were the best fighters around South America, defeated both Inca and Spanish.
We need real help here....:help: :help:
This is the Advance of Inca:Total War:
Faction List
Augaruna
Aymara
Chachapoyas
Chimu
Diaguita
Mapuche
The Incan Empire
Progress
Campaign map : 40%
Campaign balancing : 0%
Units graphics : 0%
Balancing/unit stats : 14%
Music/new sounds : 0%
Gui/Loading screens/icons : 5%
Descriptions/Unit cards : 0%
It will be refreshed
Thank you for letting me in.(And sorry for this long post)
First let me say that the mapuche were not the best army: They defeated both spanish and inca because they chose to fight on difficult terrain and they usually outnumbered the enemy. But when Lautaro came, everything changed: Lautaro (The real name is Leftraru) was captured in a battle between spaniards and mapuche when he was just a boy. He became the personal assistant of Pedro de Valdivia, the Conquistador of Chile. He quickly learned the spanish battle tactics and weapons, and learned how to use a horse. In the battle of Tucapel Fort(I think) he served as an auxilliary indian, but the love for his people was stronger and he betrayed Valdivia. He encouraged the fleeing mapuche to fight for their freedom, ans killed a spanish warrior to give them more valour. Soon Valdivia's forces were surrounded and defeated. Leftraru was elected as Toqui (general) by the mapuche Senate of Loncos. he introduced the horse as a weapon for the mapuhe, who quickly mastered the art os riding. He introduces oganized formations, 6-7 meter long pikes to stop enemy cavalry, cannons and leather armour, as well of spanish tactics and how to fortify a good place. It's a shame that you aren't going to do the conquista times, because they would be (the mapuche) much more interesting.:embarassed:
Anyway, tyhe mapuche army before the spanish came was composed of:
Missile units:
-Boleadora( or bolas)
-Mapuche Long Bow(2 meters long)
infantry:
-Clubmen(Light infantry)
"Macana" warriors(Heavy infantry): the macanas were a very long and very wide two handed weapon made of wood, with one side arched. they were extremely powerful and trasspased every armour.
-Spearmen: whith 2-3 meter long spears, hardened wood point. I dont know what are they gonna be used for whithout cavalry in the game.
-stone axemen(heavy infantry)
You could make sopme paesants or militia, i dont know.
Now let me tell you some names:
Important: CACIQUE is not a mapuche word. its a bad used word for most historians. The mapuche chieftain was called LONCO(head) and the military chieftain was called TOQUI(?)
CONA or KONA was the mapuche word for warrior. Every warrior especialized in One weapon; an archer would never use a macana and viceversa.
The CUGA was the family or tribe's Totem, the PILLÁN was the common ancestor for all the mapuche.
-Some mapuche leader names:
LEFTRARU
CAUPOLICÁN
GALVARINO
QUILAPÁN
PELANTARU
COLO COLO
AUCÁN
HUILCAMÁN
ONGOLMO
RENCO
ELICURA
-Some mapuche towns(mapuche didn't named their towns, but the chilean goverment named various towns with mapuche name):
TEMUCO
ANGOL
VITACURA
CURICÓ
LONCOMIL
And one LAST:yes: Thing: If the Inca Empire was divided in 4 rgions, Should it be possible to replace the 4 roman factios with them, with the main region giving missions to the other, as a "Senate"?
Thanks
do you already have some other factions unit images?
I forgot to told you that the mapuche naver conformed a united nation, and they were constantly in war with each other (aAs the Celts in Europe) but they were strongly united by a feeling of brotherhood. They loved their land and the respected they neighbour's land, the conquest idea was not in their minds and they never understood it.
and another unit coul be the machi, female driuds and medics who did not fight, but i think ive seen non fighting priests in RTW:BI
Welcome to the Mod Filibustería!!
This might help for Mapuche research.
No, we are going to have the Incans as a single entity, the difficulty of orginising the Inca into 4 seperate factions would be a nightmare. But each of those regions will be able to recruit a unique infantry unit (not recruitable anywhere else)Quote:
Originally Posted by Filibustería
Rome Total War 1.5 does not have the ability to depict seperate parts of the same faction acting in unison :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Filibustería
These will be as historicall/custom battles . ~;)Quote:
It's a shame that you aren't going to do the conquista times, because they would be (the mapuche) much more interesting.
But we could tweak their diplomatic relation with the Diaguita ~:) Diaguita were an off-shot of the Mapuche living in NW Argentina around Tucuman.Quote:
Rome Total War 1.5 does not have the ability to depict seperate parts of the same faction acting in unison :(
I can tell the AI how well the other factions are liked e.g. Incans will be more likely to ally with the Chachapoyas (who they called their brothers) then they would with Mapuche.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex_Pelasgorum
[QUOTE=Rex_Pelasgorum]These will be as historicall/custom battles . ~;)
But we could tweak their diplomatic relation with the Diaguita ~:) Diaguita were an off-shot of the Mapuche living in NW Argentina around Tucuman.[/QUOI think that the Diaguita lived in northern Chile, too. They were good warrios, but they weren`t in contact with the mapuche in Chile, they were separated by many tribes, from the diaguita desert to the mapuche green forests and swamps.
