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Mike Huckabee? I didn't see that coming. :inquisitive:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/...ies/index.html
Looks like Obama's won all three primaries today.
CLINTON!?!?!?!?
BLEUGH!!! :sick:
But seriously - of the 3 remaining Democrats I am closest to Gravel.
Gravel? Ha! I bet most democrat voters don't know about him.
In Maryland, Obama became a juggernaut;
He's like the Clinton machine six months ago, but not fueled by ambition, greed, and spite.Quote:
In the Chesapeake Rout, according to exit polls in Maryland, Obama won:
Latino Voters By Six Points: 53-47
All Religions (Including Catholics)
All Age Groups (Including Seniors)
All Regions
All Education Levels
And Women by TWENTY ONE POINTS...
I just hope the battle goes on to the convention so they have to keep fighting each other. If Obama keeps a narrow lead, I don't see Clinton giving up.
CR
Good showman-ship from the psycho hose-beast
I was going to post a sound bite from the wizard of OZ; you know, when the wicked witch is flying around the house in the cyclone?
It is copyrighted.
I'll admit, I've been kinda anti-Hillary. But thanks to this video, I am now a huge supporter. Rawk on to the White House!
Damn it. I thought I could hold out longer too before I embraced her inevitable goodness. God she is awesome - And I thought words couldn't express it!!??!!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
That's 2 minutes 36 seconds of my life I won't get back. :thinking:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
She got owned. The message is clear: Go back to Arkansas, or New York, or wherever else you want to sleaze your way into power, but we don't want you living around here!
Wow. Wow. I mean, really? Good grief. When Obama fans turn out stuff like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY you know why Hillary's losing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
CR
Damn that Obama thing was actually pretty good... the hilary thing was laughable
I heard that song on the radio and I liked it. Then I got home and realized that celebrities had made it and it very much soured the deal. I will never be on the same side as Hollywood in anything substantial - except for their wholesale rejection of Hillary. The difference is that they reject her for being too "conservative"... I have different reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
I can understand you not being a Black Eyed Peas kinda guy, Tuff. Elephunk, I mean really, who's into that these days?
You're all being very mean about the Hillary video. It converted me! I was dead set against the Clinton Restoration, but now I'm all for it.
Why I wouldn't count the Clintons out yet:
Bill granted clemency to terrorists who hadn't asked for clemency to pander to Hispanics.
And it turns out Obama might be a very average speaker without his teleprompter:
http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Pu...4/728ofzey.asp
CR
I'm not a big McCain fan -- he's a classic C.C.GOPper (Conservative on fopo and military, anti-tax but pro government involvement in econ, liberal on most but not all social issues). However, his stance on Life and on the WoT makes him, for me, a palatable choice compared to the Dems.
SO....
I want Obama to get to the convention with a narrow delegate lead and have Clinton beat him for the nom on superdelegates and calling in every favor/skeleton the Clintonians know! This will leave the Dems in total disarray and let Johnny step into the oval.
Instead, I'll get B.H.O. in a small-to-modest first ballot win over Clinton followed by his picking Richardson and then waxing McCain by 0.5-1.5 points in the popular vote and about 300 to 230 in the E.C.
Hope the international "love" he gets for his permanent tan is enough to offset the 24 months of OJT.
Obama could turn out to be a straw man, but people are notorious for masturbating themselves with words in the face of reality. Both candidates have massive weaknesses and massive strengths.
Obama has a tremendous amount of charisma in his speeches. He is also the black man that the world has been waiting for. Mainstream, Charismatic, well-spoken and not full of bigoted hatred against white people. Like it or not, that mix has not really existed in U.S. politics much before him. Blacks in U.S. politics have traditionally been largely been characterized as race baiting (Jackson, Rangel, Sharpton) OR stuffy old codgers (Powell, Rice, Thomas). Call that racist if you wan't, but it is pretty true. I'd like people - white, black and everything in between - to stop being racists, but contemporary black politicians have made that very difficult. Obama may be able to change that.
Clinton has an ongoing pact with Satan, so that clearly gives her an edge in any national election.
Romney is scheduled to endorse McCain today. If he does it, I do it. I freakin' love that guy.
Looks as though some on the far left are waking up to what the Clintons are about:
If Hillary Clinton does not win delegates out of a majority of contested primaries and caucuses, her aides are willing to rip the party apart to secure the nomination, to cheat in a way that will rend the Democratic coalition and probably destroy Clinton's chances in the general election. Imagine the fury in the African-American community if Barack Obama leads in delegates but is denied the nomination because the Clinton campaign is able to change the rules to seat delegates from Michigan, where no other candidates were even on the ballot, and from Florida, where no one campaigned. Imagine the anger among the young voters Obama brought into the process, and was making into Democratic voters. Imagine the feeling of betrayal among his supporters more generally, and the disgust among independents watching the battle take place on the convention floor. Imagine how statesmanlike John McCain will look in comparison, how orderly and focused the Republican convention will appear.
