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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
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Originally Posted by Bootsiuv
Unless she's a door mat.
I've actually met women like that. For some reason or another, they don't think they're worth much, so they let their dudes talk to them that way.
If I ever tried to talk to my wife that way, she would likely beat me (not in the good way) and deny me my weekly blow-job.
No one wants that. :)
Why don't you guys give Persian Cataphract a break? I agree with Persian Cataphract that not all men want to be lapdogs and masochists of their women. I don't think it's fair of both of you to go against Persian Cataphract just because he doesn't share your opinion on this matter, and give comments such as "you will never get a girlfriend". Shows pretty much that you're yourself so desperate of getting one that you'll even submit yourself to mental slavery for it (and that you would probably do a similar submission to a man in some cases). I don't believe either the man or woman should treat the other as a servant, but both should stand as equals. I fail to see how a diversion from this standpoint in one direction would be better than a diversion from this standpoint into another direction.
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
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Originally Posted by LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix
I don't think it's fair of both of you to go against Persian Cataphract just because he doesn't share your opinion on this matter, and give comments such as "you will never get a girlfriend". Shows pretty much that you're yourself so desperate of getting one that you'll even submit yourself to mental slavery for it (and that you would probably do a similar submission to a man in some cases). I don't believe either the man or woman should treat the other as a servant, but both should stand as equals. I fail to see how a diversion from this standpoint in one direction would be better than a diversion from this standpoint into another direction.
Now, this should have been between me, bootsiuv and the Persian, but since you have chosen to intervene, which is your right as a fellow EBber, I shall tell you this: He is the one making chauvinist remarks, or appeared to us to be doing so. No one wants to be lapdogs for women, but the question is: does that mean they should therefore be lapdogs for us, as he is suggesting? Or more accurately, unpaid chefs and dishwashers?
And posting such insensitive remarks, however he meant them in jest, and proceeding to defend himself and reiterate the spirit of those comments after I chose to overlook the previous lot, with my girlfriend reading the posts on this same Org (or did you even read far back enough to know I have a girlfriend and she is also an EBber?)--and getting very offended by what he said, just that she did not have the right words to reply-- is way beyond the pale of appropriate behaviour for a man. I see eye to eye with you, men and women should stand as equals. So why you are defending him and attacking us non-chauvinists is quite beyond my understanding.
I wouldn't think of treating my girlfriend as less than an equal, and it's precisely because Persian was suggesting that in such offensive and frank language that I saw it as insulting. It doesn't matter if you didn't intend to kill that poor guy, what matters is that your knife went into him under the ribs. He may have meant it as jest, but only for himself, I'm sure. Clearly me and bootsiuv didn't find it very funny at all.
Furthermore, if you'll just take the -trouble- to actually -read- the origins of this argument and -follow- them through, I wouldn't have to point out to you that neither I nor bootsiuv are 'desperate for a girlfriend', as you so succinctly put it. I already have one who is my fiancee, and bootsiuv is already married, so I guess in a way he's not desperate for a girlfriend for obvious reasons. We are making such comments because we know PRECISELY what sort of behaviour will NOT get you a girlfriend, and what will. I doubt you will find that the Persian has one, and quite frankly, if you had read his message for yourself, you might probably have figured out why. No entrail-reading required for that.
Please do your research in future before pointing out inaccuracies, and you'll save yourself from having them pointed out to you in front of everyone else. Unless humiliation's your game.
And your insinuation that we would go down on men is completely uncalled for too, you uncouth barbaros. If this was 1860s America I would have demanded a duel to satisfy my honour by now. And I am reasonably sure bootsiuv would too, to suggest that we are so base. To make such comments about us just because you completely misunderstood the argument and are backing the wrong side, well, you must be pretty desperate of getting a man yourself to submit to.
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
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Originally Posted by LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix
Why don't you guys give Persian Cataphract a break? I agree with Persian Cataphract that not all men want to be lapdogs and masochists of their women. I don't think it's fair of both of you to go against Persian Cataphract just because he doesn't share your opinion on this matter, and give comments such as "you will never get a girlfriend". Shows pretty much that you're yourself so desperate of getting one that you'll even submit yourself to mental slavery for it (and that you would probably do a similar submission to a man in some cases). I don't believe either the man or woman should treat the other as a servant, but both should stand as equals. I fail to see how a diversion from this standpoint in one direction would be better than a diversion from this standpoint into another direction.
