Assassin mafia (ultra mini game)

That is interesting, GH. If this game is decided by lynching, the assassin can never win indeed. The guards and king will always outnumber the single assassin.

However, the assassin can win by killing, by guessing the king. He might even take a lucky shot, based on an educated guess, when pushed. At 2:1, the king and last guard are certain they will lynch the assassin. But the assassin now has a 50% chance.* This is the risk with the plan. The fewer we are, the better the chance for the assassin, and the more he can relate known roles with voting patterns.

If we are going to do your plan, then I think it should be on a voluntary basis. A kind of reverse 'I am Spartacus, no I am'. People now step to the fore proclaiming they aren't the king. If somebody steps to the fore, proclaiming he is a guard, then the others should accept the offer so as not to confuse matters or give the assassin any leads. As for your current offer, you're either a supreme bluffer or of very noble character.

But, I think we should wait with this a bit. Not necessarily until next round, but we could try to reach a majority on a suspect. If we are going to lynch someone, we might as well take an educated guess at the assassin. If we get it right, we've won. If we don't, we've achieved our goal of limiting our numbers anyway. The risk is, that our behaviour could give clues about the identity of the king.

Am I correct, am I overlooking something? What do the others think?


*Sasaki: imagine that the last guard and king lynch the assassin, and the assassin kills the right person, the king. will the winner be decided by whomever posts fastest?

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I volunteer to be the first victim to prove my trustworthiness.

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That's scummy.

I think it's Louis or GH.

But for now, I stick to my vote.

Where are Omanes and Dutch_guy?

I'm here, I was going to post an analysis, but I lost it all when my PC refused to un-hibernate correctly. I'll do it at another time.

BTW, I'll be busy today, so I may not be able to get on-line too frequently. Sorry.

Perhaps, instead of posting a long list of scummy activities, you can just give us the name(s) of the person(s) who appear the most likely to be the assassin.

I think it's one of Louis, Andres or GH

Louis is acting innocently, too innocently. I see no dangerous actions or anything similar from him. This demonstrates that he is hiding something very well. Townies are often much more careless. As a final note on this character, I must say that his accusation regarding the deciding vote wasn't very well founded. I was away, inactive, watching a theatre production, not sitting at my PC deciding.

Andres is active, a little too active for my liking. Is he trying to find the assasin or the king through his discussion creating? It concerns me which way he is trying to turn this game, but, he at least seems to have some resemblance of his normal playing style. Definitely the least suspitious of the above suspects.

GH is obsessed with reading through and checking every post at the moment. This doesn't seem normal, but, then again, I haven't played with him recently, so perhaps his style has changed? Also there was his offer of sacrifice - isn't that scummy?

Since Louis' suspicion has slightly more clarity with less of an excuse for it's existence:
Vote: Louis IV the Fat

If we don't get the assasin through him, I suggest we target GH next round.

Well, guys, if you think his offer of sacrifice is scummy, then take him up on it.
Lynch GH if he wants to be.

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Originally Posted by Warmaster Horus

Well, guys, if you think his offer of sacrifice is scummy, then take him up on it.
Lynch GH if he wants to be.

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GH's offer is scummy, but Louis' overall behaviour seems scummier to me.

I wonder what the General himself has to say. And where's Dutch_guy? :inquisitive:

I don't know guys, I don't like Andres' posts one bit.

This round he voted Omanes, and didn't give a reason for doing so. He merely went with what I said earlier, only re enforcing it with a vote.

Then he immediately switched to Louis:

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Louis has limited himself to stating the obvious followed by a wee bit too exaggerated attitude of "Hey, I don't really care, oh, I'm soooo not-mafia, look at me, I'm soooo innocent...".

I'll stick to this vote, Louis, unless something really, really obvious points in the direction of another player.

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Which was the main reason GeneralH actually stated he trusted Louis. Now, obviously both of them aren't conspiring together so it's just a matter of whom you trust. For now, I'm leaning to GenH's opinion of Louis.

Also,

I'll stick to this vote, Louis, unless something really, really obvious points in the direction of another player

I don't like that line at all. What do you want, a confession ? Which really obvious points do you need ?

Vote:Andres.

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

I don't like that line at all. What do you want, a confession ? Which really obvious points do you need ?

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A second vote on the King?

Don't you think that at least a couple of guards are going to vote the King to obscure him from the assasin.

BTW, I've turned invisibility off.

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Originally Posted by rules

When the assassin is lynched he gets to make one kill, if successful he wins the game even though he will be killed...it's a suicide mission.

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Also, please keep the vote counts up to date, remember it's 3 to lynch.

Ooohh, this game is driving me mad. Every time I think I've figured someone out, I find a reason to assume they're innocent.

I'm still trying to figure out a trap. Alas, last night in bed I saw were I screwed up in the previous round. If I had been a bit more clever, we could've used last round's voting system to find out the assassin. But we needed six votes for that, not five. :embarassed:

Thinking about a new trap, we are with five left alive:
Warmaster is dead, a guard. Alive: Andres, Dutch_Guy, General, Louis, Omanes.
All know their own roles. The king and assassin only know their own role.
Three guards know who the king is also.

The three guards could prove their innocence by naming one, two or three non-kings. But I can't figure out a way of doing that without revealing the king to the assassin. Is there a way to put the information advantage of the guards to use?


Tally so far, just to be clear:

Louis - 2 (Andres, Omanes)
Andres - 1 (Dutch-Guy)

Hmmm...

Talk by voting.

How about putting one vote on every player and see what happens?

The King knows he is King. The guards know who is King. Only the assassin doesn't know who is King. He'll put the wrong vote eventually.

Unvote; Vote : Dutch_guy

Louis - 1 (Omanes)
Andres - 1 (Dutch_guy)
Dutch_guy - 1 (Andres)

There are other ways of trickery, but they cannot be operated without the knowledge of some. This will result in the assasin knowing too creating an absolute failure.

BTW, Andres, so will the guards to hide the King from view, if they don't vote for the king then we will see who the assasin is aright, but not after he's taken the King out - bear that in mind, you can't just base it upon "wrong" votes.

Also, although you are generally normal, why are you practically telling the assasin where to look. The mafia will know that, if you vote for somebody after they make a vote on a player already with a vote, that the original target is the King based upon your previous notes. Unless you are going to be more subtle in your methods.

-not playing-

Twisted my ankle today so I won't be able to get on that much.

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How about putting one vote on every player and see what happens?

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Sounds good.

Vote: Omanes

Louis - 1 (Omanes)
Andres - 1 (Dutch_guy)
Dutch_guy - 1 (Andres)
Omanes - 1 (GH)

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

-not playing-

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wth?

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Originally Posted by Andres

How about putting one vote on every player and see what happens?

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So is that what they call retaliation voting these days ? :wink:

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Hmmm...

Talk by voting.

How about putting one vote on every player and see what happens?

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Then what though? Kill the guy who puts a second vote on the king? That sounds good in theory, but might lead to the three guards pressuring each other to vote a non-king to prove their innocence, while the assassin with each correct vote can do away with one less candidate for the identity of the king.

I wil be gone till monday. Take your time.

Andres, if your tactic are honest, I doubt that they will work the way you want them to - they may even work in an intelligent assassin's favour. The guards will have to place a vote on the king to obscure him. If somebody casts a second vote, then the assasin will know its not upon the King. This will enable him to work out that the player who has two votes is most likely not a member of Royalty. This will slowly allow the assasin to tactically build up a picture of who they think is the king and combine with that evidence. The combination will not be very positive for the town. Unless your intentions are something more sly and tactical than they seem, I don't think that they will work.

On the other hand, which is the bias which I am beginning to believe, you are doing exactly the same as above, but for your own personal gain - to flush out the king using the same method as previously mentioned. Louis' is now a target to be left for the future should Andres be innocent. Andres is showing terrifying mafia/pro-mafia activities.

Unvote: Louis IV the Fat; Vote: Andres

Andres - 2 (Dutch_guy, Omanes)
Dutch_guy - 1 (Andres)
Omanes - 1 (GH)

We'll need to take some sort of risk if we want to end this game one way or another...

I agree that risks must be taken, but the size of these risks has to be as small as possible.

Hmmm...

I agree we can keep the King alive by ignoring this game, but aren't we supposed to find the assassin? Don't see how we will reach that goal by, eh, no longer posting in the thread...

Pity Crazed Rabbit isn't here... That would give us a certainty.

I say lynch GH. He wants it.
I say it, so this game can move. It needs to.

We'll have to move this game forward at some point. It is just that, I really don't know who the assassin is. I simply don't have a clue. ~:confused:


I'll follow WH's advice, and place a vote on GH.

Vote GeneralHandkerchief.

Andres - 2 (Dutch_guy, Omanes)
Dutch_guy - 1 (Andres)
Omanes - 1 (GH)
GeneralH - 1 (Louis)

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We'll have to move this game forward at some point. It is just that, I really don't know who the assassin is. I simply don't have a clue.

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I'm sorry, that just sounds really scummy to me.

Unvote: Omanes
Vote: Louis VI

Andres - 2 (Dutch_guy, Omanes)
Dutch_guy - 1 (Andres)
Louis - 1 (GH)
GeneralH - 1 (Louis)

This round has to end at some point guys. I strongly reccomend you get Andres. His previous narrowing down tactic was engineered to work for his own benefit rather than the town's. If it was honest, which I deeply doubt, that it really was a bad move.

Unvote ; Vote : Louis

Andres - 2 (Dutch_guy, Omanes)
Louis - 2 (GH, Andres)
GeneralH - 1 (Louis)

Lynch Louis.

The fact that GH had been willing to put himself on the firing lines points more to being a guard or the king than being an assassin.

Désolé, mon ami.