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Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight
Actually it would be possible...but it is near impossible for us to construct a "senate", but we can make the Inca a united group of 4 factions just by editing the descr_strat file.
It is possible to make a "Inca nation", and one can be The Inca Senate, but the missions and the rewards?Quote:
Originally Posted by Motep the great
Byzantine, send me the names of the troops.
How can so many people be interested in an ATW. That is so uninteresting!
" questions:
Do you already have the pre-battle speeches? i mean at least written?
What factions of rtw are you going to use for each faction?
No one is interested in ATWQuote:
Originally Posted by MaddMann
Which ones?Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius
No, we do not have the pre-battle speaches :shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Filibustería
The Factions
Inca - Greek Cities
Chimu - Egypt
Chachapoyas - Seleucid Empire
Mapuche - Thrace
Augaruna - Germans
Aymara - Macedon
Diagutia - Dacia
Murfios: Could you email me the skin for the Bronze Spears?
@MaddMan: If you don`t have the necesary degree of culture to understand the concept behind this mod, than you should at least respect the work of others !Quote:
How can so many people be interested in an ATW. That is so uninteresting!
Eventually we will have them... but i guess in the beta version, the Inca commander might still speak in its speech about the gods of Olympus :laugh4:Quote:
Do you already have the pre-battle speeches? i mean at least written?
Hmm, i guess it would not be a problem with the missions... Senate works fine even on Mundus Magnus map, wich has different settlements than those from vannila RTW. What concernes me, is the historicall accuracy... and altough the Inca Empire was divided in 4 parts, it had a strong, centralised guvernment under the rule of Sapa Inca.Quote:
It is possible to make a "Inca nation", and one can be The Inca Senate, but the missions and the rewards?
Inca should not ally with the Chachapoyas, altough they were culturally close, they where great enemyes ! We need to create between them the same relationship such as those between Rome vs Carthage in the vannila RTW...Quote:
I can tell the AI how well the other factions are liked e.g. Incans will be more likely to ally with the Chachapoyas (who they called their brothers)
About the Map, and the Map Editor... it seems like the guys from the Trivium had managed to release a version 6 of theyr campaign map editor. Once we have the Map_Heights, we should have an easyer job to do ~;)
That was just an example of what I could do, sorry for the bad subjects :shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex_Pelasgorum
Would the speaches have to be in their toungue? or will they be spruced up in other languages?Quote:
Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight
Are we going to need scripting?
shizzernockers3 is a scripter and want to help us...but I dont know if we are needing a script.
I really dont think so... but if he script, he could help in other stuff.
p.s. what does filibusteria do? I need it for the news thread which has been moved to the mod disscussion forum, and I need to know if the map is done.
Be pacient, the map is in progress.
Marius dynamite helped me. I was needing some help in the creation of the map.
:embarassed: I... don't really do anything, cause theres nothing i can do, but i want to learn.
plus, im very interested on south american cultures, especially the one of my ancestors, the mapuche.
the thing ive done here is provide information about the mapuche, like weapons or names, that you didn't have.
this is the faction most known symbol
http://www.mars-patent.org/projects/...or/MAPUCHE.gif
this is a map:http://www.nadir.org/nadir/initiativ...apuche_map.gif
Thats something Filibusteria.
You are our historican.
I dig it! I hope you include the Mayans, they are my fav, specially the Jaguar warriors.
Shokran and Masalema!
here are some images of the mapuche. Hope you find them useful for Models and/or Skins:
Mapuche spearmen:
http://jaimevera.cl.tripod.com/Lonko.jpg
Late 18th Century Toki:
http://www.mapuche.nl/publ/taal_mapuche/lonko.gif
The Clava, represents the power of the toqui(it is a neck medallion):
http://www.serindigena.cl/territorio...s/toqui_ma.jpg
Mapuche spearman 2:
http://pictures.galenfrysinger.com/s...a/temuco20.jpg
a Poncho:http://web.tiscali.it/Ghighi_Gentili...ges/Poncho.jpg
Theres an internet page where a mapuche warrior with a club and
leather round shield appears but i can't post the image here.
http://web.tiscali.it/Ghighi_Gentili...che_storia.htm
We are planning to just get the Incans, Mapuche, Diaguita, Aymara, Chachapoyas, Chimu, and the Augaruna.Quote:
Originally Posted by beauchamp
But we are planning to put the Aztecs and Central America in a later release, btw the Aztecs were the ones that had Jaguar Warriors and Eagle Warriors. We might include the Mayans!!
Good Stuff Filibustería!!!
And Caius: Tell shizzernockers3 he can join us, we need everyone we can get, probably a scripter too.
the Mayans died out in the 900s but small maya-based tribes lasted untill the spainish invasion, so I suppose that they might be included (but not under the name mayan)
The article (wikipedia of course) will give you the info you need