Ok guy.
I regularly submit myself to mental slavery just so I can have a girlfriend. OOOOOOOhhhhh....booobieess.:dizzy2:
That's because I'm sooooo desperate for some pussy.:laugh4:
EDIT: I was wondering why he was talking about equality and then defending persian cataphracts statements....that makes no sense.
Regardless, the dude was joking. Let's just let it go. Now, I'm going to go stalk some girl since I'm soooo desperate for a girlfriend, even though I'm married....I guess a girlfriend wouldn't be a bad thing. I'll have to talk it over with my wife. :dizzy2:
BTW, Legio, I love you just had to slip the gay reference in there....oh yes, I treat my wife with a degree of respect, so I'm automatically gay. Your post is rife with the very things you were supposedly against....inequality of the sexes.
On another note, look at what happens as soon as a girl comes in the forum, we're all like a bunch of 11 year olds. Sorry, Karielle. Don't let our stupid bullshit turn you off from the site, or the game for that matter. We all just need our naps. :beam:
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
yeah, steam's all gone now. let's let it rest. I don't want this thread to be closed down, i still want to know what other people say to their girlfriends and wives. :)
EDIT: What I said still stands though. Uncivil language calls for uncivil language. I was and am still offended by what Persian and LegioXXX had to say, respected fellow EBbers though they were, and I stand by what I said. I would call LegioXXX out to a duel with pistols at ten paces if the time period had been right, for what he had insinuated about me personally.
bootsiuv, i admire your restraint. But that is not for me. Not when my girlfriend has been insulted and now, me too.
That said, I've said my piece and I will not bring this up any further. This is the end of the matter for me.
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
There was no gay reference, it was a reference that men who crawl before women often crawl before men as well, submitting to bullies, blindly following leaders even to own destruction (acting as slaves or servants), and having no concept of own free will.
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
Right. As I said, end of the matter for me, so I won't say anything more that could perpetuate this argument.
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
Take a look around the forums guy....I'm a real follower. :dizzy2:
I agree with Pez....I'm not arguing with anyone while I'm here. This is my super happy fun time hour.
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
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Originally Posted by pezhetairoi
I would call LegioXXX out to a duel with pistols at ten paces if the time period had been right, for what he had insinuated about me personally.
Ten paces, lol! Had it been "the right time" I'd have accepted your duel, but taken my right as challenged to choose weaponry to bare hands and 0 paces. Not to defend my honor, since honor is a meaningless concept, but to fight for my right of expressing my opinion freely.
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
Aye, you have that freedom of speech. We just have the freedom to rebut, too. If you're cool, I'm cool.
Come on, all, let's go to the Tavern and have a drink. You're invited too, LegioXXX. And you, Persian. All are invited. The world may be full of war and strife, but the Tavern is where public order due to happiness is up 300%. So let's just drink and forget. C'mon, c'mon.
And lest we lose sight of the real topic, what do the rest of you say to your girlfriends/mothers/wives when you go to play EB?
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
To which you are 100% entitled, just as we are 100% entitled to disagree with you....now get your ass over to the tavern for a drink, and let's move on. :beam:
Everyone has different opinions, we could argue until the sun comes up on who is right....quite frankly, I don't care. Like I said, super happy fun time hour has begun.
Pez, me and you think alike. It's a little scary. :dizzy2:
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
My goodness you just said the same thing as I did at exactly the same time. You must be telepathic or something, bootsiuv. XD
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
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Originally Posted by abou
Don't let the EB gentry bother you. Some of the guys just need more Jager than others when they wake up in the morning.
...Just one more day... I thought, until you came along to ruin a perfectly boring day at the job ~:wacko:
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Originally Posted by pezhetairoi
I wouldn't think of treating my girlfriend as less than an equal, and it's precisely because Persian was suggesting that in such offensive and frank language that I saw it as insulting. It doesn't matter if you didn't intend to kill that poor guy, what matters is that your knife went into him under the ribs. He may have meant it as jest, but only for himself, I'm sure. Clearly me and bootsiuv didn't find it very funny at all.
...Well, to my own defense, I'd say that's because you lack a sense of humour :brakelamp:
Ouch! How could I possibly make such a statement? Well...
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He is the one making chauvinist remarks, or appeared to us to be doing so. No one wants to be lapdogs for women, but the question is: does that mean they should therefore be lapdogs for us, as he is suggesting? Or more accurately, unpaid chefs and dishwashers?
As weird as it may sound to your sensibilities, other than being in a clearly jesting mood, I'm neither a chauvinist or a trailer-trash wife-beater who thinks women are second grade individuals conceived for the sake of furthering culinary and householding traditions. Now quite frankly my private life is none of your business, but the fact that my girlfriend is a catastrophe in the kitchen just ought to tell you how presumptuous one can be after incorrectly appreciating humorous intent.
Another thing while I'm at it, my girlfriend appreciates a strong, independent character. Her standards are high as are mine, and neither of us appease. It doesn't mean I treat people like trash, it means I don't let people walk over me. Humility is an overrated virtue. If I turned into a lapdog, my girlfriend would leave me instantly.
Like I said before, when I joke around it's always risky business to omit the [j/k]-part which seems to be Internet tradition. I thought an ample of supply of smilies would kind of convey the message, but instead you've concocted another image of my character... This smiley is great :strawman3:
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I doubt you will find that the Persian has one, and quite frankly, if you had read his message for yourself, you might probably have figured out why. No entrail-reading required for that.
Well, I'd like to thank you for your in-depth psycho-analysis of my character on the basis of... Hmmm, let me see, a remark jocularly playing on female stereotypes, and a pull on yourself thinking horses are cute on the basis of "If my girlfriend thinks like that, I think like that too...". Now, this would be the perfect time for me to pull a serve esse, but considering how you've handled the situation *sarcastic chuckle*, I'd rather not... Jägermeister-drinking gods could only know how many ways that could backfire ~:rolleyes:
Thanks for fighting over me, ladies ~:flirt:
Someone order me a Jägermeister before my head explodes. Thanks to Abou, the weekly abstinence is about to be broken :barrel:
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
If I hadn't sworn to not continue this argument, boy would I have some things to say to you. Clearly jesting you were not, to me, though to you you were, so fair enough. You've said your piece, I've said mine, so let's not get this thread locked. There's Jagermeisters aplenty at the Tavern. Come and join us, somebody just ordered or is about to order a Jagerbomb, the brave soul.
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
..I think I shall refrain, or at least think twice about, commenting on anything EB in the future in this forum. Who knows what a little female perspective might rile up. :dizzy2:
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
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Originally Posted by The Persian Cataphract
Oh noes, he said "ladies", and I've got a penis, so he insinuates I'm a woman by making a silly joke which I shall misinterpret so my seemingly hetero-sexual but supportive lifemate on the Internet can have an excuse to double-team him even if the basis is vague and fallacious
Oooohhh, another gay joke.
Classy.
I'm not even arguing about this, and I never was. I just didn't agree with what you said, and, like I said it didn't sound like it was in jest. So you made a joke, in bad taste, I really don't care.
I brought myself into this argument, fair enough, but, once I was in, I was in. To insinuate that Pez is my internet life-mate just shows you as rather immature.
So be it. I was wondering how long it would be before I got into an argument with someone here. I likes to rock the boat, so bring it on. Arguing with you guys is giving me something to do before I have to go to work, at the very least. :beam:
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
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Originally Posted by Karielle
..I think I shall refrain, or at least think twice about, commenting on anything EB in the future in this forum. Who knows what a little female perspective might rile up. :dizzy2:
Oy. It's a free world. You keep right on posting, y'hear? Don't let this get you down, we guys do this all the time on the threads. A little fresh female perspective may do us all good. You just had an unfortunate confluence of bad factors in your debut is all, keep on posting, dear. I'm sure many of us would like to see more of you around.
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
Okay, closing time. Leave the glasses on the tables everyone, you've had enough. I'm sorry this humorous thread turned into this. Don't be scared off please, Karielle.
