Hugues stands again.
I second edict 2.5.
Also, if elected Seneschal, I would cede all diplomatic negotiations with the Anglais to the King. His Majesy knows them better than I. This way we would avoid. . .um. . .any misunderstandings.
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Hugues stands again.
I second edict 2.5.
Also, if elected Seneschal, I would cede all diplomatic negotiations with the Anglais to the King. His Majesy knows them better than I. This way we would avoid. . .um. . .any misunderstandings.
Alain reacts visibly to the words of the King, though not obvious, the tightening of his features and a slight narrowing of the eyes can be seen to all.
He rises slightly from his seat at the news of the Princess, but quickly resumes his seat in an effort of control.
Finally he shakes his head slightly as Duc Hugues makes his announcement. As the Duc finishes his statement he rises slowly and says in a quite but clear voice.
"I would seem prudent to determine if de Neufville is able to run for ze position of Seneschal."
Glancing at the throne for a moment.
"We would not want any misunderstandings before proceeding on zis and other matters of state."
What misunderstandings? Why shouldn't he be qualified? He holds land given to him by the King. What other qualification does he need?
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*Gontran rises to respectfully address the Duc.*
Mon Duc,
You may not be aware that Toulouse is currently capable of training a large number of light cavalry. Construction is underway on stables that will allow us to produce heavy cavalry. Fear not, we can adequately provide for the kingdom.
What the castle currently lacks is the ability to produce adequate infantry. Perhaps an exchange of light horse for spear militia would satisfy our current defensive needs.
Construction takes time and barring any “forgetfulness” on behalf of the Seneschal we can provide you with all your military needs.
:bow:
Alain shakes his head with a rather incredulous look. He seems to be a little more animated than before, perhaps warming to the current topic, his accent thickening.
I seems quite incredible just how transparent ze Order of ze Fleur de Lys is, no?
Turning to Yvon he continues in a slightly condescending tone.
"I am sure my comments wont derail your man becoming ze next Seneschal.
Zis is just a small side show which perhaps provides a small bump in ze road to a preeminent position in ze Realm for ze Order.
You have ze ear of ze right man so...euh...zere is nozing to fear no?
I am simply asking how a province can be 'anded over before it is ratified.
Because...euh...Edict 2.1 'as not been passed, zerefore it is in ze King Demesne at zis time, no?
Or am I just being, 'ow you say..euh, 'inconvenient', no?
Of course I will pardon myself in advance if zis in not seen in a ze spirit of good will...euh, per'aps I 'ave been unduly influenced recently.
Again a glance a the throne.
Per'aps ze his most royal majesty, ze King of France, could make some comment for ze less enlightened nobles of ze realm, no?
The King raises his hand, abruptly stopping all debate around the chamber, as all eyes turn towards the dais.
Mes Seigneurs,
The land has been granted but it has not yet been ratified by the Conseil. So if this Conseil doesn't see fit to ratify it, I'm afraid the Order will be deprived of its land.
Moreover, the land not being officially part of the Royaume pending its annexation cannot be considered a valid enough basis to run for the position of Senechal.
It is not that I do not trust Sieur de Neufville to make a good job of it but I fear that founding his term as Senechal on such unstable foundations would sap his authority and credibility, something which I could not condone.
The position must be one of respect and authority, subject only to the greater authority of the King.
Duc Hugues, I congratulate you on your candidacy.
It seems you will compete against me then in the upcoming election ?
For I will run for the position of Senechal myself.
Some time ago, a very wise remark was made by the Duc de Lorraine, from whom I quote :
Though that sounds like a truism, I cannot deny that it is full of good sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
I have convened this body to help in the governance of the Royaume and to elect a man to second me and deal with the day to day burden of administering France.
I do not think that this has been an error, not yet but I should not impose such a burden on men not as well prepared as us Kings and Princes to deal with it. I had not planned for the Senechal to lead the country in times of war... I hadn't even planned to go to war... It has been forced upon us through the treachery of an unknown party and our duty to defend the Holy Father from his German agressors.
I should have convened an emergency session of the Conseil as the war started but I feared words would be less useful than actions and so prefered to ride against our assaillants, knowing that you would prove to France's enemies how strong its knights and soldiers could be when under attack.
But now, it is time for me to face my responsibilities as your sovereign and make every effort to stabilize the situation.
Hence, I will strive to bring peace to our Eastern border and will finalize the deal with William that will reunite Bretagne with the rest of the Royaume, bringing to an end its almost insular isolation. My own involvement as Senechal in negociating these treaties should add some weight and credibility to the negotiating table.
Should our German "brothers in God", for I dare not call them enemies wish to pursue their campaigns against us, they will find us resolute and prepared. Troops will be recruited to help defend our territory and if our coffers' fullness allow, I intend to make improvements to our provinces, mainly by specializing them. I intend notably to establish a second recruitment center in the North and make Bruges the leading trading center of France.
For all of this is my responsibility.
I hope you will give me your confidence in the coming term to lead us to the greater glory that Franks merit.
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Chevalier, I know Toulouse is our only source of professional fighting men, I do not count peasants from Metz or militia from some of the cities. But it should not be our only one. Men can be recruited easily, but it takes time to bring them to the fighting.
Also if a company of horse needed to be replenished after a battle, let's say outside Antwerp, it would have to travel all the way to Toulouse to be reinforced.
I thank you for your generous offer, an example of the increase coordination we need, and as Seneschal would accept. However, we should have acceptable soldiers available throughout the Kingdom.
Edit: Hugues blathers on until the King's statement penetrates his skull.
Ah, huh. . .um. . .oops. Well, best of luck mon Roi.
The stinkeye that Hugues gives Reeves is one of incredible intensity.
They day has turned on the Duc. He appears a bit dumbstruck.
Ah, your Majesty. . .are you assuming the office of Seneschal? Or are you putting me in the horrifically awkward position of competing against my Sovereign in an election that has no secret ballot?
Alain glances at Yvon and Hermant, a smile of knowing surprise on his face.
"Mon ami, I am shocked, and saddened at zis turn of events.
Euh...I apologize like a man wiz no arms at zis small piece of merde zat 'as appeared in ze Order play for power and prestige. I can only throw myself down at your mercy and beg for forgiveness.
A tutor in astrology once said to me; "Alain, you are a prize winning prick and you may 'ave won zis battle, but I will win ze war."
Per'aps it shall be zis way for ze Order. I of course sincerely 'ope zat is ze case."
Turning to Hugues with a rueful shrug.
"I like ze poster you gave me my friend. Per'aps we can change ze date and give it a second run in 15 years no?
Turning to the throne, with perhaps a sincere smile on his face, Alain claps loudly.
Ze King is taking ze philly by ze tail it would seem. Ze ride shall be as smooth as silk from now on!!
It is good to be ze King no?
Long live King Phillip!!
Philippe acknowledges Alain's words with a nod and a somewhat surprised look upon his face. He then turns to face the benches of Lorraine.
Duc Hugues, I have no wish to make use of my prerogative to assume the position of Senechal as is my right... I prefer to keep that opportunity if ever a graver crisis should ever arise, God forbids.
I want to know if I can have the support of my nobles to conduct the policy that shall be best for the Royaume.
You're welcome to contest this, Hugues... And I encourage you to do so but I feel you may have a lot on your hands in the coming years fighting off German incursions if they cannot persuaded to relent... I would not wish you to die through carelessness because your mind would be so burdened by the day to day menial tasks of ruling the Royaume...
And know that I will hold no grudge against those that deem Hugues more competent than your King and cast their votes his way... It would belittle the meaning of this whole institution...
Alain laughs loudly at the most recent remarks.
Your majesty...ueh, would you be willing to stake a wager on ze ability for any man in zis council to successfully contest and win ze position of Senecschal against you?
You are indeed at least partially correct in my view my liege, because "it would belittle ze meaning of zis whole institution", if you were to contest ze elections without 'assuming' ze office, because no sane man stands a chance in an open election against 'is King.
Alain looks at Hugues and Gaspard with some interest.
Per'aps I am wrong?
Hugues's amazement turns to a grimace. The grimace turns to a wry smile. The wry smile to a predatory grin. His gaze is now fully focused on the King. He does not notice Reeves desperately trying to get his attention.
Your Majesty, how could I, as a loyal vassal, deny you a bit of sport? I hope the Stag will provide the Hunter with some amusement before he is inevitably felled by the hounds.
The Duc laughs and bows.
Thomas stands now to address the Conseil.
"I for one find no difficulty in voting for one other than the king in the contest for the Seneschal. Some will call me naive, but in such a matter we are not voting solely for approval or disapproval of the king's offer, but rather answering the question whether we approve of the idea of putting the two powerful offices in the hands of any warrior who finds himself in the thick of battle on so many occasions. Are we to risk all our eggs in one basket? What if, God forbid, a stray arrow or axe blade should meet our king in battle? Then we would be instantly deprived of two offices. Prince Louis would no doubt step in as king well enough, but there would also be a time of transition that could be dangerous to the Royaume. It is for this reason that my own vote would be a carefully considered one."
The King returns Hugues' mirthless grin.
I would expect no less of you, Hugues...
Then turning to Duc Alain
And Alain, do you truly think me so small-minded than I cannot forgive those that will against me ?
The promises of land have been made already... Had I been as small-minded as you portray me, I would have refrained from granting these provinces until after the election as a reward to those "loyal" vassals.
But I want a fair "fight"... Or rather I want to give the "stag" a chance, to quote Hugues.
Hugues smiles.
Yes, let the Stag have his chance.
I seem to be very quotable today. How fortunate for me.
Alain spreads his hands wide and with just a faint degree of insincerity in his tone responds.
I do not zink you small minded at all your Highness. You are nozing if not a broad minded forgiving King of great compassion and honour.
You do us a humble courtesy in granting lands before ze election to zose loyal to 'our' cause.
I am very certain ze Stag shall be given as much fairness as ze royal will allows. Nozing else should be demanded or expected, no?
The King glares at Alain
Spare me your sarcasm, Alain...
If you cannot bear the just criticism of your Sovereign, for failing to accomplish the tasks he set you, you should at least refrain from insulting him.
Your own House would surely have been one of the best served in the land allotment if you had simply managed to finalize the deal with Guillaume. So do not lay the blame that your House fell short in the distribution... Sweep before your own door, my dear Alain...
Hugues grows serious.
Mon Roi, mon Seignuers I am afraid it has been a long day. I must rest. Perhaps in my absence the Conseil would like to pose questions to the candidates? You know like a real election?
The characters involved should not outweigh the issues facing the Realm. Though this may prove difficult.
Hugues bows and withdraws.
Maintaining the overly formal tone the young Duc smiles while speaking.
"Euh...sarcasm, you misread me my most esteemed liege.
I am but a failure in your eyes zat is clear and I 'ope ze nobles 'ere 'ave finally understood zat no?
It is of course my pleasure to confirm to everyone present zat I am entirely at fault and would never dream of even zinking of insulting my King. If I 'ave given zat impression I will immediately 'ave someone flogged for my insolence.
Your allotment was nozing short or fair and just my lord. As honour demands I 'ave understood ze lesson and I am in fully support your approach to ze matter towards Bretagne. We are simply not worzy of anyzing and must strive to please you in ze future. I shall begin speaking wiz ze Order to better understand what zat is.
In addition I shall begin sweeping my doorstep immediately.
Pray tell my King.
What am I sweeping?
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I am sorry, but have I become a member of the Order without me knowing? Perhaps you have mistaken for someone else Duc. I for one do not agree with some of the orders methods that is for sure, and so the comparison surely wounds me.
Yvon turns to the king
My King if that is what you believe I will follow you, however I am finding it hard to trust the shifty English with anything. I would be overjoyed if this diplomatic venue was successful, but I have some serious doubts.
Peace, Chevalier Yvon - has the standing of the Order fallen so low that to be falsely associated with us is regarded as wounding? For my part, I am grateful to the Duc of Bretagne for his service to the realm as Seneschal. And yes, Duc Alain, the Order is very transparent - we are an Order of Chivalry established to defend the Kingdom and serve the King. We do precisely that and no more.
I offer my commiserations to my Captain, Gaspard Neufville, and offer my apologies to him for my having been premature with regard to the Order's possession of Antwerp. Given the unanticipated legal technicality regrading the transfer of ownership, I would humbly request that both candidates for Seneschal regard Gaspard as the de facto governor of Antwerp if the transfer is ratified and the King grants Antwerp to the Order. If the King wishes to establish a military centre in the North, perhaps Antwerp would be suitable? I would urge Gaspard to communicate privately with the King on this matter.
I wish both His Majesty and the Duc of Lorraine all the best in their competition for the post of Seneschal.
Bertin laughs at Hermant's words.
Antwerp!? A military centre?! Antwerp is a merchant town. It's residents are too soft and flabby to amount to anything in the field. I'll fight alongside the peasants of Metz a thousand times before I trust my life to some "knight" of Antwerp.
Hugues claps Bertin on the shoulder.
Now Baron, the Order must make do with what they have been given, as must we all.
Hugues looks about the chamber.
So, no questions for the Candidates? I'm a bit surprised. I would've thought someone would have raised the topic of a Moorish Crusade again. That was quite popular during the last session.
Or perhaps the topic of the stubborn Scots and their refusal of an alliance, "What's to be done about them?" I can imagine someone asking. And maybe they would have a clever follow up like, "And if we are to deal diplomatically with les Anglais, should we still push for an alliance that may drag us into war with them?"
But actually a question has been asked of one of the Candidates. It was just earlier before his Majesty decided to run.
Thomas walked around it a bit, I must admit, but it is a valid question.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnightnDay
Hugues turns to the King.
Your Majesty, what specifically, in lands, money and political agreements, will you offer England for Caen and Angers in Edict 2.4?
Your Majesty seems to have specifics in mind, since you were quite wroth at Duc Alain for not meeting your requirements.
Edit: I suppose I should restate my own answer to this one.
If I knew what exactly the King would offer, I might place an upward limit, if the Conseil thought it wise, on what his Majesty could add as a sweetener if the English prove, once again, obstinate.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
Oh, Reeves has posted an updated list of Legislation.
Hugues speaks again.
Ah. . .I've already stated my opposition to Amendment 2.1, so I'll propose this instead:
Edict 2.6: If Caen, Angers or Bordeaux are acquired during this term they shall be considered ratified and an integral part of the Realm.
OOC: I proposeI believe I mentioned early that they AI doesn't do this, so I think it's best that we don't do it either in order to minimize our advantages.Quote:
Rules Change 2.1: Settlements may not be converted from city to castle, or from castle to city.
OOC: I second Rules Change 2.1
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Your Majesty, I wonder if you would consider revising Edict 2.2 so that it is contingent on the Reich remaining within the Church? Suppose the Reich is excommunicated for constantly attacking us and the Holy Father calls a crusade against it. With Edict 2.2, we would be forced to stand aside and watch good Christians die for us while we do nothing. If the Reich becomes an outcast nation, I do not believe we need constrain ourselves in the manner of Edict 2.2.
Gaspard rises to speak.
Bon messieurs, it has come to mon attention that I am unable to run for the office of Seneschal. This is of little consequence as now that mon Roi has indicated he is standing, I respectfully withdraw my candidacy anyway.
I do apolgise to this esteemed chamber for once again standing in error, for a position so important to the governing of the land. Do forgive me.
On other matters, it has come to mon attention that we have only one decent port, and that is in the Comte de Toulouse. I am concerned that we have no ports capable of sustaining any meaningful trade or providing the rudimentary ships for transporting horses and men upon our northern shores. Indeed, the Duc d'Bretagne was forced to hire shipping in order to make his excursion to Wales. I sincerely hope that we need not be forced to do so again.
Therefore, I propose the following Edict.
Edict 2.7: "During the next Seneschal's term, a port is to be constructed in either Bretagne(Rennes), Flandres(Bruges), or Brabant(Antwerp)."
The cost of such a construction is high, but I believe that the trade alone should be worth the investment."
Gaspard resumes his seat.
A figure rises from the back benches of the Bretagne section...
I second Edict 2.6 and 2.7
They appear to be very sound proposals.
Robert goes back to his seat...
I also second Edict 2.6 and Edict 2.7.
Having listened silently to the debate, Philippe speaks calmly.
Sieur Mauvoisin, you have pointed a flaw in my reasoning in Edict 2.2. I had taken for granted that his Holiness would send the same warning to the warring factions on both sides of the border and that both would heed his call for peace or truce, should I say.
I did count on Emperor Maximilian to be different from Heinrich and be more pious, but there's nothing to guarantee it. He may be cast in the same mold as his predecessor.
Thus you proposed amendment of my proposal makes sense.
I'll rephrase the Edict.
Edict 2.2a : No further attacks are to be made on the Reich for the next Senechal term and suitable negotiations will be held with the Kaiser to regain a state of neutrality. Defending against attacks from the Reich doesn't impinge on this Edict..Should the Reich be excommunicated, the present edict will be void and agressive action will be authorized on all Imperial assets. If any provinces should be acquired in this fashion, they will be considered ratified.
I'll also give my support to Edicts 2.5 to 2.7, as seconds are not needed anymore.
As to the question of my deal with my cousin Guillaume, I prefer to keep the specifics secret for now and until the Senechal is chosen. Diplomacy is a very sensible matter and telling too much too early may well cause it to fail.
Let us simply say that I specifically had asked the previous Senechal to propose an alliance to my cousin Guillaume as a gesture of goodwill before proposing to make an exchange of our lands, something which the Senechal admittedly didn't do. It remains to determine if that was his fault for not conveying the information to the diplomat he sent or a blunder of the diplomat. Whatever the cause, I consider that the fault is to be laid at the Senechal's feet.
Philippe suddenly adds
Oh... and I forgot to reconduct Edict 1.11. I wouldn't like some fool-hardy noble to get ideas.
So I propose :
Edict 2.8 : No armies under French command (OOC : under the command of an ingame avatar or an ingame avatar) shall cross the borders into Norman (English) lands for the duration of the King's truce, which is to be ended only by direct declaration from the King. The Seneschal shall be required to immediately disband the armies of any general who violates this Edict. Said edict will be suspended if the Seneschal successfully negociates military access or an alliance with England , and while that agreement lasts.
Alain stands.
Indeed your 'ighness. Zat seems to be where one of ze misunderstanding lie.
I would ask ze assembled nobles a question.
Alain turns to the chamber as a whole.
Should alliance offers be ratified by ze Conseil and not arbitrarily offered, particularly to an old enemy?
The Duc of Bretagne raises an interesting constitutional question. However, if a candidate for Seneschal stands for election on a platform that includes offering an alliance, then reasonable men would regard that alliance as approved by the Conseil should it elect that candidate. I also would hesitate to call the King's proposed alliance arbitrary. When we are at war on our east, an alliance to keep the peace on our west would appear prudent - not arbitrary. If it paves the way to a rationalisation of our borders, even better - especially for Bretagne.
On a related matter, I second Edict 2.4.
Alain turns to Hermant.
"I zink you will 'ave to remind me Ser Hermant where I said I would offer an alliance to ze English as part of my term as Seneschal.
I am quite certain I did not.
Alain glances at the throne.
Instead I was instructed to do so by one of god's representatives on earth.
Zat seems razer arbitrary to me, no?
Last time I gazed at ze English, we were not trying to kill each ozer. Zat would seems peaceful to me."
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The Moorish crusade has not been forgotten, fear not for that. But The War with the Germans surely takes precedent. This is not the best time for any house to be sending there strength abroad. Sadly we must worry about ourselves for now, and only after we are secure may we turn our eye to help the good Christians of Spain.
However I do have a question for you Good Duc, How do you plan on promoting better communication between the various houses and commanders?
I apologise, Duc Alain. When I spoke of a Seneschal offering an alliance, I thought we were debating the future course of France, not contemplating the past.
"Indeed Ser Hermant, I was referring to ze Kings comments regarding my time in office.
'e spoke in ze past tense if you examine 'is comments closely.
I was instructed to do somezing zat I regarded as arbitrary and wiz out first consulting zis council.
As you say good ser, it is an intriguing constitutional question no?"
Alain sits slowly, making sure to hold Hermant's gaze in earnest inquiry.
Hermant rises:
Duc Alain, I see you are sincere in your inquiry. I confess I am no constitutional expert, as my misunderstanding over Antwerp has proven. Quickly scrutinising our Charter, I can find no mention of alliances at all - although an ammendment was passed forbidding diplomatic exchanges with Mohammadans. Currently, therefore, alliances with non-Mohammadans seem to fall within the discretion of the Seneschal although future edicts and proclamations may constrain him. By contrast, declarations of war are prohibited except when authorised in advance or when made by the King. I suppose the question is, would we prefer the default position of the Seneschal with respect to alliances to be one of freedom (as is the case now) or of prohibition (as in the case with war)? However, in either case, if the King has the right to make the extreme step of declaring war, I would imagine he would also be empowered to take the surely lesser step of forming an alliance.
Hugues stands with a prepared speech.
If the King quotes me, it is only fair that I quote his Majesty.
10 seasons ago the King addressed the Conseil concerning the English and war:
Four seasons later, we were at war, declared by the King, not against the English, but the Germans. I guess we were ready for a war with the Empire, but not England. The King also said:Quote:
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Would leaving the governing of the realm in the hands of others include declaring war against the Empire? Trying to cajole and then threaten the standing Seneschal into making an alliance with our sworn enemy? Or pressuring him into taking Caernarvon and Dublin, only to cast him aside when he failed to do exactly what his Majesty demanded of him? Why weren't any of these matters brought to the Conseil when it was in Session or after?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tristan de Castelreng
Having failed to govern the realm through an unwilling proxy and behind the back of the Conseil, the cycle begins again, yet this time dispensing with the proxy. We have an edict, 2.4, authorizing negotiations, but no specifics, no mention of an Alliance. In fact I doubt the King would even give us these crumbs without prodding. The Conseil has not been consulted on an offer of an Alliance. We have not been given the exact terms for the negotiations. Nor have we been asked about whether an Alliance with England, our old enemy, is wanted or advisable.Quote:
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This election is about whether this Conseil is simply a rubber stamp or not. And if the Seneschal, the elected represenative of the Conseil, is only a Clerk or not. Are the Nobles of France to have any say in the affairs of the Kingdom? Do you want an independent Seneschal, or not one at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tristan de Castelreng
I ask for your vote, I ask for the Conseil to stand up for its rights, I ask you to take what is yours.
I also propose:
Edict 2.9: An alliance with England is authorized.
and
Edict 2.10: An alliance with England shall not be authorized, negotiated or accepted.
Our voice will be heard.
I second Edicts 2.9 and 2.10.
I second edicts 2.9 and 2.10
Good Lord! The pace of conversation is dizzying. :dizzy2:
So to is Gaspard's notion that a simple port will bring great trade. I suspect he also believes a grain exchange allows us to send a merchant abroad.
Edict 2.7 will profit us nothing. Let us focus on the rich trade of the Mediterranean. The silks of the east are far more profitable than the snow of the north.
[OOC: This is Lands To Conquer boys ~;) ]
Raynaud de Xaintrailles:
I was asked for my story; my take on matters, if I am not mistaken.
As previously stated, the Princess Constance is back in French territory and is even now in recovery from her ordeal. She was not treated kindly during her time in the Reich, although this is the fault of her abductor more so than any official work of the Kaiser or his underlings. Speaking of which, I did manage to meet with the now-former Kaiser, who expressed a very strong desire for peace with us...
*sotto voce* ...and discussed his views on religion as well.
But he is dead now, and only time will tell if his successor shares the same views as he.
That is my report to the Conseil - ah, wait. On our way back, we were accosted by a group of Italian mercenaries. They were defeated without incident, but they seemed to be targeting the Princess for some reason. Perhaps further investigation into the matter will be required.
I dwell little on this now. It is clear that the time is not yet ripe for a Moorish Crusade, though my heart still burns to send the heretical Mohammedans straight to Hell for their blasphemy against the Lord and His Son. In the meantime, I shall do my lord's bidding, and prepare for the happy day where we may begin saving the good people of Iberia's souls for good.
Alain smiles to himself and stands.
I also second Edicts 2.9 and 2.10
I second Edict 2.8. However, according to the last report, it still requires a further seconder. Will one of the King's loyal Councillors second his edict, so at least it may be put to a vote?
Simon turns to Xaintrailles.
Will this be all the information we will receive? Who abducted her and why? How come the Kaiser himself didn't know about it even though he was at the same time waging war against us?
Taking nobility prisoner is known to happen at times of war, but mistreating another noble. It's downright disgusting! Kaiser Heinrich has deservedly been killed by the hands of our Roi. A liege is always responsible for the actions of his vassals.
Maybe that's why he let the Princess go? Or did you have to make some other kind of arrangement? And if the Kaiser let her go, why were you being followed and harrassed by mercenaries? Were they sent by a third party?
There are still a lot of questions and I can only hope for the safety of the Princess that we will find the answers to all of them.
Edit:
Oh and I second Edict 2.8.
Raynaud de Xaintrailles:
From what I have learned, the Princess was kidnapped by a minor noble who acted of his own volition. It appears that he had been pursuing her for some time. The Kaiser let her (and I) go only on the condition that we persuade the Conseil and particularly the King that our release was done as a gesture of good faith on his part, although this hardly matters now. He expressed desire for peace between our two nations, and...
*He hesitates for a second, then crosses himself*
...said that he had more pressing matters to worry about.
As for the mercenaries, I know very little, other than the fact that they were Italian.
Hugues nods.
Italian mercenaries, very fierce, do anything for coin, I'm sure they get blamed for all sorts of things.
Shame about Heinrich, I almost feel sorry for killing the poor bugger's son.
Hugues smiles at Raynaud.
Capital job saving rescuing the Princess. I had not imagined you had such a silver tongue Chevalier. Perhaps there's a future for you in diplomacy. We could set you on the English, make them see the error of their ways.
Raynaud de Xaintrailles:
You are too kind, Duc. During our conversation, I got the impression that the Kaiser was simply using me as an outlet to vent his frustrations with life.
(OOC: He is on fire with the KotR connections, ladies and gentlemen!)
Yes. It appears he has picked up some interesting traits. *ahem*Quote:
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Gaspard de Neufville, aftering bearing the boring silence for too long, rises to speak.
"Bon messieurs, I wish to second Proclamation 2.1.
I believe that should any land be purchased by the Seneschal, it would naturally occur with consultation with la Roi and the major landholders of the royaume. Sometimes, it might be necessary to purchase land and utilise it immediately; without having it ratified through this body. Such an action should be used sparingly, however."
Gaspard resumes his seat.
Thierry de Rochefort had been following the proceedings, but he wasn't really paying attention. In the middle of the Counsel, a messenger entered the building and handed over a parchment to the scribe next to Thierry.
The man looked at the parchment and he suddenly had a sad expression on his face. He looked at Thierry and whispered something in his ear.
Thierry remained calm for a brief moment, then the façade cracked. With a roaring scream and tears in his eyes, he stood up. He hit the scribe with his fist, breaking the poor mans' jaw.
Thierry left the Conseil.
It was raining. The wind played with his cloak.
He softly whispered to himself.
"Maman! Pourquoi?"
He jumped on his horse and rode away, without leaving a message.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Hugues stands and speaks to the nearly empty chamber.
My lords, remember, if the King is victorious in this election, it is likely his Majesty will then retain the office after this term using his prerogative. For some this will be fine and dandy, but I thought I'd point it out.
Hugues leans back in his chair, puts his feet up on his desk and takes a swig of wine as Reeves hands him the latest tallies.
As the election results come in to the chamber, Alain glances at the throne.
"So!"
In a manner that clearly represents a break in his normally flippant and formal demeanor in the council, Alain thumps his mailed fist on the bench forcefully.
"We are done!"
Hugues stumbles back into the Conseil. He looks hung over and battered.
I am grateful for the honor the Realm. . .eventually. . .bestowed upon me. I will serve the King and the Conseil with justice and fortitude. We face difficult times, but we will persevere.
Here is my first report. Reeves wrote out most of it.
I had just gotten back to my men at the Moselle when the Germans attacked, sneaky bastards! Put paid to them.
I would also like to announce that Thomas de Saint-Amand, who yet again has proved his worth in battle, is now the Baron of Franconia. I congratulate him!
I hope his new Barony isn't reduced to a cinder before he sees it.
Hugues scans a few reports, including some notes from Reeves, and stands. He looks a bit more refreshed, if still tired. He sketches a bow.
My King, Dauphin and Nobles of the Realm. I have received some requests for mercenary recruitment. Chevalier Gaeten de Rethel has taken position in a mountain pass between Bern and Dijon. He has requested a company of crossbowmen.
The King wishes reinforcement so that he may move from Frankfurt and engage Kaiser Maximillian but leave a garrison.
I would prefer if all future requests for troops, mercenary or recruited, including prioritizations, be made in the Conseil. This would make them easier to track and to ensure the left hand knows what the right hand is doing.
(OOC: It well also, I hope, encourage discussion in this thread between sessions.)
Seignuer Gaeten de Rethel's request is denied. 860 Florins is a great deal of money. He has no other men besides his retinue. Barring future developments, we have enough forces in the area to respond to a German incursion.
As for the mercenaries the King requests, I need more specifics as to what his Majesty needs. There are three companies of crossbowmen and two companies of spearmen available for hire in the area. Certainly to face down the Kaiser, I will not skimp, but purchasing the services off all those companies would cost nearly 4,000 florins.
Hugues checks his notes.
Which is 2/5ths of our current treasury and our entire income for the season.
Given that Dijon can only recruit one type of unit, I think I am being specific enough when I say I want my three unit prioritizations fulfilled as soon as possible. At least they're cheap.
Hugues nods to Raymond.
To be honest, I had not reviewed all troop requests yet. (OOC: I'll be printing out the SOT thread and doing recruitment at the end of the turn. It might be a good idea to delete old prioritizations and flag new ones.)
The Duc raises a good point, prioritizations of troop recruitment come before all other expenditures, including mercenaries:
This is part of the reason I wish to make requests public. Certainly Duc Raymond needs men to defend Dijon, but the King needs men to repulse the Kaiser. Also, Dijon can only recruit so many companies this season. I would also like to have Florins to build. I hope we can hammer out a compromise where everyone is satisfied.Quote:
(3) Prioritized Units - No money can be spent on any recruitment until all Prioritized Units have been funded, unless the Nobles who Prioritized them agree otherwise. If there are multiple Prioritized Units, and not enough funding for all of them, the Chancellor may choose which to recruit first. Nobles may specify any of his settlements for the unit to be recruited from, and any unit available for hire in that settlement to be recruited. Artillery and mercenaries cannot be Prioritized. A unit may be retrained instead of recruited if the unit is already located in a settlement where it can be retrained in some fashion.
OOC: The save window is going to be extended until all these first season issues are sorted out.
I congratulate the Seneschal on his election. I agree with my Duc that prioritised units should be ... err.. prioritised. However, if only one company can be trained at Dijon each season, perhaps he and our other landed gentry would allow the Seneschal to hire mercenaries for the King?
On the matter of mercenaries, I believe our Monarch is astute to favour them over militia when it comes to battle. Yes, they cost more than militia but they also are much better equipped and trained. Militia are ideal for garrison duty and lesser actions. But it would be heartless and perhaps reckless to send untrained and unarmoured militia into a major battle against superior numbers when we could hire well armed professionals. When we have the capacity to train our own armoured infantry, mercenary foot may then become an unnecessary indulgence. However, even then, I fear that we will never train crossbowmen who can match the range of the arbalests of the mercenaries and some of our neighbours.
Raoul stands and, clearly unused to speaking publically, clears his throat
My congratulations also to our new Senschal. I hope he will fulfill his duties with the same deviotion and professionalism as the last.
I don't speak here often, as I am a fighter not an orator. But it seems the conversation has strayed into my sort of territory.
First, Bourgogne needs men. I realize I am speaking for my own Duchy here, but unlike the other Duchies, Bourgogne has partaken in no aggressive expansion, has not used up resources. We are on the front lines, however, and it cannot be that we are overlooked. In fact, as it is a matter of some urgency, what I would really like to see is the other Duchies allowing us to recruit from their lands.
Secondly, mercenaries. If you want my fighting opinion, they are overpaid, dirty, untrustworthy and unfortunately worth every penny we spend on them at the moment. But what France needs is a potent force of her own, and what that force must be is armoured knights on horseback. This is how we held back the Moors at the Battle of Tours and Poitiers and this is how we will hold back any foreign aggressor. Infantry is a waste of time and resources, mercenaries and militia are perfectly suited to fulfill that role: to bulk up the ranks.
Thirdly, and here I am speaking in an area of which I know little, I cannot say I like the idea of any long-term hold on Frankfurt. It is German, has always been German and will remain German and trying to impose a French sovereign on them will only lead to trouble. I say trade it off as soon as practicable.
"May I ask how the Seneschal expects me to hold the southern pass from Bern with nothing?"
I see our new Seneschal has asked that Toulouse be 'opened' for recruitment. I will do him one better, I have brought two unblooded companies of Mounted Sergeants with me from Toulouse. I will donate those to the defense of the realm and allow them to be allocated as the Seneschal wishes this very season. (OOC: When I do my move I'll leave the two not-veteran companies in place. I'm altering my SoT but this constitutes permission as far as I'm concerned)
As far as recruitment from my castle, however, I must say I am displeased with the state of our defenses along the southern borders. I trust none of the powers that flank us there. I have left my vassals in place to defend, but they have very few men to do so, and thus I propose a compromise. For every company of cavalry I release to the Seneschal's discretion I ask a company of archers be trained for the defense of my lands. A good starting point would be retraining the mercenary crossbowmen at Valencia this season, so that Sir de Xaintraillies has a better chance of defending our furthest flung holding. A company or two of Town Militia at Marseille would not strike me amiss either, and their upkeep would be supported by the locals.
I do not wish to seem greedy, but cavalry are the strength of our realm. If I am to sacrifice my strength while my own lands are vulnerable it seems only fair that I take some recompense.
Congratulations on your election Duke Hugues.
:egypt:
Raoul sighs
Prince Louis, it seems we both agree and disagree. Your point regarding cavalry is well made. I salute your releasing them, and of course would not be displeased to see one or both go to Bourgogne.
I disagree in part with your assessment on our southern borders. As to the feelings of our neighbours towards us you may be correct, but I ask you if this might not be due to the fact that we, and by we I mean the Duchy of Aquitaine, expanded quite ruthlessly into what the rulers of Spain considered their lands?
And now, we need more and expensive militia to hold them.
As to you, Sieur de Rethel, might one enquire why the defence of this Swiss pass is vital to the continued existence of our realm? And if it is, why you are the one defending it?
The Prince offers de Chatillon a genuine smile before speaking,
No need to be circumspect; your own lands are under greater threat and so you question any recruitment away from them. I comprehend this, however, the Moors and English are the neighbors I primarily mean, not to forget the Milanese. Rumors have it that the Moors are gathering forces once more, and we've no cavalry at all other than Sir de Xaintraillies' own bodyguards to meet them. I ask only a few peasant archers, who are cheap, and perhaps some crossbowmen, to answer that threat and offer you the best cavalry our realm has in exchange.
I will also point out at this time that I rode north, halting that expansion to no benefit of my own House, the very instant I learned of the threat here. If my wife is any proof the Spanish will curse, scream, pitch fits... and keep their word to the bitter end, loyal as a dog. I see no reason to doubt them at this time, but I see little strength in their realm either. If we do not aid them the Moors will sweep them aside and be at our doorstep, a doorstep which has very few men watching it and enemies on all sides.
My motives are utterly transparent. I wish the realm to benefit, but I wish my House and lands to be secure as well. Can you truly find fault with this?
:egypt:
Mmm, yes, I should also note that I have moved with my remaining men into position to block any German move towards our lands out of Bern. You need not fear the enemy from that place.
:egypt:
You misunderstand me, my Prince. I was trying to bring neither your House nor you into any disrepute. Few nobles of this Kingdom can rightly claim to have done as much of you for our safety and prosperity.
I do find fault with our expanding into lands on which we have no claim, at least insofar as our purpose is for annexation rather than to trade them in for those lands to which we do have claim. House Aquitaine's expansion was, in this regard, the lesser of my worries.
But ultimately, I talk here of things I understand too little of. What I do understand is that my Duchy needs men, so I ask that any who can help do so.
If I may point out to members of the Conseil, that a member of our diplomatic corps, Geoffroi de Cressensacq has been enjoying a steady diet of wine and brie within the relaxed confines of Paris for the better part of a year now.
Perhaps the Seneschal might direct the fine gentleman to meet with a representative of the Kaiser without delay for the purpose of fulfilling the edict just approved, to seek an equitable peace with the Reich?
Well, um. . .I don't expect you too. Of course I didn't think you would move there in the first place. If you expect me to reinforce you because you've impulsively placed yourself in a dangerous situation, I'm afraid you might be disappointed.Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
Chevalier de Châtillon, Duc Raymond will have the men he asks for. However, cavalry is wasted behind walls. If I was confident that Bourgogne was to engage in a more aggressive defense, then you will have your share of cavalry.Quote:
Originally Posted by deguerra
Frankly, the Realm has plenty of horse, we have many more nobles than commands. We lack decent foot and archers in my view.
As for Franconia, it cannot be given away for peace without the permission of Baron de Saint-Amand. Perhaps it could be included in negotiations if he was compensated for his loss.
I will review the defenses in the west and see what can be done in the short term. As I said, cavalry is always well received, but we need footmen and archers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramses II CP
I'm damned grateful the Dauphin decided to come east. He could have tarried in the Cote d'Azure but he has come to aid us against the Germans.
I'll see if that cheese eating bloke can't work off some of it. We'll roll him to the Rhine if need be.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnightnDay
My thoughts exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
Walls, walls. The fate of our realm is not decided behind walls. How can you at once reason that you will deprive Bourgogne of cavlary because they are wasted on us, and at the same time say that cavalry in itself is a waste.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
In any case, I ask you: How can Bourgogne pursue an aggressive defense without having the men to conduct any defence. I hear that you will grant us what we ask for, even though that is the bear minimum of what we will need. And understand that I wish not to insult anyone with what I am saying. If I want to insult you, you will know it. I am merely voicing my anxiety.
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Originally Posted by OverKnight
I am aware of that, which is why I am unhappy that it was granted in the first place. Again, nothing at all towards Sieur Saint-Amand. I would say the same of anyone.
Hugues chuckles and turns to Raoul.
You do indeed have a fighting spirit Chevalier.
The garrison of Dijon, barring Frankfurt or Caernarvon, is currently the strongest in the Kingdom. If Dijon is threatened or besiged, our armies in the area will converge to defend the city, as we did before.
The Germans outnumber us, we must conduct a mobile defense to parry their powerful but clumsy thrusts. Lorraine has come to the aid of Bourgogne in the past, if the reverse will hold true in future, I will provide your Duchy with more cavalry.
N'est-ce pas?
Raoul makes a curt bow in the direction of the Duc de Lorraine
I may be simple, but do not think the use of the word "garrison" escapes me. Yes, Dijon has a sizeable garrison. It hardly has a sizeable army.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
Bien sur. I presume you are not wanting to insinuate any doubt that Bourgogne would fail to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
Indeed. We are in this together, and there is every reason for the houses of Bourgogne and Lorraine to cooperate in the mutual protection of our lands. That, along with the generous offer of assistance from our fair prince should provide a more than adequate defense.
If it is heavy cavalry you need, I have a score of them under my command. This is the reason the Order was founded in the first place. To help the Royaume in any way possible. We are currently tied up in the defense of Frankfurt and will hopefully strike at Emperor Maximilian soon. Should that situation change though and the German concentrate their attacks elsewhere don't hesitate to ask for assistance. The Order will gladly help to keep our borders safe!
Arms folded, Alain observes proceeding reclined in his chair.
Philippe turns to the Senechal
Hugues, you asked what I would require for taking on Maximilian and his cohorts. It depends on what your vassal Saint Amand requires for garrisonning Frankfurt. One or two spearmen would be fine if I could keep the crossbowmen already in Frankfurt within my army. I'll have my quartermaster draw an account of what is needed (OOC : I'll take a close look at the save) and give to you.
As to Sieur de Châtillon's observation that Frankfurt was ever German and should remain so, I'd like him to look back to the times of Charlemagne, when the borders of France extended over the Pyrrenées in the South West, to Rome in the South East and up to Saxony in the North, reaching down to Carinthia in the East. So when we conquer lands behind the Pyrennées or over the Rhine, we are only reclaiming what was lost to us due to the bickering of Charlemagne's sons... We are reclaiming what is OURS !!
So Frankfurt will remain French at whatever cost... I would not take back something I have granted in good faith, it would make a poor liege of me, and that I will not allow.
I am, of course, no historian, mon roi, but was it not after Charlemagne that the lands of the French and of the Germans were divided.
Of course, I may misunderstand, not having your wisdom, but by your logic, do not the Germans have equal claim on Paris?
But in any case, I am not saying we must give Frankfurt back. I am merely taking the position that rapid expansionism, blatantly only aimed at increasing the personal power of one noble or another without any regard for the wellbeing of the Kingdom and its people is to be avoided.
Sieur de Châtillon, you speak the truth when you say that it was after Charlemagne that the lands of Franks and Germans were divided... but it's only because of the feuds between his descendants that it became so... Charlemagne was King of the Franks, as I am, before the title of Emperor was given to him by the Pope... And I cannot bear to see his lands or his title usurped by Heinrich or his ilk, heathen that they are... So that deals with any claim the Germans may have upon French lands...
They've been conquered once and God-willing, they will be once again...
As to rapid expansion, I've done everything in my power to cull it and to see to the well-being of my people, enacting laws that required the building of churches or granaries before the building of barracks... Expansion east is stopped by the Pope's Edict, we're now only defending ourselves and expansion south is stopped now that the rebellious provinces have been brought to heel.
I don't know where you've seen that our expansion was "blatanly aimed" at increasing one noble's power over another as I tried to distribute all lands conquered according to the merits of each House.
Alain make a grunting noise of disgust at the last remark.