I'm not quite sure what are you saying. Can you explain it to me?Quote:
Originally Posted by navarro951
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I'm not quite sure what are you saying. Can you explain it to me?Quote:
Originally Posted by navarro951
:belly: + :viking: = :skull:
What a way to go!
Well like looking over the previous tally, and looking at whose been saying wut, the killings seem to be random.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius
You can still participate, you just can't reveal your role, your night actions (if any), or communicate by PM. It's in your interests to continue participating in the discussion, because you can still win if both mafia families are destroyed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
The lynchs seems to be carried by newbie players, I'd say.Quote:
Well like looking over the previous tally, and looking at whose been saying wut, the killings seem to be random.
It's a shame because I have a big clue who my killer could be because I sent them a message and strangely for them, they didn't reply and I ended up dead. Unfortunately, my communicate by PM could wrap an argument against them. :P
Nah, one of them is a Veteran.
I'm guessing that includes your buddies in Swords in the moon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Seeing, me and Caius didn't get any, you only contacted about 6 or less fellows, and you have a strong feeling that one of them at least is the killers.
You are free to name your suspect or otherwise cast suspicion on whoever you want. Just don't give any info on your previous actions or results, if you received any. It's common for dead people to say stuff like, "Lynch TinCow, I think he killed me" and other such things. It's then up to the rest of the players to figure out how credible your statements are, or to find ways to corroborate them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Not sure how much I am allowed to say. Rules state I can't talk about "communicate by PM", I am guessing that includes the number.
Problem is, there are a few people I suspect of being power roles, the thing is, which was the killer by remember what pm/replies. However there is the rule on that. There is only one that comes to mind.
I was wrong then. Looks like they are trying to appear to be newbies.
Sorry.
The rules only prevent you from PMing other players about the game after you are dead, they do not prevent you from posting in here. You are free to speak publicly as much as you want, within the limits imposed by the rules, which I have just gone over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
I think you can say who you sent the PM, yet you can't reveal what was inside the PM's that you sent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
It seems to be a common strategy lately. Of course, they won't continue to look like newbies once all of the newbies are dead... they've killed off three new-ish players already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius
I just hope it doesn't discourage them from playing mafia in the future...
They can join Fillet Royale and hope they get a better run :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaotix
Back to topic, FoS: Caius and Chaotix
Not a big FoS.. But I find it strange how you both are shouting "newish senators killed.. Shame on the killers." Almost as if they are trying to appear on the good side. WIFOM I know, but I'm just tossing up the ideas.
You know? You misunderstood. I am saying that killings are carried by newbies, not that the lynched ones. And I know, I wrote "the lynchs are made by newbies" when I meant "the killings..."Quote:
But I find it strange how you both are shouting "newish senators killed.. Shame on the killers."
I sent TinCow a pm, to make sure it is within the rules. Sorry to be a pain to everyone here and him, I don't want to accidently ruin the game, so it is to make sure.
However, I did edit my last post, before I realised people responded and quoted it. However, I would recommend a re-reading of it.
Vote:navarro951
?? okayQuote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Vote: Ichigo
Hey! What was that for? I'm pretty sure that was an unprovoked attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by navarro951
Why do you think the kills were random?
?? okay... why would you vote for him?Quote:
Originally Posted by navarro951
unprovoked? you just voted for me! And as i said there have been no major feuds so it has occurred to me that the bigger roles are straying in the dark is all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
I don't remember you saying that. You said you felt "out of the loop", but that probably means your in someone's loop.Quote:
Originally Posted by navarro951
:laugh4:
Ichigo is awesome.
This is part of what I asked TinCow to approve or not, so this is a cutback version of it.
I pm'd roughly 12-14 players in the beginning, my aim was to establish a private townie network. One way I did this was firstly send an very open ended offer, I did not mention my role and I stated I don't care what other peoples roles are. After all, I was interested in condition one and not two.
This is important because 2 of the replies demanded to know what faction I was.
Why would they do this? Only logical reason was because they were either consul/praetor or pomp/caesar or planning for win condition 2.
As for who my killer was, I left a big clue in my edited post.
How am I awesome?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaotix
Stand back! I gotta practice my STABBING! YAH YAH!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Vote: Ichigo
Why the hostility?Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Stabbing?Quote:
Stand back! I gotta practice my STABBING! YAH YAH!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
pevergreen, why were you overly concerned about beskar's faction?
I think we should all be overly concerned about the fact that navarro is mafia. That's pretty scary stuff don't you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Unvote: Ichigo, Vote: Sasaki
(as for the stabbing line, its a line from futurama thats come up in the D&D group I go to, it causes much hilarity)
Hah, nevermind, i don't have to say anything.
Both are scared. I mean, navarro votes Ichigo because he accuses him of being mafia. pevergreen votes Ichigo with a lame excuse and then he shifts the vote to Sasaki. Twice he did not say why. Or eluded to do so. Senators, what is going on here?
Well, in reference to what Sasaki posted, that is my view on them. Out of the 12-14 people I pm'd, those two stood out with the whole faction thing. I don't think my killer was posted in the message of that though.
Unvote: Pever
Vote: Navarro
BANDWAGON
Are we allowed to start declaring who we are?
I mean most of us don't have anything to hide and if people like Antony and Pompey Jr are around, then those would be the extremest won't they?
We can protect investigaters if they are any.
No. Each character name is historical--so to post your name is to reveal your faction. And that is not to our advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefy187
All we have to do is getting rid of Caesarians and Pompeiians yea?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
By doing this we may be able to find the extremest.
Then we can organise protection to those like Consuls
Also there is a dispute between Populares and Optimums.
LYNCH THE BANDWAGONER HE MUST BE TEH MAFIA IT SAYS SO IN DA RULES THAT BANDWAGON IS A MAFIA SCUMMER THING TO DO SO KHAAN IS MAFIA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinseikhaan
UNVOTE, VOTE: KHAAN
So, no one else thinks navarro is scum?
So no one else thinks chaotix is nuts? :clown:
Am I your alter-ego?Quote:
Originally Posted by spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Or am I your splitpersonality? :clown:
I wanna make a naughty post about me having your back right now, but I feel it will just go horribly wrong...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Probably a wise decision. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinseikhaan
Which we can choose to ignore and instead work together to rid Rome of Tyrants. For Now:Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius
Vote: Abstain
@Beskar: How did you decide which people to write? And why didn´t you write to everybody, if you wrote to 12 people there´s a big chance that you had mafia in there already...
navarro951 is the only one with a number in his username.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Vote : navarro951
Can you post your pm conversation with Beskar, please?
:sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
From those named by Beskar (as quoted by Sasaki), that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefy187
pevergreen, why did you vote Sasaki?
Lol, Beefy care to confirm whether or not you had a conversation with Beskar, if not it would appear to be navarro...
*scratches head*
Vote Abstain for the moment... hopefully change to something meaningful in a few hours...
Fellow Senators! It appears that yet again there have been murders tonight. It is clear that these will not halt until something is done with its vile perpretrators. Throughout this session, despite the flinging accusations that are common with last day, noble Ichigo has accused noble navarro of being a partizan, bent only on fulfilling the wishes of his master, whoever that may be, and contrary to the interests of the Republic. Though he has no clear argument to support his view both the behaviour of navarro and noble pevergreen have been extremely suspicious, but that doesn't prove anything. Still, not only due to that fact, but also due to the continual assassinations, I will no longer oppose Proscription measures, but I will not accuse someone I am not sure that is guilty.
Proscript: Abstain
Correct Vote Tally (I think):
Shinseikhaan: 1 (Chaotix)
pevergreen: 1 (Sasaki)
navarro: 3 (Ichigo, Khaan, Andres)
Ichigo: 1 (navarro)
Sasaki: 1 (pevergreen)
Abstain: 3 (AggonyDuck, LittleGrizzly, Jolt)
Haha, I like Andres thinking. It could be reference to number in username or that part could just be a reply to (Beefy?) who wondered how many I asked and I was referring to the number I sent messages too, which would mean that wasn't the clue I was trying to drop. Unfortunately, I don't want to outwardly name my killer, as I could be wrong... but I left a clue in the message for those who would try to decipher it and want it as a tip.
@Khazaar: Basically, I randomly picked from usernames on the list which I would either had a neutral or positive relationship with from the list. Obviously, if I was trying to establish a network together, I had to metagame guess a little to who would might have complied. I keep the number small because if all 8 power roles got the message, my chances would have been far slimmer. Since 3 have been named, I will explain why I messaged them initially.
Pevergreen - He does the vanilla mod and seems a nice guy, he also tried to get me to be one of the infamous pevers too.
GeneralHankerchief - Swords of the Moon, we were both on the infamous innocent list and were the last two survivors at the time, so a slight possible kinship from that.
Navarro - Completely neutral relation with, as I haven't played a game with him before.
Vote: Abstain
I would like to hear much more from this Navarro first before we move to condemn him. The current evidence, in the light in which it was gathered, makes me highly suspicious of it's reliability.
Hm, Beskar could you be less cryptic and just FoS your suspect?
Numbers may not just refer to a username, there could be an alliance system that works between people by using numbers.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's one set up already.
i.e.
Et cetera.Quote:
PM's back and forth
To person 1 from organizer: "I'd like to kill tonight, are you in?"
Person 1 back "Sure"
To person 2 from organizer: "I'd like to kill *name* tonight, we already have another person, let's call him number 1 for now, are you in?"
At some stage, yes, all 4 conspirators would have to know names, but maybe someone slipped up and said a name with a number, something that someone could use to figure out (another PM recipient?)
All speculation of course :rolleyes2:
Sorry Andres, I want to see if anyone picked up on it. I still want to have a little fun as it was the Last Night I was alive, after all.
Unvote : navarro951; vote : pevergreen
He seems scummier to me than navarro.
a) Why did you vote Sasaki; b) why did you insist that Beskar would tell you his faction?