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
You have just as much right to post here as anyone else.
Like pez said, don't worry about these little things. I find them quite entertaining, good for shits and giggles.
I mean, c'mon, how much could I possibly care about someone I'll never meet who likely lives on the other side of the world. It's not a big deal, we do this all of the time.
If it wasn't about you, it would have been about something else.....btw, just why in the hell isn't loricata segmentata in this game. This is an outrage. :P
Uh oh, the EB gods have spoken....I'll stop now, Bovi, you don't have to close the thread.
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
*tactfully changes subject* My oh my, isn't the sky beautifully blue today? I wonder if it will be just as blue tomorrow as it will be today... *whistle*
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
Well, I'm off to work.
For the record, I don't have anything against Persian or Legio....if they have something against me, whaddyagonnado?
Karielle, please don't let our rather boyish-games turn you off. I've had a smile on my face the entire time, even while I was being called gay. I really don't take it personally.
I can only hope that all others involved have been looking at this "argument" as light-heartedly as I have. Just because we argue doesn't mean we aren't all friends (although I use that term loosely, I don't expect either of the two gents I've debated with to want to give me a hug or anything).
I just hope that there won't be any grudges held. Afterall, there is nothing wrong with healthy debate, even if it turns a little sour in the end *cough gay jokes cough*
Well, I'll be back to argue the merits of including lorica segmenta in EB later. :P
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
Getting personal on the Internet is silly, but I got to admit that apart from a boring day at the job, I actually got my dosage of petty entertainment. If I was genuinely a jerk, I'd probably get kicked off the team a long time ago. Usually I don't post in this manner, unless I just want to mess around. Proper debates are of a much more sophisticated level of communication.
This pretty much sums up why women are not that common around these reaches. Women playing EB is great, because in my wide network of contacts, in particular historian circles, I don't know of any women who have ever heard of EB prior to myself introducing the concept to them in person. My girlfriend hates it because she thinks I'm "playing games". That's pretty much what sums up this thread, the reaction of women in general when it comes to EB.
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
I guess my definition of jest shall have to be widened to accomodate our resident persian cataphract. Good to know we all believe in sophisticated debate. Shall be glad to take you on someday in some EB-related debate, Persian. Let's shake hands on that. *offers hand*
And well, karielle's a rare one, though I think if you asked her to stay and keep posting she would ;-)
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
I think I'll reserve the right to decide that for myself, dear pez. :P
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
@above posters: Ok!
At least I have the decency to provide beer :wink:
~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:grouphug:
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
Thanks Legio.
See EB gods, we can resolve issues ourselves.
~:cheers:
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
Good!!
Now lets get back to what we say to our wifes/mother/girlfriends when we aren't as lucky as Pez.
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
Lol. XD I'm sure there's some lurker around who has the same luck, just that's he/she/they keep(s) quiet...
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
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Originally Posted by pezhetairoi
Lol. XD I'm sure there's some lurker around who has the same luck, just that's he/she/they keep(s) quiet...
Sure there is!!! :yes::yes::yes:
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Originally Posted by pezhetairoi
Yup, that's my Makedonian beauty ^_^ Precious, ain't she? I'm willing to bet we're the first Org couple to BOTH play EB, heh. Romani and Makedones... Quite a civilised match, I should say.
That is great! What is greater still is, that there might be more lucky couples who both enjoy EB.
I, for one, am lucky that (being an addict to PC games - RTR and EB especialy) I have a understanding wife who play as well (though not so extensively) - as the time goes on we came through several periods (Dungeon Master 2, TES 3 Morrowind, TES 4 Oblivion, Caesar III, Civilization III, etc.). She is now EB queen of Saaba :egypt: (and forum lurker:yes: )
Therefore when I am going to play EB I usually say to her: "Honey, do not forget your laptop at work, we will need both computers tonight :laugh4: "
P.S.-Of course it is a pure coincidence, but we have married soon after she totally crushed a friend of mine (a total PC addict) in Age of Empires II on LAN. :2thumbsup:
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Re: What you say to your girlfred, wife, mother, when you are going to play EB:)
*big huge armies marching around on the screen, led by a general*
me: Hey mom! I'm a star! :beam:
