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Originally Posted by Navaros
Might wanna quote from a credible source of information when attempting to prove someone else incorrect, which Wikpedia most definitely is not.
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http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/
University of Southern Californ I A
http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/quran/
hey if you cant trust the islamic city - who can you trust
http://www.quran.org.uk/
The Quran has its own org!!! Lets hope their as well informed as our Orgers
I googled Koran and got the following:
About the Koran
This is an electronic version of The Holy Qur'an, translated by M.H. Shakir and published by Tahrike Tarsile Qur'an, Inc., in 1983. The text was provided by the Online Book Initiative and subsequently marked up at the HTI in SGML. Like all the versions of this text derived from the Online Book Initiative, it is not free from errors. We will strive to correct any errors pointed out to us.
Hm looks like only the page title and then in the description they correct it
yeh - wikipedi = dodgy I agree - but not in this case
[Edit] Just read your recent post - two words - FOSSIL RECORD
dude the rocks dont lie - short of the big G man himself appearing to me in my office and saying "Dude - I just put those things there for people like you - who like to study them" and then maybe
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Originally Posted by Navaros
Don't agree with that characterization. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, as the saying goes.
For one that claims a superiority in religious morality - someone is forgetting one of the basic tenants of his religion. I find that rather interesting.
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In my view this post is highly absurd. Carbon dating has been debunked as being wildly inaccurate and the "results" of it therefore are based on wild speculation about a wildly inaccurate method. Definitely little to no credibility in carbon dating.
Oh boy this gets even better.
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Originally Posted by Yunus Dogus
Just read your recent post - two words - FOSSIL RECORD
dude the rocks dont lie - short of the big G man himself appearing to me in my office and saying "Dude - I just put those things there for people like you - who like to study them" and then maybe
Rocks may and fossils may not lie but mankind's incorrect interpretation of them in order to support evolution is often lies.
Here's a link to some expert debunking on the subject:
http://www.creationism.org/books/Tay...ylorIMMd04.htm
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I do not follow any denomination. Jesus said that Christians are supposed to be of one mind and have no division of thought among them, and that one mind is to believe in him and everything stated in the Bible. Denominations run contrary to that.
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: Which Bible Nav?
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Originally Posted by Tribesman
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: Which Bible Nav?
Jerry the Sperm Whale's "Bible O' Revelations." second edition
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Oh man. So good. I love the word "O'".
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Originally Posted by Navaros
yeah - I had a brief glance over that link - erm sorry but that is entirely garbage - only someone with very little knowledge of geology would believe any of those selected 'facts'. Being a palaeontologist I could debunk all the debunking - but that would be too much like work and I cant be bothered. Besides which science requires you have an open mind to new ideas - not a closed one full of supersticious preconcieved idea.
Scientists make observations and hypothesise a model (theory) which best fits the observations
Creationist have a model and go around looking for observations to fit it
see the difference
If people want to delude themselves thats upto them, personally I feel its every mans responsibility to inform himself about the world around him. And draw his own conclusions. If you dont want Christianity debunked then dont go around attempting to debunk the models of others.
Having spend the last 15years or so of my life studying this earth and the living things on it (both past and present) - In my view - there is no doubt - evolution of this planet both biologically and geologicaly is the best fit for the mountains of evidence and observations we now have. The only thing you can truely be certain of is change itself.
from your link
These happen to be my thing - my specialty is as a micropalaeontologist (try saying that when you've had a few beers and chatting up a woman at the bar) - I study the fossilised tests (shells) of microscopic foraminifera. The tests show morphological changes through geologic time (or the deeper you go into the rocks), they are popularly used by oil companies to 'age date' the rocks of their reservoirs - these ages are relative of coarse ie older than that form but younger than that one - when tied to other radiometric (polar reversals, Sr isotope, and Argon dating) forms of chronostratigraphy the absolute age can be determined.
As far as those geoid rock eggs - Im pretty sure they form by progessive crystalization of the magma around an air void. ie as the magma cools different mineral are crystalised out in progressive inner rings, as the composition of the magma changes due to the parts already crystalised, different minerals are crystalised in progressively larger crystals. As it cools the crystals formed become larger and larger due to the lower temp, the mafic mineral usually are the first, (the dark outer shell) and the felsic ones the last (the light quartz crystals) in the middle.
