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I certainly did not see your post as a complaint in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul
Yes next time it wont even be close, so they better prepare for the sour taste of defeat. :beam:Quote:
We'll do better next time. Watching replays helps to understand the large battles' dynamics
CBR
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Originally Posted by CBR
I went to look at it this morning to see what it was I saw that made me think that charge would succeed. I saw or thought I saw something at that particular moment, and remember at the time being in surprised disbelief, when it did not. It seemed at the time that the counter came from nowhere. Perhaps concealed by trees, or hidden from view by the hill it’s self?
Well, I was so despondent over my mistaken assessment, that I did not save the replay. I remember when the opportunity came up to do so, saying to myself, “ I don’t believe that happened”! And thinking that it was something I didn’t want to ever see again, neglected the save.
Now I do want to see what happened…lol
:dizzy2:
Tomisama Check out the replays that Yuuki has posted in the MP Replays sticky. :idea2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomisama
Thanks Jochi :smile:
Posible reason for our whole army attacks (from sts 4v4 41 replay).
https://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k...a/stw4v441.jpg
If Warman's yari comming over the hill (not yet visable) had not intercepted our cavalry, we may have closed the deal from behind :wink:
But then again Yuuki was on his way too (but no one could see that comming either).
:bow:
P.S. I have 3 units of monks off screen (lower left) :charge:
pretty picture :2thumbsup:
Yea, I mostly kill off my army unexpectely. I sent some cav to help TOsa and that, and sent the rest of my cav and inf to fight Ras and them, only for them to hold for a bit and rout, but my Cav helped them push back you guys.
Can't wait for next week :2thumbsup:
Warman's cav support arrived just in time to prevent Tomi from sweeping up the back of the hill. That was critical because it gave my infantry (I had no cav left) time to get up on the hill, and help drive back the attack and be ready to repel Jochi's attack. In general, I would say the best strategy when trying to take a hill is for all of the attackers to assault the hill at the same time.
Yea, that was my fault, I panicked when I saw Jochi and them coming, and I was like "uh oh" when my army was starting to go, but Yuuki came in at the right time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puzz3D
Plus I forgot my hamoto gen that was there, good thing I didn't get him killed, so I used him to round up Ras's muskets and that at the end.
I don't remember if My 1v1 with Tosa was with the MP replay pack Puzz had, I was watching it when I was making my map, so if it was, What you guys think of that game?
Although I got Hunting classes untill 3PM (19 GMT) next week :inquisitive:
but hopefully they don't keep me long :yes:
I think we need a list that tells people who host which maps are suitable.
It happened a few times that we've chosen a map that....well sucked. Also, for me it's an atmosphere killer to have windmills or any medieval housing. Yes, I'm that picky. :beam:
It's bad enough that we can't play beta_8 but we shouldn't have to put up with medieval villages and stuff.
I'll start later to post the maps that were okay, meaning no medieval features, no insane hills or bottomless holes in the middle of the map.
R'as
Edit:typo
Argeed. I don't mind Forests, I don't care if it has hills or whatever, but no buidings or insane drops, annoys the hell out of me. Just Normal Flat/Hilly maps. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul
Why?? When you go to battle you fight on whatever terrain you meet. If you're not going to have buildings, trees, hills, valleys etc you might just as well host flat maps for each game.Quote:
Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul
Sorry, this would take the interest out of the gameplay for me.:thumbsdown:
Part of the enjoyment is overcoming obstacles that are in the way. Why players need to discuss their planned methods of attack/defend. That is part of the challenge.
What would be the next.....no long shootouts at start of game....no cav rushing....just to highlight how rules would creep into an otherwise pleasant game.
I think the host should decide which map (unless another map is requested for a particular game).
Jochi, this is clearly a misunderstanding.
I'll explain later.
:bow:
Hills can offer an interesting challenge, and I'd be disappointed if hills cannot be sucessfully attacked in Samurai Wars because you could successfully attack them in STW. Large holes on the other hand are problematic because the defender will set up on the far side of the hole, and the attacker really has no option except to go around the hole. If the attacker succeeds in pushing the defender away from the edge of the hole, the attacker hasn't really gained an advantage because the defender isn't going to go down into the hole. As a terrain feature, hills are worth capturing, but holes aren't.
