Well that still doesn't say why you voted GH. Just a random guess I suppose. Seems you've done the same thing I did.:shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
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Well that still doesn't say why you voted GH. Just a random guess I suppose. Seems you've done the same thing I did.:shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
oh, very funny... (it kinda was :laugh4: ) Disco has been calling himself broadsword for a few weeksQuote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I was in the chat like 30 or 40 minutes ago. Disco called himself "Broadsword". Ichigo was there too at that time. Just my two cents :2cents:
Either he is one of our killers or somebody (wasn't it Ichigo who brought this up?) is trying to frame him.
I also noticed Sigurd was present in the chatroom too, so maybe he already knew about Disco's new nick name and it inspired him for his write-up.
I don't know what to think. Should I vote Disco, because he uses the name 'Broadsword' in the chat, or should I vote Csar/Ichigo, because he mentioned it and he's trying to frame Disco...
I was reading at the time I wasn't around plus the fact that Disco's been using that nick for atleast a week it not more.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndresTheCunning
Really Andres do you think I'm that stupid? I guess you do.
Well, maybe you think we are all convinced that you are not that stupid. Thus we would not suspect you trying to frame Disco in such a clumsy way. And therefore you might actually be trying to frame him, because you hope we would believe you because we don't believe you are that stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
:juggle2:
Gah, this is confusing.
I'll stick to Abstain and see what happens. But I'm watching you Ichigo. And Disco.
Alot of watching to do...
Yes it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
1) Disco rarely mentions that in chat
2) The mafia must be a chat regular
3) GH is most likely to try a frame
Makes perfect sense. Number one being false makes it useless of course. Although GH is still likely to try a frame, a number of other people are as well.
Yea alright whatever you say Andres.:dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by AndresTheCunning
Oh and Sasaki sure I bet that's it. I wouldn't have mentioned it if weren't a reoccuring thing.
Wow this is confusing...
Still a bit lost.
joy i had another long life :laugh4: - i tells ya they are all out to get me!!!
Vote: Motep, for counter voting
Vote: General Handkerchief - is that a spicy meatball on that bandwagon I see?
Ummm, what is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
Vote tally:
Sasaki 2 (Ichigo, Seamus)
Seamus 1 (Hughtower)
Ichigo 1 (Crazed Rabbit)
Pevergreen 1 (Tom Hagen)
Motep 2 (Orb, Stig)
Orb 1 (Motep)
Hanky 1 (AtPG)
Abstain 4 (Andres, Redleg, Sir Boo, Hanky)
Well, Seamus did me the honour of responding - even if it was a series of meaningless bullet points dressed up as some form of cerebral analysis - so I'll respond accordingly.
Unvote: Seamus
And to pick a self-admitted lurker to kick off my campaign,
Vote: sapi
What say you, Bruce?
EDIT: Wahay! 100 up!
Unvote:Sasaki
Vote:AtPG
His vote makes no sense to me.
Where's everyone at?
His vote was clear enough. He was plainly bandwagoning.
For my honor:
unvote: Ichigo
vote: GH
And because he's one to try a frame on a chatroom comrade.
CR
Vote: Drisco
The Broadsword thing could be true, he could be using reverse psycology...
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ByzantineKnight
Sasaki is very focused on that kill description, isn't that a bit unusual?
Do you really believe that the Broadsword was only there to frame disco?
Maybe that is because you set up that frame?
Me, lol, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Ichigo said that he used it as his name.
I never go to the Chatroom, how on earth would I know he used that name?
Interesting theory - can you expand on its initial premise?Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
^^^I've spoken out several times about not going after red herrings. It appeared this might not be, but on further information it is. It should be avoided because:
If the kill description says Osmium--anyone can have put osmium. If it says something from chat--only someone who goes to the chat room could have put it. As it turns out, the number of possible people is too large to be of any value. I haven't been in chat for weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
People tend to accuse others of being framed or framing, when anyone could have done the frame.
Well, with such things as psychology, reverse psychology, reversed reverse psychology, reverse reversed reverse psychology, reversed reverse reversed reverse psychology etc, anyone could have put a frame there. Someone could just as well have read a post from disco somewhere indicating that he likes broadswords. Or someone could have figured that norsemen liked broadswords(since they do in Gothic 3 and I know that, someone used reversed reverse reversed reverse psychology to frame me, really!) and simply put that into the kill description, maybe it was even Sigurd who put the broadsword in there because the killer didn't specify the kill method...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
And ByzantineKnight, I was adressing Sasaki...the last one who was that eager to defend himself(CountArach in GHs mini mafia) turned out to be a mafioso.
Redleg, I remember Sasaki usually went for flaws in posts and users' logic etc. It was just a bit unusual for me to see him go after a kill description with that much ferocity, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.
Interesting. Something to add to the development of my own theories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Is this suppose to be a defense to the arguement present by Husar? It does not necessarily seem so on the surface, it seems to be more of an attempt at re-directing one's focus off of you onto someone or something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki
This tactic in the last two games has served you well, but you have also demonstrated the major weakness in this type of arguement, and both cases it has been shown to be true. Is this third attempt at this type of arguement I have seen from you, going to bear similiar fruit? Abject denial and redirection normally can be associated with an attempt to hide guilt of one's own actions, are you the rotten apple that seeks to spoil the whole barrell?
Now while I found both arguements interesting - I still do not have enough information to formulate a theory about who was behind the murders, but your (Sasaki's) attempt at redirection bears closer examination so that one can determine your(Sasaki's) actual intentions.
Sorry...Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
I would just like to point out that I have never seen Disco mentioning broadswords, he's always been AERO for the past few weeks or so, at least whenever I've been in the room.
Ordinarily this would look like a frame orchestrated by Csar, but since a few other people have confirmed it I guess I'm still lost.
Those few other people might all be mafia (or whatever they are called)Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I do address it. He proposes a difference in my behavior. I counter with the explanation of how the situation is different. I could also counter with the fact that I was more interested in Seamus as should be evident upon reread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
Clearly if only 8 people knew of the broadsword reference and one of them was mafia, and out of those 8 one was known for framing, they would be a good day one vote--to see what GH responded with. Have you ever seen me stick to my first vote on day one?
Husar's suggestion that it was my attempt at frame--I argued against.
I theorized that your up to the same arguement tactic as the last two previous gatherings, and that both times the conclusion is that you were the rotten apple that wanted to spoil the whole barrel. Now while I am not readly to proffer that theory to the community - I am willing to state that your arguement bears close watch given your nature. If you misunderstood that statement to mean anything other then that - then we must examine the nature of your assumptions about what the statement meant. Again I ask myself what is Sasaki attempting to hide?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
If a member of the esteemed gathering came up and stated that they saw you change into one of the Jotun proir to the death of Sir Moody I would be questioning them about how much they had to drink before drifting off to sleep. But since that wasn't stated I will not pursue such a course. I only pursue the course that is present, and that is why the attempt at redirection?
Not enough gatherings behind my belt to make that call either way. My arguement address the style of your response, not your voting pattern. An analysis of your voting pattern might be useful - but since I am posting during a break at work - I will have to wait awhile for such a task.Quote:
Clearly if only 8 people knew of the broadsword reference and one of them was mafia, and out of those 8 one was known for framing, they would be a good day one vote--to see what GH responded with. Have you ever seen me stick to my first vote on day one?
With a redirection - which is what I am addressing given the nature of your previous arguements at other gatherings. (gatherings can be taken to mean other mafia games - but keeping it in this game context - gatherings it is.)Quote:
Husar's suggestion that it was my attempt at frame--I argued against.
So while not enough evidence is available to make a conclusion about your activities during the night - your responses bear careful evaluation, as you bear close observation during this nights repast.