Announcement: Debates in the Gahzette

We really ought to have a squid discussion. Or aliens. Or both.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

The two debates listed earlier has started.

The format is simple:
- Make an affirmative proposition for your view in the debate in aprox. 300-400 words.
- The debate is formal and you should look for and point out technical fallacies (ref. article in Gahzette issue 7)
- Point these fallacies out and rebut your oponent's views in a number of replies.
- One debator will start the rebutal and the other will follow suit (decided upon a coin toss).
- There will be a set number of rounds (max 4).
- A panel of three will make comments on the finished debate.

I will make a thread for each debate when round 2 (first rebuttal) has started.

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Awesome thanks. Me and my opponent will get ball rolling and see what happens.

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Originally Posted by Andres

What's wrong with having a beard?

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When I say beard, I'm talking leather elbow patches on tweed beneath which is a T-shirt, (with accompanying gut), that has, "real ale appreciations society chairman", printed on it. The wearer of which is stroking down a brill creamed comb-over, whilst reaching out the other hand for the yard glass.

'Nuff said.
:The end:

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Originally Posted by Andres

Damn, he's crazy enough to accept :laugh4:



What Flemish nation?

The funny thing is, they don't even have a language. You can hardly state that "le Flamand" is a language. People living in Antwerp, don't understand people from Limburg and none of them understand people from West- or East-Flanders. What language is it you Flemings are always talking about :inquisitive:

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That's funny, as yesterday I talked with (a wasted) guy from West-Flanders I understood him perfectly and he also understood me. He said :" you're not too bad, even though you're from Limburg". Half hour later another guy I was talking with asked me if I was from West-Flanders. Lol.

verstoj't?

Viva la Belgique!

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Crazed Rabbit believes that the handguns should be legal.

Waldinger "believes" that handguns should be made illegal.

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:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Even funnier is the fact that I'm going deer hunting tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

In the spirit of debating clubs, I'll sign on for being a free-form player. I'll take any position on any argument, just give me a day or two to do some research on the issue and let me know what my position is.

If you've already signed everyone up, wonderful! I'll enjoy seeing it.

By the way, is it too late to suggest a debate topic? I think abortion gets too emotional and there's too much assumption of malintent by both sides.

But what about resurrecting the Terry Schiavo case, and have a topic on end-of-life decision making and who holds the ultimate authority?

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I have put you down as a debater, Don.

As to the debates, there are only two committed (Andres vs. Louis and CR vs. Waldinger) and currently in process.
You can see in the OP what people have suggested for topics and what they would like to debate. There are however few commitments.
I would suggest that if you want to debate, you should challenge a member to a debate.
When your proposed opponent takes the challenge, a commitment to a debate has been established. Then you have to agree on an angle or scope of the debate. When this is done, you send in your affirmative proposition to me or sapi.

Yes you can propose new topics...

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Even funnier is the fact that I'm going deer hunting tomorrow.

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Whats funny is that you set the scope for the debate and set yourself a position that is unwinnable .

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I would prefer that the topic be more specific such as whether handguns should be legal or not.

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Where can I follow those debates or do I have to wait until the december issue of the ghazettah? I can't wait to hear Andres' and Louis' arguments.

PS can other people participate?

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Originally Posted by Peasant Phill

Where can I follow those debates or do I have to wait until the december issue of the ghazettah? I can't wait to hear Andres' and Louis' arguments.

PS can other people participate?

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KukriKhan creates the threads that will host the debates... I will start filling them when round 2 has started.
CR and Waldinger are now in round 2 and I will send Kukri the material.

The threads will be closed, so no... only the debaters will be able to post there.

You can participate by putting your name down for a debate or challenge any of the members listed in the OP.

You can participate by putting your name down for a debate or challenge any of the members listed in the OP.
terms and conditions may apply , putting your name down does not neccesarily mean that you are willing to debate or are open to challenge:2thumbsup:

Halo 3? :gah:

Spork vs. Navaros on sex. That'd be the day.

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Whats funny is that you set the scope for the debate and set yourself a position that is unwinnable .

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I actually think that I'm doing pretty good right now. I'll have to see rabbits rebuttal for a fair comparison of how we are doing but I'm not failing as much as I expected.

First snow of the year up here happened today during deer hunting. I shot a doe if anyone cares.

On second thought... I'll remove this comment...

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Originally Posted by Waldinger

I shot a doe if anyone cares.

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:furious3: :smg: :soapbox: :rulez:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Enjoy your meal! ~D

Excuse me, I must be blind. Where did those two threads go...?

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Spork vs. Navaros on sex. That'd be the day.

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:laugh4:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...hreadGoing.jpg

Not blind. :)

I removed them after Sigurd and I discussed how posting should happen. The next version you'll see will be started, then updated by he alone, so he can better control what they contain and how they look.

note: It will be helpful, after Sigurd starts those threads, if no one else posts in them, so that we end up with a product that exports well to the Gahzette and the wider internet. To that end, we'll likely delete any other comments, and provide a separate "debate-discussion thread" for us readers in the peanut gallery.

Sigurd, I've sent my opening statement to you on Wednesday...

What are we waiting for? A new Belgian government?

Or are we waiting for Louis :mean: ?

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Originally Posted by Andres

Or are we waiting for Louis :mean: ?

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:yes:

This is good stuff, if this becomes the standard I call out of my lague :2thumbsup:

edit, spelling, yup it is

Okay, I've had a PM discussion going, and I'm ready to issue a challenge.

Hore Tore and I have frequently bantered about the merits of a state-run socialist economy versus a free-enterprise capitalistic economy.

I'd like to challenge Hore Tore to go on record in here. The premise: State-controlled socialist economies are ineffecient and cannot provide the same economic growth or standards of living that a free-enterprise capitalistic economy can and therefore ought to be avoided when possible.

I'll let Hore Tore chose which position he wants to take. :laugh4:

Note: <My challenge is about economic systems writ large, something Hore Tore & I have butted heads over frequently. I'm not trying to co-opt the socialized medicine topic. The particulars of socialized medicine versus private-payer medicine are such that I think it ought to be argued separately>.

The challange in such a debate Don that you have chosen is to avoid the emotional appeal arguement until the end of the debate.

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Originally Posted by Redleg

The challange in such a debate Don that you have chosen is to avoid the emotional appeal arguement until the end of the debate.

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I think that's true on any of these. But you're right. I'll do my best to remain detached, and I was serious about arguing either side of an issue. Debating isn't about being right, necessarily, it's about bringing information to the table in an orderly, logical fashion. There's a lot of logical evidence to make on behalf of socialist economies.

And in case your point is that my premise was a bit leading, I've ammended it. :2thumbsup:

That reads better Don for a debate.

My main thought behind the statement is that a socialist/capitalist debate often boils down to an emotional based arguement here in the .Org. The longer the emotional appeals are left out of the discussion the better the debate will be. So I must wish you good luck in your endevor.

Hum hum hum hum...

Well Don, two things;

1. What happened to morals?
2. I'm not in favour of a state-controlled economy... I'm a mixed economy man. So change it slightly(state controls the important stuff, market can deal with the rest), and I can do it. I seriously have no idea how to defend a full planned economy, so can't do that :clown:

Hmmm, I think Horetore just went from being a socialist to a being a social-democrate, at least it's something.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Hmmm, I think Horetore just went from being a socialist to a being a social-democrate, at least it's something.

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Nah, most socialists are in favour of a mixed economy, like the social democrats. It's just that we have a few more things on the state-list than the social democrats ~;)

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Hum hum hum hum...

Well Don, two things;

1. What happened to morals?
2. I'm not in favour of a state-controlled economy... I'm a mixed economy man. So change it slightly(state controls the important stuff, market can deal with the rest), and I can do it. I seriously have no idea how to defend a full planned economy, so can't do that :clown:

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You learn something new about a person every day :book: .