Re: Whites are Smarter than Blacks
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Originally Posted by Moros
Anyway, I think most of it is culture and enviroment, really. For example someone mentioned that there were a lot of Jewish scientists and intellectuals, however that has more to do with jewish education than anything else IMO. Jews learn everything the average western kid learns in school plus a few more hours everyday about Jewish subjects (Tora,...). They spend much more time in school when young, which makes them physically not that great, but they have to learn paying attention longer and learn to learn more and at a younger age.
Most of those "Jewish" achievements are done by those in the Diaspora still, so to speak.
Being forced to rote-learn a bit more than Western kids, I'm sure, isn't the secret key to the apparently miraculous Jewish success stories.
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Originally Posted by Moros
Everybody says Asians are damn smart... Well, asians spend much more time in front of their cpu's and have a really different school enviroment ( a lot more computerized dunno of this is good or bad). And if we look at the results of Koreans (South) and Japanese we see verry good results. Being the number one and two of the world. However if we got to china, India,... we don't see this.
Does this mean Asian are stupid, no. It must mean it ain't genetics.
Actually...
Japanese schools are much less computerized than the USA's, and Chinese kids on average rank higher than Japanese kids in math. While I'm quite certain the Asian method of rote-learning -- essentially the same sit back and listen to the lecture style that the West abandoned en mass during the 60's onwards -- has its advantages but as someone who used to do that kind of stuff myself I assure you I think it is mostly pointless. In fact the Asians themselves are quite enamoured by "advanced" Western education systems where critical thinking plays the central role in place of memorization and recall. Critical thinking just happens to not be very critical or very thinking in practice. :sweatdrop:
In education the grass is always greener on the other side really. Human education essentially sucks everywhere and don't let the capitalists lie to you but I still think the richest can still afford the very best education, even if there's no longer something of a monopoly of knowledge like in the Medieval past. Thank God for Gutenberg and all or was it the other way around?
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Originally Posted by Moros
Blacks aren't stupid either. However they are moree prune to less education. And education gives higher IQ values and helps developping the brains and education will help you solve problems more easily. Why are they physically stronger? That's simple, they tend to sport more, those who still are in Africa are usually hardened as they have a tough life and over there it's still a bit the survival of the fittest.
Anecdote-wise I don't really see blacks as in anyway inferior in intelligence to other "races" in my opinion. Sure the AP classes are all Asian-dominated but so what? Those kinds of classes tend to be taken by students who are motivated to succeed anyway -- and motivation is very much nurture vs nature.
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Basically I think Papewaio raises a very interesting point where first- and second-generation immigrants generally tend to seek to succeed more than third-generation and onwards. That would explain the perception of "foreigners being smarter than the natives" that is just about universal really when you go deep into it. Why? I think it's because the process of integrating oneself into another society -- heck, from the very beginning to make that decision in the first place -- requires at least some willpower a suburbia-from-birth kind of person doesn't necessarily has to go through. You have to start from (most of the time) literally zero and you're going up the ladder to up there. When you try to go up and up like that by most modern measurements of intelligence your actions and your results would simply pronounce you "smart."
That and I remembered something about bi-lingual+ people getting an [brain processing? lol] advantage over mono-lingual people all things equal, and being a first-generation immigrant almost always equals at least bi-lingual capability or the need to develop one.
Of course, that I'm a first-generation immigrant has nothing to do with it. :clown:
Also, I reiterate my point that using the vague skin colour basis to differ people even in stuff like IQ survey is in my opinion missing the point again. I'm sure the specific scholars (what do you call them specialists about the human genome demographic/history anyway?) will be able to make a much more elaborate and erudite argument than I can; sure there are groups and there are genetic variances between groups and skin color can be a very useful factor in determining at glance a person's group. However, to focus on "race" is to focus on skin color alone instead of the whole genetic picture and that particular arbitration is at best crude and at worst downright, well, racist, in trying to figure out the questions like the different genes we have.
Re: Whites are Smarter than Blacks
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Originally Posted by AntiochusIII
Most of those "Jewish" achievements are done by those in the Diaspora still, so to speak.
Being forced to rote-learn a bit more than Western kids, I'm sure, isn't the secret key to the apparently miraculous Jewish success stories.
Actually...
yes it is and miraculous is a bit much.
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Japanese schools are much less computerized than the USA's, and Chinese kids on average rank higher than Japanese kids in math. While I'm quite certain the Asian method of rote-learning -- essentially the same sit back and listen to the lecture style that the West abandoned en mass during the 60's onwards -- has its advantages but as someone who used to do that kind of stuff myself I assure you I think it is mostly pointless. In fact the Asians themselves are quite enamoured by "advanced" Western education systems where critical thinking plays the central role in place of memorization and recall. Critical thinking just happens to not be very critical or very thinking in practice. :sweatdrop:
I've seen different thing tough... Also that test they always do to measure the average capabilities of the average student in a whole lot of countries seem to contradict you. The Japanese had the highest score. Seconded by the Koreans. (I'll see if I can find it somewhere is going to be hard. The last time I searched for it (it was about education and intelligence) it took me damn long to find it again.))
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In education the grass is always greener on the other side really. Human education essentially sucks everywhere and don't let the capitalists lie to you but I still think the richest can still afford the very best education, even if there's no longer something of a monopoly of knowledge like in the Medieval past. Thank God for Gutenberg and all or was it the other way around?
Anecdote-wise I don't really see blacks as in anyway inferior in intelligence to other "races" in my opinion. Sure the AP classes are all Asian-dominated but so what? Those kinds of classes tend to be taken by students who are motivated to succeed anyway -- and motivation is very much nurture vs nature.
The richest...? Since when did the Americans have decent education? :clown: ~;)
Re: Whites are Smarter than Blacks
DIASPORA IS NOT JUST AN EIGHT LETTER WORD.
it means the most capable peoples LEAVE their land in search of opportunity.
Let's not be surprised that the american jews are so smart, or that the asians are so smart. they are the recent wave of immigrants compared to the irish english blacks mexicans pr what have you. they are there for the post industrial age where IQ or IQ equivalents rule. they are there to make their lives better, they will have better economies, better drives. compare their IQs in their home countries! those of the same nationailities in america fare better, and it is not a coincidence.
Re: Whites are Smarter than Blacks
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Originally Posted by Moros
The richest...? Since when did the Americans have decent education? :clown: ~;)
Hence "richest." Most American ain't rich, buddy. We [they? I'm not exactly fully American] have to put up with public education most of the time like everybody else. :2thumbsup:
Just those few Philips Academy snobs that get the best stuff. Bastards :/
Kuni: I'm aware of that, hence my specific reference to "Diaspora" Jews. To use a more modern term (the one they use in propaganda for Asian countries to excuse government failure and underdeveloped economy ~;) ) one would call it a "brain drain." People move to the richer countries in search of better opportunity, said rich countries open their arms smiling because everyone except Kim Jong-Il likes skilled workers. Natives got their idea "oh wow these nekkomegane are really smart >.<" from the disproportionate number of slightly more motivated people which are not native.
...and I'm completely generalizing here and waiting for someone to tell me I'm wrong right from the beginning. :clown:
Re: Whites are Smarter than Blacks
i think it is true to say that more than a few (read: quite a lot) of the irsh, english, scottish, and welsh who went to america where the dregs of their respective society who had failed and where effectively deported on work contracts to pay off debts.
this is not to say i disagree at all with the idea that america has benefited from bright people seeking opportunity unavailable in their native land.
Re: Whites are Smarter than Blacks
What black people may lack in intellect, they certainly more than make up for in athletic ability. Blacks are physically much stronger than whites.
