Animal Fight!

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

Some here seem to have watched King Kong a few too many times :laugh4:

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King Kong only eats airplanes, not tigers ~:)

The original bet was gorilla vs lion. Both male, both healthy, both having a reason to fight. No hunting or ambush scenarios, no scare or surprise factors.

A tiger is a slightly different case I think. I wouldn't declare him victor 10 out of 10, but a big tiger is nastier than a lion.

A chimp is much smaller than me, yet his arms are 50 times stronger than that of an adult male human (I guess the muscle fibre is more powerful per volume). I'm not small, yet I feel like a dwarf when comparing my volume with a gorilla. If he has the same tough fibres as a chimp (ough). And they are strong. Add to that their bite (that's underestimated), and the lion will need a lot of luck to deal with that. Lions hunting the weak do not score 100%, far from. This gorilla is not weak. So, how can we be so sure the lion will beat the gorilla?

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King Kong only eats airplanes, not tigers

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Only after he is captured and brought here. Watch the movie again :laugh4:

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The original bet was gorilla vs lion. Both male, both healthy, both having a reason to fight. No hunting or ambush scenarios, no scare or surprise factors.

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I think all would have to agree that in such a scenario you could not pick a winner as it would depend on the individual animals fighting and a fair amount of luck. Id say the odds are even.

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A tiger is a slightly different case I think. I wouldn't declare him victor 10 out of 10, but a big tiger is nastier than a lion.

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Thats why I upped the anti. I wanted a clear winner.

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

Unlike us who hunt for sport and take out the fit in many cases. No fun in hunting the young, the small and the sick for us.

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True. And what the lions do is good for nature (take out the sick to prevent epidemias, take out the weak so only the strong produce offspring).

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By the way has it occured to any of you that the Elephant is the real king of beasts with maybe the Rhino coming in a clsoe 2nd? Big and bad as they are I cant see any cat taking on a full grown male african elephant or big Rhino. Or anything else messing with them either.

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Very dangerous animals indeed. But what about the small ones like (fire)ants and killerbees? The elephant is out there in Africa, the other critters are after us (to put it boldly).

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

Only after he is captured and brought here. Watch the movie again :laugh4:

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Don't tell others please, apart from some well known bits, I've never seen the movie.

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I think all would have to agree that in such a scenario you could not pick a winner as it would depend on the individual animals fighting and a fair amount of luck. Id say the odds are even.

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I agree, anything can happen. But if I had to make a choice: the gorilla.

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Thats why I upped the anti. I wanted a clear winner.

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More likely to win than a lion is not the same as a clear winner. :)

Leopard vs Baboon

Not what you expect.

But notice how easily even a young leopard can kill a baboon. Leopard vs chimp probably would be more like lion vs gorilla though. The one thing you seem to keep forgetting is that all cats are designed with primarily one thing in mind and that is to kill. Its their whole purpose for living. They do it for fun.

Gorillas pah! Tigers phht!

These guys will pwn them all.

Don't click if of a nervous disposition!

Not one on one they wont

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Originally Posted by Gawain

The Bengal Tiger--By far the most impressive of the Big Cats, the Bengal tiger easily overwhelms other creatures close to its kin, moving easily into the BACMT after winning the Baddest Big Cat Cage Match Tournament (BBCCMT) running away. The lion is a pathetic pretender, massively outsized and outworked by the fearsome tiger. Leopards can climb trees, but they're simply too small. These beasts can get up to 12 feet long and 600 pounds. But their advantages are speed and stealth; they can approach in silence and then WHAM! Once the claws are in, it's going to be tough to get away. But can they deal with the sheer bulk of the elephant and the fierceness of the shark? No way. No freakin' way.

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Actually the largest and most powerful tiger (and by extension, of all cats) is the Siberian tiger. But they're almost extinct :sad:

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Actually the largest and most powerful tiger (and by extension, of all cats) is the Siberian tiger. But they're almost extinct

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You must have missed my earlier post

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On average, male Siberian Tigers weigh about 300 kilograms (660 lb) [1] and female Amurs weigh about 160 kilograms (350 lb). However, males can weigh as much as 350 kilograms (800 lb), the largest documented wild Siberian Tiger weighing 384 kg (845 lbs). At these sizes, the Siberian Tiger is the largest natural creature of the cat family, a title it may share with the most northern living Bengal tigers. This, however, is not as large as the liger, a panthera hybrid only found in captivity. The largest captive Siberian Tiger was 3.9 metres (13 ft) long and weighed over 423 kilograms (932 lb). Apart from its size, the Siberian Tiger is differentiated from other tiger subspecies by its paler fur and dark brown (rather than black) stripes. As well as colour their fur is thicker and longer to keep them warm in the freezing temperatures of their habitat. Siberian Tigers also have larger feet than most other sub-species to facilitate movement through snow.

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Our latest argument at work is about a T-Rex versus a Triceratops. In an even fight face on, I say Triceratops wins hands down. The T-Rex is slow, unbalanced, has an unprehensile tail, and can't see. Plus his belly is vulnerable to goring and any good knock might throw him off balance.

Well I would say that Triceratops were designed or shall we say evolved to protect itself from predators such as T-Rex . However seeing as Triceratops was a staple dies of T-Rex i dont see how there can be any question as to who usually won. But just like most other examples here it would probably come down to the specific individuals picked to fight and luck. You would have to call it a draw. Again T-Rex like most predators didnt attack mature healthy animals unless it was desperate.

If the T-rex would attack on, I imagine the triceratops would easily disembowel him. Other than that...

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Given that, the fact that gorillas traditionally fight eachother, and this:

[image of gorilla mouth]

I would have to say gorilla.

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Well, that's not very wide open I'd say, he may get problems to bite the lion/tiger in certain areas.

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

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Because dew claws are placed high on the limb they do not suffer wear from contact with the ground. This means they become particularly long and sharp, very useful for holding prey.

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I thought all cats can retract their claws which is what enables them to sneak in the first place?
Do they not retract them normally?

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Originally Posted by TosaInu

Pussycat jaws are made to bite soft meat, gorillas bite off bamboo.

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The jaguar has developed an exceptionally powerful bite, even relative to the other big cats. This allows it to pierce the shells of armoured reptiles and to employ an unusual killing method: it bites directly through the skull of prey between the ears to deliver a fatal blow to the brain.

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And since cats kill their smaller prey by breaking the neck, I wouldn't say their bite is useless or so, at least they can open their mouth further and will have an easier time to bite at all.

One of the best and most flexible jaws is that of big anacondas and similar snakes, it's always amazing when they swallow a complete goat or an alligator. And their killing technique is very effective as well once they got their prey in the right position, don't know whether a gorilla is strong enough to get out of their grip.

Concerning the dinosaurs, I guess it also depends on the circumstances of the fight, if a T-Rex really was that badly balanced, then he was a really bad predator and I have heard the theory that they just ate dead flesh anyway because their body was not made for hunting, IIRC it was something about the position and strength of their bones etc.

And insects who get into my way usually die, I'm actually kind of a supporter of insect genocide as long as we leave enough for the birds and other predators and well, honey bees and a few others aren't really bad, but those small fleas and mosquitos are getting on my nerves.

I think we've learned now that T-rex was in fact a scavenger, not a hunter. All those Jurassic Park movies are outdated fluff.

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I thought all cats can retract their claws which is what enables them to sneak in the first place?

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Well think again. Cheetahs for instance i dont believe can retract them. Besides the point is well the point :) Their very long and sharp and if your kitty has ever cut you you can imagine what a tigers claw would do. It will disembowel you in a single stroke

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

Leopard vs Baboon

Not what you expect.

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The weak overpowering the strong.

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Originally Posted by Husar

Well, that's not very wide open I'd say, he may get problems to bite the lion/tiger in certain areas.

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He doesn't seem to have the build to reach the spine using his yaws like cats try to do.

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And since cats kill their smaller prey by breaking the neck, I wouldn't say their bite is useless or so, at least they can open their mouth further and will have an easier time to bite at all.

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I don't want mine in either yaw. The bite of a gorilla (like this) is more powerful than that of an adult leopard.

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One of the best and most flexible jaws is that of big anacondas and similar snakes, it's always amazing when they swallow a complete goat or an alligator.

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Yes, it is. Yesterday I saw the prey coming back out again, so the snake could get away faster. A pity, as that duck was a years meal for him.

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And their killing technique is very effective as well once they got their prey in the right position, don't know whether a gorilla is strong enough to get out of their grip.

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Depends on the size. A 5 m anaconda weighs around 100 kg afaik. That's a lot of muscles. Their technique is also economic: they don't fight agains the force, they just contract a bit more when the victim exhales, reducing the longvolume of the victim bit by bit.

@Husar: hm, I thought a lot of the cats used thier jaws to suffocate the victims, not to break their necks. It requires far less jaw strength. For instance the tiger and lynx are supposed to suffocate the prey IIRC. Dunno about the other kittys.

Little monkey taunts tiger: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1AZn5nWIj_g

Longer version but edited and with lower image quality: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7czjUfnc...elated&search=

(hope it hasn't been posted before)

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Originally Posted by LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix

@Husar: hm, I thought a lot of the cats used thier jaws to suffocate the victims, not to break their necks. It requires far less jaw strength. For instance the tiger and lynx are supposed to suffocate the prey IIRC. Dunno about the other kittys.

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Hello LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix,

Depends on the prey and the opportunities. They are interested in food, not in gaining points for some style competition. A lynx doesn't need to suffocate the mice/squirels he catches.

Squeezing the airduct is a way, drilling their large teeth into the spine of the victim, tackling the prey on the run (and thus it breaking its back), taking down the prey due to the shock of the impact of body or claws, a combination or even eating alive are other methods.


Despite this array, preys get away or are only taken down after quite some efforts.

Louis VI the Fat posted a buffalo vs lions vs crocs movie in another topic http://www.break.com/index/a-brawl-in-the-safari.html

The buffalo calf was still alive and walked away after all that happened. It would be lost in the end without this overwhelming help, just a bit surprising it could still walk away.

Apart from other ferocious live and death struggles between lion and prey that can last hours, people have survived serious lion attacks too. There was a parkguard who had to close a gate at the end of the day and biked alone in the dark. He heard lions closing in and they attacked him. He was badly wounded and the lions started eating. Suddenly another man with a gun showed up in a car and managed to rout the lions. It probably shouldn't be another minute, but the whole pack didn't instagib the man (National Geographic show?).

lol

A dangerous game with those cubs.

lol

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Squeezing the airduct is a way, drilling their large teeth into the spine of the victim, tackling the prey on the run (and thus it breaking its back), taking down the prey due to the shock of the impact of body or claws, a combination or even eating alive are other methods.

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Another favorite method is Disembowelment using the hind legs. Grab a cat by the throat somtime and see what it does. Them hind legs well tear you a new one.

Hello Gawain of Orkeny,

One of our cats did exactly that. One moment she was cute, a splitsecond later she rolled over, clenched the hand using arms and mouth and kicked using the hind. She chased a mastino because he was bugging the pet rabbid (rabbid was also her buddy). She walked to the dog like everything was cool, a swift strike and the dog routed.

Her brother was more a stoic. Both were hairpulling stubborn at times, great animals.