I didn't say anything about trees, hills or valleys. Buildings, yes. I think it's a matter of atmosphere with the buildings. We have the Japanese building models in beta_8 and they are very nice. I wouldn't object to them at all. What I mean is that silly (fl)fast_flat with the windmills we played Sunday for example. Or the one where the whole center of the map is one village which you can't really enter. I forgot the name. There are some other large maps in the Mappack that were originally designed for NTW and have way too many obstacles for our gameplay.Quote:
Why?? When you go to battle you fight on whatever terrain you meet. If you're not going to have buildings, trees, hills, valleys etc you might just as well host flat maps for each game.
Concerning hills, I have nothing against hills. If they don't become mountains.
(fl)_alx_08 is an example we've played that I don't want to play again. There is a big mountain pillar in the middle which takes away a good portion of the map. Same with this huge holes in the middle of the map where nobody wants to go because he would put himself at an extreme disadvantage. So the hole, like the mountain, take away space and become huge obstacles. We had one map, I think amp_battlefield_01, where CBR parked his whole army on a mountain. Only that half of them were looking like flies on a wall, so steep was the incline. That's ridiculous.
In all the examples the reactions of others were equal to mine. Like
"Err, Tosa did you know this?"
"Ah, sorry I'd no idea"
or
"Oh no, it's that map again"
etc.
I propose that we collect a list of mapnames that those few of us that host can have ready to decide easier. Nobody can know all the maps by heart. We could start with those that we played, which were fine, like Mizulands, Realm, farmlands, ulus etc.
I'm only making a suggestion. It's not like I make any rules anyway.Quote:
What would be the next.....no long shootouts at start of game....no cav rushing....just to highlight how rules would creep into an otherwise pleasant game.
We didn't need a written rule to deal with the issue Asanorin pointed us at and I don't think we need one now. I'm just asking that we avoid certain maps and I thought it would make it easier for the hosts if we had a list.
:bow:
Specifically, how was the issue Asanorin pointed us at 'dealt with?'Quote:
Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul
I saw that Asanorin played this weekend, though previously he wrote that he'd "quit SWs for the time being." I mentioned here that I was not going to be there last weekend, one weekend after his declaration, which suggests that it is me with whom he has a problem. Now it is alluded that the situation has been dealt with. How so?
It may be better that this question be answered privately. If so inclined--by all means. I am not blind, can read between the lines, and have an idea of the answer already. But I'd like to hear it from those who assumed responsibility for making the decision for the group.
Now, another suggests that he would not be inclined to play if we don't play the way he likes. Hmm.
I have overlooked a lot of things I don't particularly "like" about some of the players and how we go about things, and just played. Overall, I have enjoyed most of the people and games, and just adapted to what goes on that I would prefer didn't happen. Given the complaining, and the nature of the issues over the last few weekends, I am no longer inclined to participate. I'm sure there are at least two players who will be glad to hear this, and that's a good percentage, considering how small the group is. "A bad apple can spoil the whole bunch," and this statement can been seen from both sides of the fence here.
I have enjoyed working with some of you, improving coordinated play. The results have been dramatic in the short term. Unfortunately, I don't see growth proceeding at an acceptable pace, given the decisions that have been alluded to. Our "agendas" diverge. This is ok--you can't please everyone, and the underlying powers that be choose to please whom they choose to please, for whatever reasons. No way around that.
I'm going to divert my Sunday leisure time to other fun activities. I wish you all great games, and thank you all for the fun I've had. Cheers. :bow:
I reply to this part because it concerns me directly and not for any other reason. I played because i would play anyway you being there or not. I quit on the session that the incident happened, yes. My decision to return was on my own account and it was due to enjoy playing and not for any other reason.Quote:
Originally posted by Masamune
I saw that Asanorin played this weekend, though previously he wrote that he'd "quit SWs for the time being." I mentioned here that I was not going to be there last weekend, one weekend after his declaration, which suggests that it is me with whom he has a problem.
I have no problem with you. I look forward seeing you at the forthcoming sessions and playing together; you are most welcome on my account. I didn't try to avoid you - it simply happened.
This is by no means personal.
*edit* my decision to play again came long before the weekend arrived - just for information.
Noir
Masamune I can understand why you read between the lines the way you do, but its not that at all.
Nothing has changed so there is really no reason to leave like that.
CBR
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Originally Posted by CBR
Yea. When I left months ago, and came back a few months back, what was going on here in SW was the same thing going on, so no need to leave like that.
But I wish you luck anyhow Masa m8 :yes:
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Originally Posted by Santa Esmeralda
Hi Masamune.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masamune
I didn't mean to be cryptic in that sentence. There's no secret command decision been made.
With the "issue" I meant the problem of "unbalanced teams" not you or Asanorin personally. We "dealt" with it by voicing our opinions in this thread and acknowledging that a problem exists. We increased awareness to the issue of "balancing teams" and have since then made it a habit to check with people if they are comfortable and feel that the Teams are ok. In the games we've tried to coordinate our teams better by chatting on the allied channel. Nothing more, nothing less.
Concerning Asanorin, it is my understanding that he just made up his mind.
I honestly don't know what you're reading between lines. You weren't there this last Sunday and as such had no chance to observe this little change we made. If you talk to others I think they'll assure you that that's all.
I've come across this idea in this thread for a few times, that some of us are seen as leaders of the group who are supposed to make decisions for the group.Quote:
those who assumed responsibility for making the decision for the group
I'm telling all of you it's not working like that!
Sure, I'm a moderator here and as such have to look after certain things. Tomi certainly has spent the most time of us for promoting the mod. It's also true that this board serves as a communication platform for the MP meetings.
But I for one have always regarded this community as a democratic collective when it comes to our MP meetings. I don't consider any of us as a leader.
We can either proceed in this matter and continue to discuss problems as they arise or, if people feel we need leaders we can elect some that take the full responsibility. I expect you all to voice your opinions and make suggestions.
Masamune, I hope that you reconsider your decision and won't leave over a misunderstanding.
:bow:
P.S.: I'm quite busy but will try to check with some of you via PM to clear things up.
Hello Masamune,Quote:
Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul
That's the only thing I noticed. I think we already tended to do that (I won't claim balances always turned out 100%), but it seemed more outspoken/coordinated last Sunday. People who were present last Sunday could have heard prior to host hitting ready: 'Teams ok like this?' I don't recall anyone saying: 'No I want in the other team.' That was an option though, as has always been.
I expect that I'll get into my old habit again: a dog can't bark and bite at the same time. But it's just that it becomes less worded, not that I don't try.
Everyone brings something special to the game.
Beyond their different skill and experience levels, they bring their personality.
This adds another layer of variables to every situation, multiplies the complexities, and increases the dynamics of each encounter.
We need everyone (every honourable player) we can get, to provide the most challenging and there by the most enjoyable games that we can have.
It is not purely a selfish thing when I ask (as I expect that you will enjoy playing future battles as much as I do), but I am personally asking all who can mount up and show up every Sunday, to please do so.
We need you. Things will not be the same without you. The loss of any player diminishes us all.
:bow:
R’as, there you go peeking into my head again, or am I peeking into yours :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul
I started yesterday looking at some possibilities.
I am not a map maker. I tried to tinker a bit, but it will take me to-long to become proficient enough to perform the task I had planed to put together.
What I am proposing is the “Samuraization” of the large maps of the 1-3 map pack.
It would involve:
1. European fixture purging (windmills, etc., must go)
2. Major feature de-enhancing (change only the three most recognizable terrain features, just enough to be something new)
3. Name changing (create an sw_mapname set of maps named for all of the original STW provinces)*
4.
*Note: These “would not” be attempts to recreate larger versions of those originals.
The objective is to provide a set of maps that can be used in a map driven competition.
https://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k.../MapoSmall.jpg
This could be done 5 maps at a time, and tested every week. When the testing was completed, the competition would begin :smile:
Masamune
By this...
Are you referring to my...Quote:
Originally Posted by Masamune
If so, please read what is written, the operative words being interest and gameplay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jochi Khan
No mention was made of not being inclined to play
This is supposed to be a place for people to put forward ideas, as has already been pointed out. Why is there the need to make issues out of certain peoples points of view?
I have no intention of getting involved in a slanging match with anyone but I am entitled to put forward suggestions the same as anyone else.
Tomisama
There are some fine maps in the O_ maps. Many were used in the CWC games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomisama
Not really. R'as wants to make a list of the maps on which he doesn't enjoy playing, but this would just be a preliminary list subject to modification after feedback from other players. Although his post implies that he will decide which maps won't be used, I don't think that's his intention. This issue has arisen because Tosa has been hosting a wider variety of maps. Unfortunately, the mappack is not composed of all high quality maps. When I was hosting I tended to stick to a limited set of maps from the fl (flat large) category, but the downside of that is we were missing out playing on some interesting maps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masamune
The decision to keep the teams balanced? It sounds like you want a more competitive atmosphere. I'm concerned that would drive away about half the people currently playing in this small Samurai Wars community. If we can expand the community, then I think clan based rivalries would develop, and people would be playing with regular teammates which allows a higher level of coordination in team play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masamune
Hello,Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomisama
I think this is a key here: time. Even the basic textures are different between STW and MTW (and beta 8?). Totomi hosted last Sunday, has pretty basic textures and even that can look weird.
Texturing a map can consume some time, more even if there isn't a suited texture that can link two terraintypes.
I think we should first decide on which textures we will use now and in future, otherwise we'll end up redoing maps.
Perhaps it's my LCD monitor: but the original MTW textures seem to have a better resolution.
Hi Tosa :smile:
Got the replay...will be looking at it this evening...thanks!
What I have in mind is much simpler (if I am understanding what you are saying).
“Minor” modifications of existing good maps that we already use.
Not trying to make imitations of their namesake originals.
The sw_totomi will not look like any that already exist. More likely a minorly revised realm 02 (or something).
I propose we "convert" 60 maps for our own use.
Making only changes to necessary to de-euroize them, modify any outstanding identifiable characteristic, and rename them.
I believe keeping it very simple is absolutely necessary to ensure completion in a reasonable length of time (thinking we could have used these yesterday :wink: ).
When I posted 5 a week above, I had not counted the provinces. I have now :smile:
1. Aki
2. Awa
3. Awaji
4. Bingo
5. Bitchu
6. Bizen
7. Bungo
8. Buzen
9. Chicugo
10. Chikuzen
11. Dewa
12. Echigo
13. Echizen
14. Etchu
15. Harmina
16. Hida
17. Higo
18. Hitachi
19. Hizen
20. Hoki
21. Hyuga
22. Iga
23. Inaba
24. Ise
25. Iwami
26. Iyo
27. Izu
28. Izumo
29. Kaga
30. Kai
31. Kawachi
32. Kazusa
33. Kii
34. Kozuke
35. Mikawa
36. Mimasaka
37. Mino
38. Musashi
39. Mutsu
40. Nagato
41. Noto
42. Omi
43. Osumi
44. Owari
45. Sado
46. Sagami
47. Sanuki
48. Satsuma
49. Shimosa
50. Shimotsuke
51. Shinano
52. Suo
53. Suruga
54. Tajima
55. Tamba
56. Tosa
57. Totomi
58. Wakasa
59. Yamashiko
60. Yamoto
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Originally Posted by Tomisama
Histroy Question,
22.Iga
Isn't that where Alot of the Ninjas came from, the Iga areas? I might be wrong.
Hello Tomisama,
What I actually say is that there are some different maptextures. There are made by 7b7Polar that just change the quality of the vanilla MTW ones. But when you look at a map made for STW using MTW textures, grass will become rock, woods will become road. It will look weird, recall Totomi I hosted first?
Of course, you can make large and small changes to maps, but it all has to be redone when the used textureset changes again. It will be good to start there.
That's correct {BHC}KingWarman888. Oda Nobunaga waged war against them.Quote:
Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888