These should not be confused with stalagtites and stalagmites which form in caves through the gradual precipitaion of ground water - how can you tell the difference - everyone knows 'tights always come down'
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
see now this is not getting my work done ....
[edit] its not the words themsleves but the typing them thats the problem...
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Originally Posted by Vuk
GOD said that man could eat meat, not satan. See a discussion, not a mob stoning. Surely this is an improvement.
Funny, Navaros disagree's with you here. Navaros claims that the god Yawe intended for man not to eat meat. That infact he intended for no one to eat meat, not even lions. That eating meat is a corruption brought by Satan himself. An idea I think PETA is readily supporting if not outright trying to spread.
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Originally Posted by Navaros
According to the most recent credible polls, like the one mentioned in the article in the OP and the one linked-to on this board a few months ago, between 50% - 60% of Americans believe what the creation Museum says. Due to the existence and future popularity of the creation Museum, that number is bound to rise even more in the coming months and years.
Show me the study. Because the last poll I heard with results like this was a cluster poll that for some reason or another had a fascination with people from Kentucky and Tenessee. Though even if these were the real statistics, and the majority did believe this, why is there a need for a conversion museum?
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Originally Posted by KukriKhan
[COLOR="Blue"]p.s. To my mod collegues: I must recuse myself from judgment in this thread, since I got personally involved (somehow). I'll stay out to avoid flame-fuellage. My apologies. :bow:
Honest Warrior! That's +3 morale to Kukrikhan.
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It is ironic how all these "untrustworthy dating techniques" have been used to date the bible and many other religious objects. And I didn't hear any so called christians complain about it being inaccurate.
By the way, believing in any kind of superior being doesn't in any way mean that belief in a book is necessary.
One of the rules I live by is:
"Beware of all men that read one book only"
And I am willing to advocate that that is one of the most sensible ones. I recommend it.
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These happen to be my thing - my specialty is as a micropalaeontologist (try saying that when you've had a few beers and chatting up a woman at the bar) - I study the fossilised tests (shells) of microscopic foraminifera. The tests show morphological changes through geologic time (or the deeper you go into the rocks), they are popularly used by oil companies to 'age date' the rocks of their reservoirs - these ages are relative of coarse ie older than that form but younger than that one - when tied to other radiometric (polar reversals, Sr isotope, and Argon dating) forms of chronostratigraphy the absolute age can be determined.
Sir, as a connoisseur of pwnage, I salute you for an especially fine example.
Also I will never again get a stalagmite and stalagtite confused. So, there, this thread HAS achieved something. :laugh4:
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Jerry the Sperm Whale's "Bible O' Revelations." second edition
Heretic , the apostates who follow the first edition are bad enough but them second editioners are the spawn of Stan (thats Stan the eight tentacled monster of the depths with evil intentions of suckering any of Frogs followers why stray from the holy Shoal )
True believers only follow the authors own notes as sent to the publisher before proof reading .:yes:
Yanus , have you read the Cretinist "scientific" explanation for chalk on Hams website ?
It might give you a good laugh .
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I'm confused how you can supposedly debunk radio-carbon dating. Radioactive decay is very predictable, and you can clearly see it happening with isotopes of shorter half-lives.
It'd be like living a billion years and clearly seeing evolution occuring, then saying it isn't happening.
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I'm confused how you can supposedly debunk radio-carbon dating.
Well mistakes can be made in the process , which means it must be a flawed scientific method because it is not perfect like G*d would do it .
But the main reason it can be debunked is because the Bible says that the earth is only a few thousand years old , carbon dating says otherwise so carbon dating is obviously wrong and therefore thouroughly debunked .
BTW anyone seen Hams Tuesday news article ?
There is a carving at Ankor which clearly proves that people were living with dinosaurs in Cambodia less than a thousand years ago :yes:
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I can't believe I missed this quote.
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Originally Posted by Vuk
GOD said that man could eat meat, not satan.
Lies and slander! You Christians just don't have the nerve to admit that Satan had the good sense to invent bacon and your god didn't.
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If god wanted us to be perfect he wouldn't have invented the taste bud... or maybe it was evolution's way of telling a human wether something was likely poisonous or not...
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like a whale in a bath-tub, vuk and Navaros are out of their depths. like i said Vuk, if you want to talk about the Qur'an or Islam, i am more then happy to.
to the other Christians here; just because people are attacking the statements made by vuk and Navaros, doesn't mean we are attack you or your religion.
also if wiki is a bad source of information, the surely relying on "www.creationism.org" for expert advise on radioactive dating, is certainly worst.
BTW expert in what exactly?? i' am an expert at farting in the mornings, but thats doesn't mean i should run about proclaiming the sun is a giant ball of orange juice...:spider: :whip:
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Originally Posted by Wakizashi
or maybe it was evolution's way of telling a human wether something was likely poisonous or not
Considering the rampant rise of oral herpes, that must not be the case.
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Originally Posted by Beren Son Of Barahi
like a whale in a bath-tub, vuk and Navaros are out of their depths. like i said Vuk, if you want to talk about the Qur'an or Islam, i am more then happy to.
to the other Christians here; just because people are attacking the statements made by vuk and Navaros, doesn't mean we are attack you or your religion.
Navaros doesn't qualify as any type of Christian as far as I am concerned, so you can attack his beliefs and statements as much as you want, absolutely nothing to do with me. I'll even join you.
I do actually want to talk about Islam. This "people of the book" thing which covers Christians and Jews. Does it mean that we don't go to hell? Or is it just that you're suppossed to put up with us, rather like the unfortunate cousin?
I'm not stirring, it's a serious question, because according to the Bible, tolerance or no, it's Jesus or the pit.
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Originally Posted by Wigferth Ironwall
Navaros doesn't qualify as any type of Christian as far as I am concerned, so you can attack his beliefs and statements as much as you want, absolutely nothing to do with me. I'll even join you.
I do actually want to talk about Islam. This "people of the book" thing which covers Christians and Jews. Does it mean that we don't go to hell? Or is it just that you're suppossed to put up with us, rather like the unfortunate cousin?
I'm not stirring, it's a serious question, because according to the Bible, tolerance or no, it's Jesus or the pit.
Firstly i am not an Imam (the best people to answer questions about Islam), i am not even Muslim , i worked in indo as an aid worker for a long time, but having lived there i have had a pretty up-close look at the worlds biggest Muslim nation. Like i said earlier i am not as knowledgeable about the Qu'ran as i am with the real life workings of Muslims.
The Qu'ran just like the bible can be quoted to say just about anything, the focus of hardliners would be along the lines of any non believer is an infidel, without mention of the parts that state that tolerance is a main requirement of all Muslims. The moderates would say that tolerance, understanding along with love of all gods children is more important. there is however a strong feeling due in coarse of the history of invasions with-in the Muslim world that infidels on Muslim soil is to be meet with force. i can't give a good answer, but i will try to get one for you....
EDIT:: i have found link, it looks like the older style of moderates.::http://www.islamdenouncesterrorism.c...e_muslims.html
http://www.islamdenouncesterrorism.c..._of_islam.html
it might be considered watered-down left crap by some, but many feel that the extreme views get too much credit.
jesus is where Islam and Christians differ, Islam has many prophets but only one god, the Prophets are not god themselves. the the emphases being on the Prophet Muhammad and god (Allah), where as Christians worship Jesus as the lord Christ and savior, believing that God and jesus are one and the same??
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Same old creation bunk...same old evolution bunk...
Paul Feyerabend folks...Paul Feyerabend... :yes:
Anything goes :bow:
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Beren: The Nicaean Creed established the Holy Trinity, one God with three faces, Yaweh being one, Jesus another and the Holy Ghost the third. However, other pre-Nicaean Christian sects, such as the Arians took a very different view.
Arian Christianity views Jesus the same way Islam views Mohammed.
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Originally Posted by AntiochusIII
Defend it, then. Else I'll be forced to "make a statement of fact" about Christianity...
Sorry, but I've been away for a while. Don't have much time now, but I will try to do my best...then I'll read all the posts I've missed.
Alright, lets take the war like nature of islam first.
I think it best to copy verses direct from my koran.
VIII/12: When thy Lord inspired the angels (saying:) I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.
XCVIII/6: Lo! those who disbelieve, among the people of the Scripture and idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.
IX/5: Then when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor- due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
IX/73: Oh Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.
LXIX/30-37: (It will be said)Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits. Lo! he used not to believe in Allah the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Therefore hath he no lover hear this day nor any food save filth which none but sinners eat.
XLIV/43-50: LO! the tree of Zaqqum (The tree that grows in the heart of hell bearing fruits like devil's heads) - the food of the sinner. Like molten brass, it seetheth in their bellies as the seething of boiling water. (And it will be said): Take him and drag him to the midst of hell, then pour upon his head the torment of boiling water. Saying: TASTE! LO! thou wast forsooth the mighty, the noble! Lo! this is that whereof ye used to doubt.
IX/123: O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you and let them find harshness in you and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).
IV/144: O Ye who believe! choose not disbelievers for your friends in place of believers. Would you give Allah a clear warrant against you ?
And the one I love:
IX/29: Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility.
Sorry that is all I can do, I am very busy. Will come back soon with the one on women.
EDIT: Here also are some not from the koran, but very important to muslim teachings.
Sahih Al Bukhari, 216:"I have been ordered to fight against people until they testify that there is no God but Allah & that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah & until he performs the prayers & pays the Zakat."
Sahih Muslim, 217: "Verily Allah has prescribed proficiency in all things. Thus if you kill, KILL WELL, & if you slaughter, SLAUGHTER WELL. Let each one of you sharpen his blade."
Now THAT'S peacefull
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Originally Posted by Vuk
Sorry, but I've been away for a while. Don't have much time now, but I will try to do my best...then I'll read all the posts I've missed.
Alright, lets take the war like nature of islam first.
I think it best to copy verses direct from my koran.
VIII/12: When thy Lord inspired the angels (saying:) I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.
XCVIII/6: Lo! those who disbelieve, among the people of the Scripture and idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.
IX/5: Then when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor- due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
IX/73: Oh Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.
LXIX/30-37: (It will be said)Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits. Lo! he used not to believe in Allah the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Therefore hath he no lover hear this day nor any food save filth which none but sinners eat.
XLIV/43-50: LO! the tree of Zaqqum (The tree that grows in the heart of hell bearing fruits like devil's heads) - the food of the sinner. Like molten brass, it seetheth in their bellies as the seething of boiling water. (And it will be said): Take him and drag him to the midst of hell, then pour upon his head the torment of boiling water. Saying: TASTE! LO! thou wast forsooth the mighty, the noble! Lo! this is that whereof ye used to doubt.
IX/123: O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you and let them find harshness in you and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).
IV/144: O Ye who believe! choose not disbelievers for your friends in place of believers. Would you give Allah a clear warrant against you ?
And the one I love:
IX/29: Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility.
Sorry that is all I can do, I am very busy. Will come back soon with the one on women.
EDIT: Here also are some not from the koran, but very important to muslim teachings.
Sahih Al Bukhari, 216:"I have been ordered to fight against people until they testify that there is no God but Allah & that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah & until he performs the prayers & pays the Zakat."
Sahih Muslim, 217: "Verily Allah has prescribed proficiency in all things. Thus if you kill, KILL WELL, & if you slaughter, SLAUGHTER WELL. Let each one of you sharpen his blade."
Now THAT'S peacefull
Dude, you need to read the Bible.
There's nothing in what you just posted that can't be matched intolerance-for-intolerance with quotes from the OT.
All of the Big 3 religions have in their basic tenets a precedent for killing or forcing conversion on non-believers.
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Originally Posted by Goofball
Dude, you need to read the Bible.
There's nothing in what you just posted that can't be matched intolerance-for-intolerance with quotes from the OT.
All of the Big 3 religions have in their basic tenets a precedent for killing or forcing conversion on non-believers.
I'm listening...
Pardon me as I dust off my koran now and search for some good verses about islamic views on women.
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What are women to islamic peoples:
II/223: Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate). So go to your tilth as ye will...
I don't like to compare religions, but you are always bashing Christians and saying they are evil and treat women poorly (which is BS as Christian men treated women better than any other men in the world did....), but if you read what the Bible says about women, it says that they are meant to be "an Help Mate", and a blessing, and only good things - a stark contrast to what muslims say!!
IV/34: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other.. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them.
First verse is about women and second is about men.
IV/15: If any one of your women is guilty of lewdness ...confine them until death claims them.
IV/16: If two men among you commit indecency (sodomy) punish them both. If they repent and mend their ways, let them be. Allah is forgiving and merciful.
XXIV/6-7: As for those who accuse their wives but have no witnesses except themselves , let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies...
From the hadith:
If a woman's conduct is mischievous or immodest, the husband has the right to beat her up but must not break her bones. She must not allow anybody to enter the house if her husband does not like him. She has the right to expect sustenance of her husband. (TR. P 439)
It is forbidden for a woman to be seen by any man except her husband when she is made up or well-dressed. (TR. P 430)
A woman is not a believer if she undertakes a journey which may last three days or longer, unless she is accompanied by her husband, son, father
A woman must veil herself even in the presence of her husband's father, brother and other male relations. (TR. P 432)
She is forbidden to spend any money without the permission of her husband, and it includes giving food to the needy or feast to friends. (TR. P 265)
A wife is forbidden to perform extra prayers (NAFAL) or observe fasting (other than RAMADAN) without the permission of her husband. (TR. P 300)
If prostration were a legitimate act other than to God, woman should have prostrated to her husband. (TR. P 428)
If a man is in a mood to have sexual intercourse the woman must come immediately even if she is baking bread at a communal oven. (TR. P 428)
The marriage of a woman to her man is not substantive. It is precarious. For example if the father of the husband orders his son to divorce his wife, he must do so. (TR. P 440)
A woman who seeks KHULA i.e. divorce from her man, without a just cause, shall not enter paradise. (TR. P 440)
Majority of women would go to hell. (Muslim P 1431)
If a woman refuses to come to bed when invited by her husband, she becomes the target of the curses of angles. Exactly the same happens if she deserts her husband's bed. (Bokhari P 93)
Women who are ungrateful to their men are the denizens of hell; it is an act of ingratitude for a woman to say: "I have never seen any good from you." (Bokhari P 96)
A woman in many ways is deprived of the possession of her own body. Even her milk belongs to her husband. (Bokhari P 27) She is not allowed to practise birth control either.
Man I'll tell you, I would not like to be a muslim woman. Again, while I seriously dislike comparing religions, as this is about not being able to say true things about islam and other religion v.s. throwing out insults about Christianity, I think it appropriate to say, I'd rather be a Christian woman than a muslim woman any day.
Mod: If I am wrong, then please delete last paragraph.
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I'm listening...
Pardon me as I dust off my koran now and search for some good verses about islamic views on women.
*sigh*
I didn't think I'd have to bother, since you claim to be a Christian, and it's fairly well known even among us infidels that the Bible is full of crazy stuff, but okay:
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. Deuteronomy 17:12
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13
If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. Deuteronomy 13:7-12
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. Leviticus 24:10-16
And you were saying something about women?
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. Deuteronomy 20:10-14
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. Deuteronomy 22:28-29
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife. Deuteronomy 22:23-24
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. Exodus 21:7-11
Oh, I don't know. It doesn't look like the Bible is any easier on women than the Quran is...
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Originally Posted by Beren Son Of Barahi
The Qu'ran just like the bible can be quoted to say just about anything, the focus of hardliners would be along the lines of any non believer is an infidel, without mention of the parts that state that tolerance is a main requirement of all Muslims. The moderates would say that tolerance, understanding along with love of all gods children is more important. there is however a strong feeling due in coarse of the history of invasions with-in the Muslim world that infidels on Muslim soil is to be meet with force.
firstly, your quotes fall under the above....In regards to Muslim Women, how much of that is culture and how much is religion? like all religions, Islam has been used for centuries to maintain control, or is used to keep people in power. but in Islam women and men are not treated as equals.
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Re: $27 Million Evolution-Debunking Museum To Open
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Originally Posted by Vuk
I'm listening...
Pardon me as I dust off my koran now and search for some good verses about islamic views on women.
I would suggest if your going to quote the Quran you learn how to spell it first. Which if you owned a copy you would know. Therefore I say all your reference are invalid and probably some anti-Islamic propaganda you've trolled up from Christian websites.
As said the biabal has equally as violent statements regarding non believers, Im pretty sure I saw it quoted in the Athiest thread
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...t=73476&page=2
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Should you persist in deliberately misspelling the Quran - I will consider it a slur against the Islamic faith
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Re: $27 Million Evolution-Debunking Museum To Open
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Originally Posted by Beren Son Of Barahi
firstly, your quotes fall under the above....In regards to Muslim Women, how much of that is culture and how much is religion? like all religions, Islam has been used for centuries to maintain control, or is used to keep people in power. but in Islam women and men are not treated as equals.
Nor are they by fundamentalist Christians.
My point was that adequate proof can be found in either book to support the idea that both Islam and Christianity have their basis in hate and intolerance.
But for the most part, moderate practitioners of both religions ignore all the really evil stuff.