OK Back. wow, I now have no idea what the hell is going on.... :sweatdrop:
so Vote: abstain, I would try and sort everything that just happened out, But I am tired as hell.
It would be more helpful if you'd just name your suspect instead of letting us waste time reading clues in your post that aren't there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
vote: pevergreen for wanting to know beskar's faction.
ohh, for anyone who wants to know, both Tiberius of the drake, and I were contacted by Beskar. in fact night 2 he contacted me asking for help with a vigilante kill, but never sent the final details.
Tally.
Shinseikhaan: 1 (Chaotix)
pevergreen: 3 (Sasaki, Andres, W&f)
navarro: 2 (Ichigo, Khaan)
Ichigo: 1 (navarro)
Sasaki: 1 (pevergreen)
Abstain: 4 (AggonyDuck, LittleGrizzly, Jolt, YLC)
We are lacking evidence of pevergreen being mafia. Ichigo claims navarro to be mafia. Those clues are very weak to cast a vote. Vote:No Proscription
Vote:Abstain
I just realised the difference between abstaining and voting for no lynching (~:idea::shame:) and there is still nobody I am suspicious of.
You kno what...I actually like to play these games and it seems everyone is bandwagoning or just voting to be funny. Ichigo voted for me...whatever.
Unvote: Ichigo, Vote: Abstain.
There is the fact you demanded to know what faction I was.
Anger... you've got two votes. Hardly a bandwagon. But why are you angry?Quote:
Originally Posted by navarro951
Well you approached me in complete randomness, and with no backing. I wanted to at least know who you were from so that i would not end up an easy target if you have friends er sumthing in this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Im not saying the bandwagon is on me, im saying everyone is voting for :daisy: and giggles. No one is presenting any case to their vote. At least Beskar has his suspicions cuz he got killed. He approached all those people, and because i wanted to know what factions he was (actually hoping to befriend him) i am the bad guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Also, his response to me asking his allegiance was..."My allegiance is simply this, I am a friend of Rome and the Senate. You have nothing to fear from me as I will for the betterment of the people."
Now how am i supposed to take that and simply believe it? If i could of killed him wouldnt it of been that round? We hadnt spoke at all after that.
That is how you have to play it. You need to communicate a lot by private message as is said in the beginning. I never revealed one because as I said in the initial message, I don't care about what faction you are, I was only interested in the Caesarian/Pomp lynching. You responded to my offer asking what my alignment was, I replied saying I only served Rome and her Senate saying that the faction doesn't matter (because of condition one), then you responded saying it wasn't good enough.
Pevergreen did the same thing as well.
Also, that answer was actually perfect to believe in, want to know why? Only people who care about faction is Consul/Praetor/Caesarian/Pomp as their winning condition is to kill those of the opposite faction to them, so only them need/want to know what faction people are.
Well, if you were doing the same you probably could, but since you aren't I guess it would be hard. No, since he would point you out, but you still decided to kill him too early it seems.:sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by navarro951
Who were you PMing?
Woah! Liar! I never messaged you back, after that message I felt completely suspicious and left it at that. Dont make off with this one. I never said "you arent good enough" so dont even start with the lies friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
First of all, i did not kill him. And no i couldnt, just because his message seemed all friendly and harmless i am supposed to just put my guard down. Dont think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Not a lie, it would have been a mistake. If it wasn't you, it was Pevergreen that replied with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by navarro951
Are you sure? Only someone concerned with eliminating the other faction would be concerned with what faction people are in. Only someone who already has abilities wouldn't want to be apart of a group, which would give them some abilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by navarro951
Well pever may off, but our las message was the one of you telling me who you were, i ended it at that as to make no more confrontations between us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Clarification: The Consuls and Praetor have the same victory conditions as the regular senators of their respective factions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
I will Vote: Abstain for now, I'm not at all convinced about the "case" against pevergreen and navarro. Yet, we have to start lynching people. I'll have to think about it some more though.
Seeing as he allegedly didn't want faction info from anyone, how would you joining his group compromise you in anyway? Unless you have a role with some powers already, joining a group to use regular senator powers seems like a pretty good idea. I'm not saying you're guilty, but your reason for asking his faction makes little sense to me. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by navarro's reason for asking Beskar's faction
perhaps i want to know whom i would be joining. wut if i dont want to faction A because i like faction B? What if dont trust the people i think are in with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFlax
Why would you prefer a faction over the other unless you are pursuing a faction based victory? Who exactly don't you trust?Quote:
Originally Posted by navarro951
navarro has a point, and pevergreen is looking more scummy by the moment as he doesn't even respond to the case brought against him.
Unvote: khaan, vote: pevergreen
No more ":daisy:&giggles" votes from me. :laugh4:
EDIT: To clarify the "point" for those who don't see, perhaps navarro doesn't want to pursue his faction victory. He still has a reason to pursue Beskar's faction, because Beskar contacted him out of the blue and tried to get him to join in a night action. Perhaps Beskar doesn't care what faction navarro is yet, but he is looking for the faction of the target, or knows the faction and is for that reason killing him. Thus, navarro is right to be at least a little suspicious.