Christmas Mafia :) [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by CountArach

Actually I was fairly sure that this would be what Ichigo was planning. I don't see how it makes him scummy. Sure, we get rid of whoever the Mafia want, which helps to give us a confirmed innocent. On the other hand, as he said, we can analyse the kill closely and then make an educated decision next round.

But if we get the feeling that they have changed their list, then we can take the assumption that they are fairly active, whioch should cut down the list even further.

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Originally Posted by Brave_Sir_Robin

A good plan, far better than just taking another shot in the dark looking for a mafioso. This might actually give us something to base our suspicions off of.

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I can see some linking here between you both - Ichigo adviced, CA started voting with notice, BSR confirmed it without reasonable explanation

Btw activity was mentioned as a scummy behaviour; BSR isn't active by this time, thus judged as innocent by your logic, unlike me. Not active in thread does not means not active at all.

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On the other hand, as he said, we can analyse the kill closely and then make an educated decision next round.

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I'm curious how much we can get from 1 big loss...

It can be just mafia's plan to overtake game ..:inquisitive:

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You seem like you're not a big fan of my plan. Seems pretty scummy to me

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I already noticed greatest rule of mafia games - if you believe to someone, no matter how innocent they may look, you likely to be fooled. Especially to you..:evil:

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Originally Posted by Charge

I can see some linking here between you both - Ichigo adviced, CA started voting with notice, BSR confirmed it without reasonable explanation

Btw activity was mentioned as a scummy behaviour; BSR isn't active by this time, thus judged as innocent by your logic, unlike me. Not active in thread does not means not active at all.

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Are you suggesting there are a connection between all 3 of us? That would be strange considering how much effort we have all put into trying to organise the town. My original plan (Choosing who to lynch by only leaving 1 person with 0 presents) fell through due to lack of evidence on anyone. So I moved onto the next thing that I thought would benefit the town.

I ask you - if Ichigo were scum, why would he suggest that we organise more efficiently?

I agree with Ichigo that you are more scummy for trying to stifle organisation. Right now though, I want to see what this comes to.

FoS: Charge

I'm curious why we actually give everyone 1 present if there would be no difference in giving everyone 1, 2, 3, or even no presents.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

I'm curious why we actually give everyone 1 present if there would be no difference in giving everyone 1, 2, 3, or even no presents.

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There would be no difference. 1 was just a convenient number I guess. :shrug:

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FoS: Charge

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:stars:

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I ask you - if Ichigo were scum, why would he suggest that we organise more efficiently?

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I have supported your original plan, but this one seems a bit tricky for me...
...suitable for Ichi and other high experienced mafiosos..

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My original plan (Choosing who to lynch by only leaving 1 person with 0 presents) fell through due to lack of evidence on anyone.

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..or just bcs it was an attempt to make you look innocent in our eyes? Evidence can be reached only through discussion, and I'm one of those who tryes to bring this discussion up.

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Originally Posted by Charge

I have supported your original plan

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Originally Posted by Charge

it was an attempt to make you look innocent in our eyes

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You are just digging yourself into a deeper hole.

could someone plz give me another present?

Everyone has 1, that is how we are playing it.

I am curious as to why self-preservation is so important to you?

FoS: woad&fangs

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Originally Posted by CountArach

You are just digging yourself into a deeper hole.

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Why?
By saying this you only confirm your hidden relationships with Ichigo..

Look, if you are mafioso, do you really have other option than trying to lynch me ? (as killing me will make you and Ichigo very suspicious)
So
FoS: CA
FoS: Ichigo
:kiss2:

each day confuses me more and more...

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Everyone has 1, that is how we are playing it.

I am curious as to why self-preservation is so important to you?

FoS: woad&fangs

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Yow! I would Double Fos: CA if I could.
W&F may think that he's possible target for mafia thus want another present (actually I'd like to too)

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I'm curious how much we can get from 1 big loss...

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People can still speak after death and the mafia can just kill them tonight anyways. This way instead of having what basicly has been a random lynch we gain more evidence and a confirmed inoccent. Much better then before.

i'm surprised no one brought up ethier of the write ups. The kill by the appearent witch because Peasent Phill found out her idenity and the strange messages from the stocking.


9T8 YD8

843 G85

The message didn't seem to make much sense to me.
And the witch was just an excuse to night kill Phill.

Numbers: 3 4 5 8 8 8 8 9
Letters: T Y D G
What letters would numbers correspond to?
Number to Letter: C D E H H H H I

Townies! We need your feedback on that case! ^^^

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Numbers: 3 4 5 8 8 8 8 9
Letters: T Y D G
What letters would numbers correspond to?
Number to Letter: C D E H H H H I

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hmm.. rebus?

in numbers it seems
9208 2548
843 785

or
ITH YDH
HDC GHE

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Witch or thing is a variations of one bad role I think..

Charge hit the nail on the head.
gift: Charge(3)

FoS: Count Arach

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Originally Posted by W&F

Charge hit the nail on the head.
gift: Charge(3)

FoS: Count Arach

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I don't understand your reasoning. You feel you are a target for the mafia, so your giving Charge more presents? All you are doing is making sure he can't be lynched.

I can't give myself presents and I don't think that giving the mafia a free pick of who to kill is a wise descision. I believe for now that Charge is innocent.

Also,
Take: Charge(1)
Give: Northnovas(1)

We can still learn how the mafia is thinking by giving them only a few choices of who to lynch and seeing which of those options they take.

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Originally Posted by Brave_Sir_Robin

I don't understand your reasoning. You feel you are a target for the mafia, so your giving Charge more presents? All you are doing is making sure he can't be lynched.

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BSR, you seemed before to 'bandwagon' their ideas, now you trying to argue him........:inquisitive:
Give (2) woad&fangs
thanks :bow:

1 gift later to somebody..

Why? Someone is going to die, and it seems highly unlikely it is going to be the mafia. We might as well see who the mafia want to kill. We know a townie is going to die, so we might as well get something out of it.

Meh, whatever. Just screw the whole town if you want...

FoS: Woads and Fang

Why protect charge what makes you think he's inoocent? What else do you want to propose in place of CA's system since the old system is only giving us a random lynch. Why give two to charge there has to be another person you thin is innocent. Why do you think Northnovas is innocent to?

Over all this just seems like an effort for you and charge to protect each other and disrupt the strategy of the town.

Scummy, very scummy

Protect each other from what? the mafia gets to choose who is lynched.

Keeps you away from suspision of constant avoidance.


Still didn't answer the question what do you think the towns best strategy would be?

My guess is to pick mafiosos through discussion, which we all should begin.
Ichigo suggests very tricky plan to lynch innocent and see what happens...

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Originally Posted by Charge

My guess is to pick mafiosos through discussion, which we all should begin.
Ichigo suggests very tricky plan to lynch innocent and see what happens...

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You have to think another turn ahead though. This will tell us what kind of people the mafia are. If you don't have enough solid evidence to suggest that someone else is mafia, you seek it out. That is what we are doing.

Obviously, people should give presents to people they think are innocent and give reasons as too why they think those people are innocent.

I gave a present to Northnovas because I don't think the mafia would let each other have 0 presents in the first round. With 3 meatball votes to throw around it would be silly to not give one to your partner in crime if he didn't already have one.

Charge is promoting discussion. The mafia would probably just sit back and enjoy the fact that they were being handed a completely free choice of who too kill. I also figured that if I gave him some presents that he would return the favor. I don't want to get lynched by the mafia. If I was a mafioso I would not have to worry about only having 1 present in this round.

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I gave a present to Northnovas because I don't think the mafia would let each other have 0 presents in the first round. With 3 meatball votes to throw around it would be silly to not give one to your partner in crime if he didn't already have one.

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Though accordingly to the list they cannot be bothered if one townie is going to receive 0 as well, but with all this unvoting, risky..

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Originally Posted by Charge

Ichigo suggests very tricky plan to lynch innocent and see what happens...

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:wall: It wasn't a very tricky plan. It was quite straightforward. Even with you screwing up Ichigo's idea, a townie will still die. The only way to lynch a mafioso in this game is to make sure they have less presents than anyone else.

The mafia doesn't really choose who to lynch. They have sent in a list, the person highest on that list with the least number of presents is killed. We aren't going to win through random luck here. Giving everyone an equal number of presents lets us gain some information.

Yes, but now we still will gain some information but I won't die:2thumbsup:

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Obviously, people should give presents to people they think are innocent and give reasons as too why they think those people are innocent.

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This so far has been resulting in basicly random lynches once again on the mafias term. Infact since theres been multiable people each time, that means that the mafia gets to chose who gets lynched. Meaning that each and every one of the past lynchs are proably inoccent since the mafia gets to chose.

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I gave a present to Northnovas because I don't think the mafia would let each other have 0 presents in the first round. With 3 meatball votes to throw around it would be silly to not give one to your partner in crime if he didn't already have one.

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But the mafia gets to decide in case of a tie. Which there was one.

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Charge is promoting discussion. The mafia would probably just sit back and enjoy the fact that they were being handed a completely free choice of who too kill. I also figured that if I gave him some presents that he would return the favor. I don't want to get lynched by the mafia. If I was a mafioso I would not have to worry about only having 1 present in this round.

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If you or I die really dosn't matter since disscusion can countinue in death.The mafia gains no significant advanage in gaining what is basicly another night kill why the town gains depertly needed information.

take: Charge(2)
take: Northnovas(1)

Somebody (I think it's Sapi) should clear things about who can kill on nights - Mafia, Town, both ,neither of those (third parties).

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take: Charge(2)
take: Northnovas(1)

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care to explain?

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Originally Posted by W&F

Yes, but now we still will gain some information but I won't die

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What does you being alive help? You can still speak while dead.

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Originally Posted by W&F

Charge is promoting discussion.

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Is he? i've seen him say we need more discussion, but what has he done to provoke it? Nothing. All he's been doing is saying why we should randomly hand out gifts instead of doing something that could gain us valuable information.