Trading card style unit cards for offline use

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Originally Posted by Cadeyrn

Looks great, though I did notice something that I suspect is a typo. On the Komatai Agrianai card it says spear were it should say sword, unless there's suddenly spears around with a lethality of .225.

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Thanks for pointing that out. It should of course be sword. Typo do happen unfortunately, most occur because I tend to copy and paste from another card and then adjust the stats. There is also a typo on the Roman cards at the moment, the Polybian Principes have a 'C' where there should be a 'P'.

And the Neitos don't have a secondary attack either.

Please let me know if you spot other typos or inconsistencies. I usually find them after I printed them out and put them in their sleeves, but more eyes are always better than 2.

Some more Roman units, including the Samnite mercs, errors on previous Roman cards corrected.

https://img338.imageshack.us/img338/...pqr3rp0.th.jpg

Don't know if this is a mistake, but one of the German units has 17 morale, but I thought 16 was the max...

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Originally Posted by Puupertti Ruma

Now all we need is someone to make rules to use these in a card game.

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How about Hoplites?

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Originally Posted by Caledonian Rhyfelwyr

Don't know if this is a mistake, but one of the German units has 17 morale, but I thought 16 was the max...

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It's not a mistake as far as the EDU is concerned, in fact the Gaesatae even have a morale of 22. Whether it is capped however, I don't know.

yeah great job on these
these be my favs
https://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?...omatae1ce5.jpg
https://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?...agetai1ir6.jpg

A whole series of cards have been added, check the first post for current and future updates.

Excellent,wonderful job.The moment i discovered your thread i put it in my bookmarks.It is too precious to lose it.
While playing eb i have a notebook with the units of epeirus and bactria,the two units i currently play but this is something else!
Thank you:2thumbsup:

And now for something completly different: CARD BACKS

https://img57.imageshack.us/img57/14...testzi3.th.jpg

This is a first, rudimentary(!) attempt at including the recruitment zones for units. Many thanks to blacksnail and Teleklos Archelaou for kindly providing me with a blank map of the regions.

As you can see it is very much work in progress. At this point I just want to see whether people think the map is detailed enough to make out the regions. I believe that I can zoom in for most of the units as they are generally restricted to one area of the map, so I might play around with that as well.

Let me know what you think (and don't worry about the jaggedness and the awful colours - that will definitely change).

Wow, that would be even more seemed-impossible loads of research and toil...I must salute you, Arkatreides! :balloon2: :balloon2: (and EB too, of course:applause:)

:study: now lets start web-gazing these beauties once again :study:

Another version of the same thing. This one has the water removed and blends in more with the background.

https://img145.imageshack.us/img145/...od2bjl6.th.jpg

A very nice idea to remove all the blue areas and let the background for the culture type bleed through. :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Arkatreides

And now for something completly different: CARD BACKS

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Arkatreides, I just wanted to let you know that you are a hero.
All russian bears are going to wear t-shirts with your holy name on it.

Now, a humble request - spendonetai and thureophoroi maps ASAP?
PLEASE!!!

P.S.: second version looks even better

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Originally Posted by dofod

Wow, that would be even more seemed-impossible loads of research and toil...I must salute you, Arkatreides! :balloon2: :balloon2: (and EB too, of course:applause:)

:study: now lets start web-gazing these beauties once again :study:

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It is a lot of work, but a lot of it is facilitated by the way I parse the EDU. I wrote a little Python program that runs through the EDU and presents me with the most relevant information. Here is a little snippet of the output the code generates and as you can see it is in a much more compact form than the EDU. It's still very rudimentary but it allows me to work much faster than looking at the EDU would (and it also does nifty things like differentiate between range and melee attacks and adds up the defense).

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  infantry  Scortamareva  80 men,  518 mnai
  javelin:  6 ( 4) R: 47    prec, thrown
    spear: 11+ 4 (0.130)    no
  Defense: 22( 9, 9, 4) M:1.150 Morale:13
Attributes: hide_improved_forest  hide_long_grass  very_hardy
Factions: __________________Lu________________________________________
 
  infantry  Mercenary Scortamareva  80 men,  518 mnai
  javelin:  6 ( 4) R: 47    prec, thrown
    spear: 11+ 4 (0.130)    no
  Defense: 22( 9, 9, 4) M:1.150 Morale:13
Attributes: hide_improved_forest  hide_long_grass  very_hardy  mercenary_unit
Factions: ___Ca_Ae_Ar_______Lu_Ka_____________________________________
 
  infantry  Ambakaro  60 men,  676 mnai
  javelin:  6 ( 4) R: 63    prec, thrown
    sword: 12+ 6 (0.100)    ap
  Defense: 23(10,10, 3) M:1.400 Morale:20
Attributes: hide_improved_forest  hide_long_grass  very_hardy
Factions: __________________Lu________________________________________
 
  cavalry  Ambakaro Epones  50 men, 1004 mnai
  javelin:  5 ( 4) R: 58    thrown
    sword: 11+15 (0.100)    ap
  Defense: 22( 9,10, 3) M:1.000 Morale:20
Attributes: hide_improved_forest  very_hardy  wedge
Factions: __________________Lu________________________________________
 
  infantry  Phyletichoi Illyrioi 120 men,  224 mnai
    spear:  9+ 2 (0.125)    no
      none:  0+ 0 (0.100)    no
  Defense: 15( 2, 9, 4) M:0.950 Morale: 8  >>
Attributes: hide_improved_forest  hardy
Factions: ___________________________Ep_______________________________
 
  infantry  Illyrioi Thorakitai 100 men,  502 mnai
  javelin:  7 ( 3) R: 37    prec, thrown
    spear: 12+ 4 (0.130)    no
  Defense: 24(12, 9, 3) M:1.200 Morale:13  >>
Attributes: hardy
Factions: ___________________________Ep_______________________________
 
  infantry  Illyrioi Thureophoroi  80 men,  329 mnai
  javelin:  5 ( 3) R: 45    prec, thrown
    spear: 11+ 3 (0.130)    no
  Defense: 21(10, 8, 3) M:1.100 Morale:11  >>
Attributes: hardy
Factions: ___________________________Ep_______________________________

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Arkatreides, I just wanted to let you know that you are a hero.
All russian bears are going to wear t-shirts with your holy name on it.

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ROFL!!! I will bear that in mind! Thanks for the praise!

After some tinkering with the map, this is what I will (probably) go with:

https://img65.imageshack.us/img65/5097/morezr5.jpg

The card backs will include the faction icons if the unit can be recruited in a faction MIC belonging to that culture. There is adequate space for three icons at the bottom left (in Africa) and most cultures (except Barbarian) have at most 3 factions so this will work just fine. The Barbarian faction is special but at least it can be easily subdivided into Celtic and 'other'.

For regional units however, there simply is not enough space to include all the factions, so that will have to be left out. If a unit IS available in a regional faction, it will receive an icon somewhere, so that you can use that information and the region information to make an educated guess of whether a unit is recruitable.

This will hopefully make more sense once I have more card backs up.

DUDE!!!

you da man

this is exactly what Ive been waiting/hoping for

:2thumbsup:

edit: the spartan one is a little hard to see even with it zoomed up, maybe a darker colour like the Makedonian faction map colour??

dunno ignore me if Im full of it

Perhaps if a unit is available in a very small area (like the spartans) you could have only a section of the map on the card (like greece for this example) in higher resolution.

This might be handy in europe, where there are lots of fairly small provinces, and the units probably wont be available outside europe (roman legionaries are the exception that instantly springs to mind...).

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Originally Posted by Kugutsu

Perhaps if a unit is available in a very small area (like the spartans) you could have only a section of the map on the card (like greece for this example) in higher resolution.

This might be handy in europe, where there are lots of fairly small provinces, and the units probably wont be available outside europe (roman legionaries are the exception that instantly springs to mind...).

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Yes, I am thinking about that too. I am not quite sure how it will work out though, because some units that are 'Greek' in nature do spread quite far (e.g. Akontistai can pretty much be found everywhere where there has ever been a Greek guy on holiday!)

Either way, I need to do a LOT more research before I get some of the units up. These two have been just a little preview of what is to come. The Spartans were straightforward, and I happen to be playing a Baktrian campaign at the moment.

That zoomed in stuff is much more time consuming though, but it's all up to what Arky wants to do really.

Here is some more mapping goodness from my Baktrian campaign. Note that the Pantodapoi Phalangitai is still work in progress as I have not conquered all the regions where it is likely to pop up yet. The others should be complete.

https://img68.imageshack.us/img68/45...triacb1.th.jpg

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Originally Posted by Arkatreides

Here is some more mapping goodness from my Baktrian campaign. Note that the Pantodapoi Phalangitai is still work in progress as I have not conquered all the regions where it is likely to pop up yet. The others should be complete.

https://img68.imageshack.us/img68/45...triacb1.th.jpg

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Just a heads up that there will be some map changes in the next release of EB (i.e a few new provinces). So far your work has not been "wasted" since these far eastern zones aren't affected. But we need to talk before you go much further (we *really* don't want you having to rework things unless it's totally unavoidable).

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Originally Posted by Arkatreides

Here is some more mapping goodness from my Baktrian campaign. Note that the Pantodapoi Phalangitai is still work in progress as I have not conquered all the regions where it is likely to pop up yet. The others should be complete.

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Well, what I've seen in my Seleukeia Campaign is that you can build Pantodapoi Phalangitai everywhere beetween Anatolia and the regions you have shown (including Anatolia). But I really had no idea that you can build Pantodapoi Phalangitai in Memphis, I thought that in Egypt only Machimoi Phalangitai can be recruited when you're playing the Ptolemies.

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Originally Posted by Basileus Seleukeia

Well, what I've seen in my Seleukeia Campaign is that you can build Pantodapoi Phalangitai everywhere beetween Anatolia and the regions you have shown (including Anatolia). But I really had no idea that you can build Pantodapoi Phalangitai in Memphis, I thought that in Egypt only Machimoi Phalangitai can be recruited when you're playing the Ptolemies.

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I tested this with the Baktrians, and since both Baktria and the Seleucids share the Pantodapoi Phalangitai, I 'assumed' both could recruit them in the same regions (hence the two factional icons on the back of the card). The Ptolemies cannot recruit Pantodapoi Phalangitai (ever), so you would not see the unit in Memphis playing as Egypt.

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Originally Posted by Kull

Just a heads up that there will be some map changes in the next release of EB (i.e a few new provinces). So far your work has not been "wasted" since these far eastern zones aren't affected. But we need to talk before you go much further (we *really* don't want you having to rework things unless it's totally unavoidable).

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We have the whatthehell? Kull, see the relevant thread in EBH, maybe you could shed some light on my latest rants there.

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Originally Posted by Arkatreides

I tested this with the Baktrians, and since both Baktria and the Seleucids share the Pantodapoi Phalangitai, I 'assumed' both could recruit them in the same regions (hence the two factional icons on the back of the card). The Ptolemies cannot recruit Pantodapoi Phalangitai (ever), so you would not see the unit in Memphis playing as Egypt.

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Somehow I have the feeling people don't read my posts well. When I said I was surprised that you can build Pantodapoi Phalangitai in Memphis I was surprised because I did not think that AS and BAKTRIA and PONTUS could build them there. I'm not a newbie to EB, I do know that I cant build Pantodapoi Phalangitai as Ptolemies.

There's an error in the Chaucii Warband unit card. They have 100 men in-game, not 120.

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Originally Posted by ElectricEel

There's an error in the Chaucii Warband unit card. They have 100 men in-game, not 120.

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Thanks!

Mmm, I noticed your Aedui/Arverni unit cards are missing out the Cingetos and the Arjos. [EDIT] Okay, I found the Galatian and Thraikian units.

Is it supposed to be Habukoz-Swaiut, or Habuko-z Swaiut as you spell it (twice) in the unit card? Something I noticed.

Mm, the unit cards are turning out really nicely, I'm backing them on my multitudes of old Magic the Gathering cards and they are looking really good, apart from the fact that all the cards were printed out about 30% smaller than said Magic cards. All that needs to be done now is wait for the completion of the Arverni/Aedui/Casse factional units and regional units (Remi Mairepos, Leuce Epos, Taramonnos, Cidainh, the sort) and the addition of the Lusotana, and we should be pretty much set to party! (I'm particularly looking forward to seeing the Dosidataskeli in the collection.)

The recruitment zones can come later, I'm reaaaaally looking forward to those! For the record, I love you, Arkatreides!

Are you going to do one for the mercenary units, too? It'd be useful to know the stats of things like the Toxotai Kretikoi and the Balearic Slingers...

And boats... Don't forget the boats ;)


Cheers...

I noticed another error: The camillan Equites Romani have 'Polybian Roman Citizen Cavalry' as their english name, rather than 'Camillan Roman Citizen Cavalry'.