This demonstrates not only a gross ruthlessness on the part of Clinton's campaign, but an astonishingly cavalier attitude towards the preservation of the progressive coalition. To be willing to blithely rip it to shreds in order to wrest a nomination that's not been fairly earned is not only low, but a demonstration of deeply pernicious priorities -- namely, it's an explicit statement that the campaign puts its own political success above the health of the party and the pursuit of progressive goals, and one can't but help assume that's exactly the attitude they would take towards governance, too.
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I fully expected Obama to go into the convention with a narrow lead in delegates and then have to fight Clinton for the superdelegates. If Clinton wins that fight then the democrats will be destroyed as a party for the next 6 to 8 years due to the reasons that were mentioned above. The Super delegates need to side with Obama if they really care about their party.
Tuff, I still think that Romney is slimy but his bowing out of the race when he did seemed very classy to me. I hope that he gets the VP nomination on the republican side. At the very least I think that he'd balance the federal budget.
I realized something today. The next president will be sworn into office on January 20th, 2009. The very next day, I will turn 18. That's just something that I found interesting.
Engendering such a democratic debacle was one of the two reasons I voted for Clinton in the VA primary. The other was to honor a promise to Louis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
Note: Louis pushed, politely, for my vote in November for Clinton. Once my laughter died down I politely declined.
Lemur, I cannot share your love of McCain. I see another Bush administration growing the power and role of the Federal government if he gets in. I will admit that, if he keeps to his "no goverment waste/no earmarks" pledge -- I'm doubtful -- it would be an improvement of the domestic efforts of the current occupant.
Let's play guess the candidate (some appear more than once):
https://img171.imageshack.us/img171/...clintonbw1.jpg
https://img171.imageshack.us/img171/...ricycleae7.jpg
https://img171.imageshack.us/img171/...d20wifeyw7.jpg
https://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2949/ypaulsk3.jpg
https://img160.imageshack.us/img160/1268/ygiulwn0.jpg
https://img171.imageshack.us/img171/429/hillaryka6.jpg
https://img171.imageshack.us/img171/...a5d4808nk0.jpg
https://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1096/ythompkq1.jpg
https://img511.imageshack.us/img511/...on1960sxc8.jpg
https://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9489/clintondo1.gif
https://img179.imageshack.us/img179/...eywagonnc2.jpg
https://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9549/mccainjw4.jpg
Last one should probably be hosted in the "hunk" thread as well...
My Guesses:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Well boohoo. They cared diddly when the Clintons did it to the country, but now that they are going to do it to the democrat party and take down Obama they cry. Or maybe its only now that they can see it.Quote:
Looks as though some on the far left are waking up to what the Clintons are about:
CR
Well, perhaps instead of just listening what one writer says, perhaps it would be better to just post a vid of the speech and let everyone decide for themselves? LINKIEQuote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Note: Vid's a bit long, 30 minutes, just as a headsup.
* Bill+Hill (yes that's bill "I didn't inhale" clinton)
* Obama (yup)
* Fred Thompson (yup)
* ? Huckabee ? (ron paul actually)
* No Linking from that host (oops)
* Hillary (kind of obvious I suppose)
* ? (edwards)
* ? (thompson)
* Hillary (gah!) (heh)
* Bill (band nerd in high school?)
* Romney (yup)
* McCain (yup, years haven't done him that well)
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Originally Posted by Zim
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No problem if you don't want to read the whole thread, but at least you could check out the same page you're posting to. All TuffStuff did was miss the "l" in .html.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice
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Am I the only one who winces when I read posts about the "democrat" party? Go ahead and kick me for being a grammar nazi, but isn't that equivalent to talking about the "republic" party? Aren't the correct terms "Democratic" and "Republican"?
I know it's insanely trivial, but it always distracts me when I see it in a post. Makes me itch to get out my editor's pencil ...
I don't think it's an entirely unfair assessment. He is constantly referring to his notes and it breaks his rhythm on many occasions. He's definitely capable of reading good speeches though. What I don't understand is how that uniquely qualifies him for president. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by kamikhaan
I do think the Weekly Standard goes a bit wrong in singling out liberal commentators for their unadulterated praise of Obama- I've heard "conservatives" do the same. Why? Apparently he's inspirational and a uniter. How is he a uniter? Well... he does an impressive job reading speeches. :inquisitive:
And this is precisely why I think its better for us to see a speech, rather than a newspaper/writer tell us how it/what happened. We, ourselves can make our own judgements, as you have just done. Yes, he does refer to notes. Who wouldn't, in a 30 minute speech? Even the most gifted oraters need notes for a beast that long. Certainly, it could have been done better, but frankly, I think there's other things opponents of Obama can point to instead of him having to refer to notes during a speech. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
I agree, but for many the main reason to support him is his being inspirational (ie: he gives good speeches), so it's probably a worthwhile effort to point out that he's only reading them and not coming up with it off the cuff. Naturally, anyone who thinks about it would realize this, but the fact seems lost on some of his more starry-eyed supporters.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamikhaan
kamikhaan, actually, there are people capable of giving extemporaneous speeches of great length. It's a particular gift, and it exists; I've seen it in action. However, given the media environment, I can also see why a person campaigning for POTUS would not want to wing it for an extended period. No telling what phrase might get sound-byted to hell and back.
This bit of gossip may belong in News of the Weird, but since it's political, I guess it goes here: