I did... i thought that must be the reason he chose to use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
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I did... i thought that must be the reason he chose to use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Mafia games would be perfect if there was no network. I'll never join a network, and because of it I never have any info. Once I get chosen for a mafia role and im put in a position of info, I will wreck **** up. But in this game, Im again a simple townie, so it looks like another game of being in the dark while the big shots make the calls and have the rest of us die.
The key factor within this game is whether the names of characters have any significance on the abilities. For example, I'm only a minor character who only appears in the literature of Star Wars, and accordingly, I'm a vannila townie. The fact that Count Dooku rather than Count Joe Bloggs is the expedition leader indicates that the personas of the charcaters we are playing as are the deciding factor in determining our abilities.
Hear hear! Once more into the meat grinder, fellow townies!Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
Statement: That would be why blasting first and talking later is the best method of action, meatbag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder
Doubting: I find your claims extremely unlikely, meatbag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder
Advisement: It is suggested you start running as my blaster warms up.
True. All I can say to that is that at least I will not forget about Beskar. If you have concerns about him later and no one else cares, talk to me and I will listen.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
To be fair, that was a flaw in Rubicon itself. I did not anticipate groups being used in that manner, but it was legal. I will never use a system like that again for that reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Dooku is not the expedition leader, I believe the first story indicates who that person is pretty clearly:Quote:
Originally Posted by Subotan
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Originally Posted by Sigurd
Indeed that is the reason I choose it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Let the anger out!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolt
Expedition leader is Yoda(a small man)?
Are networks not an inevitable side effect of having town roles in a game? If you really want to avoid them the easy solution would be to play every game in the basic mafia format, where only the scum get roles.
As a permanently baffled, powerless townie (11 games and counting) you might expect me to prefer that option. But I don't, mainly because it reduces the game to little more than metagame speculation and random voting - fun once in a while, but not something I'd keep coming back to game after game. The existence of unknown town roles and the possibility of networks forming behind the scenes provides an intriguing subtext for the in-thread discussions, even if I never get to participate in the backstage action.
As I said in the wake of a network-heavy game over at CFC, afaik the real problems relate to a network's publicity and reliability (ie. how widely known the reasons for trust are, and how likely it is that the trust is misplaced).
In this case, Beskar's reason for claiming our trust could not be more public, but what chance is there that the trust would be misplaced? If there's a good chance that placing trust in him could be a mistake, then it's up to people's own choices as to whether to accede to his demand for info - on such decisions are games decided. If, on the other hand, it seems that there is little chance that placing trust in him could be a mistake then the fault lies with the game itself. Personally, being no less baffled than usual about the game mechanics here, I don't see that his surviving a lynch is any reason to trust him, so I'll be keeping my info to myself.
They are not inevitable, but I agree that they are certainly likely to occur when there are pro-town roles. They become more common the more roles there are that can do night actions, and become almost a certainty when every single role (including the basic townie) can do something at night. That doesn't mean they're good for the town though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
Even in extremely complex games, mafia still basically remains the uninformed majority versus the informed minority. It is always to the town's benefit to have as much information publicly available as possible, because that increases the number of eyeballs and brains cranking through the evidence. That's why the mass-role reveal is so abhorrant... unless precautions are taken by the host, it totally ruins the entire premise of the uninformed majority by spilling all info into the thread simultaneously. That's the absolute extreme of public disclosure of information.Quote:
As I said in the wake of a network-heavy game over at CFC, afaik the real problems relate to a network's publicity and reliability (ie. how widely known the reasons for trust are, and how likely it is that the trust is misplaced).
Networks can work, and there are plenty of examples of it happening. There are often times very good reasons for using small networks, such as a detective using someone he's cleared as a mouthpiece to post his results. However, the bigger the network and the more complex the game, the greater the likelihood that the network will be infiltrated by the mafia. An infiltrated network actively works against the town, so it's not a casual threat. Infiltrated networks give two huge advantages to the mafia: (1) a much greater amount of information about other roles and planned night actions than they would normally have, and (2) the ability to influence the town's lynch and night actions in ways that benefit the mafia. There are even risks in non-infiltrated networks. Most networks tend to turn into hierarchical systems, with one or two people at the top with the most information making most of the decisions. However, those people are not infallible... if they make bad choices, they can lead the town in the wrong direction and the lack of transparency prevents the other townies from correcting the errors. In addition, a strong, publicly known network tends to make regular townies lazy. When there is an active leadership taking charge of hunting the mafia, many people will simply follow along without question. This actively dissuades people from trying to figure out the game on their own, which increases the likelihood that evidence of scum or errors by the network will be missed.
So, the key for the town is to keep the networks large enough to keep the pro-town roles safe and productive, while at the same time small enough to minimize the potential damage from an erroneous leadership or infiltration. It's a fine line to walk, and I personally think it's safer to err on the side of smaller networks with as much transparency as possible, even if it decreases the effectiveness of pro-town roles.
I'll suggest that further discussion of this be moved to a separate mafia game theory thread to prevent distraction from the game.
So let me put it short.So far in the game some dirt back offed Husar in first night.Then Beskar claims he is count Dooku and wants the town to rally by him? Last we are talking if there should be a townie network in this game and mass reveals? As far as i understand atleast i cant do anything during nights.So whats the point of revealing my role to some third party and giving up my vote also? If there are pro town roles in this game.I invite them to scan me and then contact me. Otherwise i have no intention giving my will to hands of others.Specially if i dont have a clue what they are.
I am actually more interested in some of the claims Beskar has made...
He has claimed to have helped the town...he says he can investigate or vig kill... he has asked for protection.... he has asked to be cleared by other investigator(s).
He seems to possess more knowledge about the game than any of us....hmm...
Or at least hes making us think he does.
If Beskar going investigation = staying innocent & him doing vigilante = turning to mafia, I wouldn't trust him at all.
If things look poor for town he could just turn and that is it, but I guess his fate is out of our hands, in the day anyway...
It doesn't work like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thermal Mercury
If I went and killed some one, this makes me suspectible to conversation. Then once I get converted, I become a Sith. This makes me think there is the Sith "rule of two" going on. Which would imply a Sith has to die anyway.
Also, me telling you this is very benefitical to the town. This means, anyone who is claiming to be a "vigilent" and a town "zomg, I used a blue saber, I r Jedi", the town instantly knows they are now convertable and a mafia suspect.
Also, I suspect there are only 2 powerful pro-town.
I was one of those Jedi Masters, which is what saved me from the lynches.Quote:
Somewhere else on the ship two Jedi Masters woke up with a start. They had felt a change in their very being. Something was calling to them. They immediately started meditating to calm their startled emotions. A presence filled them with great joy and peace and the calling had them leave their quarters to a special room…
Now that is very useful information (I will of course take it with a pinch of salt). Dont you think these 2 plus the leader make it 3 power roles...no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
are you claiming that you got your role first and then you were given an update?
Yes. By the reading of the message i got, i would have got 1 ability, however, as due to this force thing, I was super-upgraded which gave me the lynch immunity as one of the powers. There is one other person like me, who got their multiple abilties opposed to one.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
This means all those who were pro-town only got their abilities last night, and didn't do any actions on the first night. (Any who did are probably lying)
That is an assumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
you say you would have gotten only 1 ability but got more than 1 because of the Force? hmm...
Round 2
Day
The Search of this mile long capital class monstrosity was slow business for a reduced 40 member crew.
But great leadership by the visitor from Coruscant got the crew to work methodically and efficient. They discovered that this capital ship had a full armament of Star Destroyer regular weaponry, fighters, bombers, shuttles, transports and other smaller crafts. The Star Destroyer also had the full complement armament with AT-AT walkers, AT-ST walkers and other prefabricated land units and equipment.
It was also stacked with foodstuff that grew in artificial greenhouses, but centuries of neglect had made them wildernesses where the food plants had been overcome by weed. There was however some edible stuff in those gardens.
The expedition leader was however most concerned by getting the massive power plant back online. In the centuries this ship had drifted through space with only a fraction of the power it needed, The main reactor – the I-a2b Solar Ionization reactor or commonly called a “mini sun” had not received sufficient fuel and had nearly died. It was a sick puppy.
When the expedition leader had discovered this, he had ordered the fuel feeders to be slowly re-opened to hinder a great surge of power from the mini sun that would fry the power lines and possibly the reactor itself. The mini sun was now sucking hypermatter from the fuel tanks and grew in strength every day.
They would have to make a hyperspace jump as soon as the power plant was healthy enough. The long years in cold space had made the hypermatter a bad quality grade fuel. In hyperspace the ship will replenish its fuel with top quality grade hypermatter.
After a long day’s work the Jedi members were exhausted and needed rest. The expedition leader was worried about tonight as he was confident that they had been infiltrated by someone. He had a bad feeling about the incidents last night. What this infiltration was all about was not clear to him, but he suspected the culprits to be a part of the team that had arrived with him. There were no lifeforms on this ship before they boarded and the lifeform count was still 38 the last time he checked.
He sat down on the floor of his cabin and found the peace of meditation. He reached out and found the presence which had accompanied him for so many years, but only since last night had been willing to be touched. There was a familiar sense in his very being as if he had waited so long for this presence to be joined with him. But what had triggered this change? Had it to do with something on this ship or this location in space?
Somewhere else 2 other members of the Jedi expedition force were also meditating.
They had started their usual routine, but were suddenly overcome with peace and elevation as a presence surged into their very being. They heard a call from somewhere and followed the directions they received. The directions led to a special storage area.
The Padawan known as Daye Azur-Jamin was tired and moved towards his cabin. As he rounded a corner in one of the long, dark and empty hallways of the crew quarters, he saw someone waiting, standing in the middle of the hallway. The features of this person were hidden in a long and hooded cloak and the darkness helped conceal the gender.
Daye asked: “Um.. can I help you with something? Are you lost in this labyrinth of hallways? “
The person had apparently stood there with a bent head, because suddenly, two amber glowing eyes looked up and directly at him.
“Yes.. there is one thing you can help me with.”
Daye felt a surge of panic when he saw the glowing eyes, but answered anyway. *gulp* “W..hat c..can I do for you?” The cloaked person with the glowing eyes reached out with his arm and said: “Die!!!!”
Daye felt the air being forced out of his lungs and he could no longer draw breath. He couldn’t cry out and felt darkness enveloping him.
Elswere the Padawan known as Galleros Nul were making way to his cabin and was suddenly attacked by a person in a hooded cloak. The cloaked person had hidden in a hallway wall depression and Galleros had just walked by without noticing. Galleros were surprised seeing a red glowing plasma beam sticking out of his chest. It took only a moment and then darkness enveloped him. The last thing he heard was a snickering sound from the cloaked person behind him.
It was time for the rest to end and continue their work on this Star Destroyer.
People emerged from their cabins and gathered at the auditorium as was instructed by the expedition leader. After last night everyone was required to attend a brief meeting here in the auditorium at the start of the day’s work.
There were only 36 of them this morning. The expedition leader sent out a few Jedi Knights to fetch these sleepy heads. They soon returned with worried looks on their faces. The two Padawans had been found dead close to their cabins, One with a lightsabre wound in his back and the other with no apparent injuries.
The expedition leader sniffed. “We have been infiltrated by one or more traitors. We need to repeat the meeting we had yesterday. Find me this traitor and deliver him to me - I will be back soon to collect him or her."
As he left the auditorium, he felt panic. The sudden connection with what could only be what had been known as the force in the ancient Jedi religion and 4 murders among the expedition crew, was unsettling. Could it be…? No… that was just ancient superstitious drivel.
He had just rounded the first corner in the direction of his cabin, when he remembered something that had struck him when learning about the deaths of the two Padawans. He immediatly returned to the auditorium, as he entered he announced: "Oh and for your information, it has been decided that the initiates Galen Marek and Barrison Dray will be promoted to Padawans with immediate effect. Congratulations!!"
With those words he turned around and left the auditorium.
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I expect you to find a candidate to lynch before midnight (00:00 GMT+1) tomorrow the 15th of april.
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Dang it I know I shoudn't have roleplayed oh well it was a good game while I was in it.
Interesting, it looks like more people have explored the force, three people infact (including Expedition leader). They should have gained more abilities.
Vote: Beskar
I am sick of your nonsense now. You are purposefully trying to side-track the town.
Vote: GeneralHankerchief
I dont think we need unlynchable characters so vote: Beskar
If you're such the big pro-town role you claim you are, why are you doing an OMGUS vote? Especially if you are unlycnhable as you claim. As for sidetracking the town, you are doing a wonderful job of it by focalizing all the discussion on your role. You claimed you could investigate IIRC, tell us something useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Vote: Generalhankerchief
Vote:askthepizzaguy
A bit quiet wasn't that?
I don't like this anti-Beskar sentiment, both as a friend and as a player.
Why all the hate?
I'm gonna vote: White_eyes:D again.
Let the hate consume you, feels good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
I take it this is directed at me? If so, I'm not anti-Beskar, I consider him a friend. I don't approve of the votes against him this round, but found his reply to them even more lacking if he's telling the truth about his role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
And I'll vote TinCow again. Though I think Winston's is a solid vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
vote:TinCow
Be very careful Secura, anyone in the game is a fair target for criticism. If you feel so strongly about Beskar, it may not be wise to sign up for games with him in those games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
The other players are both allowed to and may be required to target him. I don't see anything specificially anti-Beskar here, just folks who are anti-town network and anti-unlynchable role.
I strongly disagree with Beskar's lynch but he is fair game, my friend. It's why when others target Diana, I say nothing. She's just another player.
Lynching Beskar is a bad idea right now. He has skills to assist us, and I'm sure the other pro-town roles have been keeping an eye on him.
That said, GH is most likely just acting out of a rational concern, given past games. He's trying to get Beskar lynched because he genuinely thinks he is guilty, and as such GH is also a bad lynch.
A good lynch is something hard to come by. Vote: white_eyes.
Vote is subject to change without notice.
Nope, it's directed at the many people who've been chastising him, that's all. I don't feel lynching a powerful role is in the best interests of the town currently.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFlax
I'm just struggling to see the problems with it, I suppose... one of those days where nothing's going in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I actually agree that he is fair game, everybody is at this point, but this simply feels like a wasted lynch; people seem to want to kill him based on his character's name and the possibility that he may turn to the Dark Side, which by all accounts is only possible if he starts vig-killing, which he has stated isn't in his best interests. I believe we can be assured that the second Jedi Master and the envoy himself will have a close eye on him anyway.Quote:
I strongly disagree with Beskar's lynch but he is fair game, my friend. It's why when others target Diana, I say nothing. She's just another player.
If I had been town in Shadow Fort, I'd have been annoyed to be a powerless traveller and had the entire game pass me by because of bad decisions with lynches and night kills. As an equally powerless role in this game, I do not want the same mistake to be made with lynches.
I should probably apologise for missing the first two turns :sweatdrop: I was kinda distracted.
Anyway, I dont think beskar is a good lynch, mainly because I dont like the idea of wasting another day on a guy who can survive being in a vaccum.
Pizza, since you just won a game as mafia, where no one suspected you until everyone else was cleared by process of elimination, do you think there's a high chance of the town panicking and lynching you later in the game? If so, don't you think it's better for you to take the lynch now, since it's less damaging and the town is a bit directionless right now.
Yes, I may be lynched this round as a default.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I came dangerously close to being a distraction in the Generalhankerchief game because (A) I was still alive late in the game and (B) the writeups implicated me.
However, I am also a lousy lynch. Beskar, since he can survive the lynch, is a better lynch. You'll do fine without me, but I'm not a totally lame character either.
You would rather beskar was lynched.
I don't think Beskar is a good lynch, he revealed to me before he went public in thread and he came across as genuinely excited about his role in this game. Beskar seems to enjoy powerful pro-town roles more than scum so I think he is pretty much telling the truth.
@Sasaki-
If he's being honest, he survives again. There's no loss except time... but the murders give us something to analyze and we aren't shooting ourselves in the foot in the process.
If he's being dishonest, then he dies, and is probably mafia. Win/win.
But the best move of all is to lynch a scum. So we could do a blind lynch and try to find one.
I notice you're making a very specific play to get me lynched, though, because you know as a townie I will allow myself to be lynched to prove myself, because I am stupid like that. It smells very suspiciously like Sasaki Kojiro asking me to destroy myself for the "good of the town" while he sneaks past another round.
You'd make the best lynch of all, on reflection.
unvote, vote: Sasaki
No. I'm testing you out. You started off with the roleplay, then you posted a vote with no reasoning and skipped over my vote on you. Since you've offered yourself up for lynch in multiple games it makes a good cross comparison.
You are acting more restrained than you usually do as town. Restraint is a scum tell for pizza :yes:
I have not offered myself as a lynch in ages (as a townie). Get with the times, scumbag. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
To be clear: I have nothing against Beskar as a person. My vote(s) for him were strictly for game reasons. I do not need to reiterate my feelings about the pro-town networks, especially in Sigurd's game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
-edit- I also highly doubt that such an overpowered role as his would generate valid investigation results immediately. If anything, he's probably immune to investigations.
Something's very strange in this conversation. What's not being said?
(That's referring to Sasaki and Pizza.)
Well, I was about to say this, but you just said it, so it's been said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
And now, I've said that. That should cover the bases.
Guess the game:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
:mellow:Quote:
Lynch me. I want to see who would vote for me.
unvote, vote: Askthepizzaguy
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Pizza, you said last round that this idea of a network was a very bad idea and this was coming from you. Why the sudden switch?
Vote:ATPG
There's no switch.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I said people shouldn't reveal to Beskar, and I said that over and over when people still did it.
That said, I think that Beskar is a wasted lynch. Much better is Sasaki.
Why so serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
In fact, you are BOTH far too serious for Round 2. At this point, Sasaki should be cracking wise and bandwagoning, and ATPG is trying to get Sasaki lynched, which he would never attempt seriously.
This argument seems awfully contrived. FoS: Both of you.
Now, I'm going to unvote, Vote: Diana Abnoba, because the name appealed to me when I looked at the list. And we're going to get her to be active and defend herself.
Oops. I must suffer from can't remember **** syndrome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
You still must die, however.
I'm just testing him out...the strangeness is all from his end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
What it sounds like to me is that he was happy about something, and then my "would you agree that lynching you is a good move" question was a huge buzzkill. However his posts:
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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Didn't sound particularly excited to be scumhunting. So was he happy because he drew a mafia role?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Die, meatbag! :furious3:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Thank you Chaotix, that's exactly what I couldn't put into words. And I echo the sentiment. Something's wrong here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaotix
unvote, vote: Askthepizzaguy
Instead of repeated posts consisting of nothing more than demands that Sasaki could die, could you re-iterate why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Pro-tip: ATPG and Sasaki are, in actuality, mafia partners.
Probably not, if this were the case they wouldn't go after each other this hard this early. I'd expect more of a slow burn with the "showdown" coming in the late midgame/endgame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaotix
And if it kept the other from being investigated? I don't know. Depends what else the team might have up its sleeve, maybe.
There's nothing scummier than Sasaki asking me to lynch myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
First of all, you have component A, Sasaki Kojiro, which already makes it among the scummiest things imaginable.
Then, you have him suggesting that a player lynches himself, which is component B, WIFOM, also known as scummy to the factor of scummy.
Finally, you have component C, Askthepizzaguy. And so we have a trifecta of scumminess.
It's the three scummiest concepts in the universe converging, and it's all coming straight from Sasaki. He's clearly as guilty as sin.
I hope you're joking. :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
He's trying to...Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
No, I'm dead serious. Sasaki is the Sith Lord. He told me so himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
In all honesty it feels like they are testing the waters. I say: Jump in its balmy. :wacko:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaotix
Aye. Prove it Beskie, prove it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFlax
How about you drop the act, be productive for a change in this round, and tell me what you really think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Ah, but that's what they want you to believe. If they're mafia, they'll attempt to do what you wouldn't expect from such a pair.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
ATPG is continuing to advocate his weak, throwaway case on Sasaki, and Sasaki is trying to play off his own accusations as a "test". Now they realize how much they just brought themselves into the spotlight.
I was originally very serious. Sasaki "feeling me out" felt like an act to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
First, he suggests that I might be a good lynch this round, given stuff that happened in other games (:laugh: by the way. Best reasoning EVER)
Next, me being me, I would probably agree.
Then, it's open season on ATPG because "ATPG would vote himself as scum, he's done it many times. He's obviously scum now"
Meanwhile Sasaki disappears into the sunset, hand in hand with Generalhankerchief. And just as the camera fades away, they plant a delicate kiss on each other. Awww how romantic.
You're all a bunch of Sith Lords! And I refuse to be serious when you guys are taking me so seriously.
Why aren't you voting for one of them, Chaotix? I mean, a FOS is all well and good, but when it comes down to it it's just a toothless abbreviation.
That's OK ATPG, I promise I'll vote Sasaki next.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Every time you vote Sasaki an angel gets its wings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
Okay, so explain to me where on down the line it turned from "serious" to "let's muddle up the thread with this continuation".Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Right about here....Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I love disproving bad theories, screw the game. I like being right.
He seems quietly restive. I say we lynch him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
Once more, my general hath shown me the direction.
Vote: Beskar
It's possible that pizza is just a townie annoyed at being asked to lynch himself or just "loves disproving bad theories" as he says. But the odds of him having an important mafia role and disliking a sasaki wagon starter is high enough to worth lynching on.
He could be a pro town role :shrug:
But you can't worry about that kind of thing in these situations, and it seems like there are hardly any of them, with beskar being one, and the guy who contacted him (presumably not pizza given what he said) being another, that cuts down on the odds a lot.
Should we put it to the test, then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
vote: Askthepizzaguy
Two more of whatever-it-was this morning, just saying. Not that it's stopping me.
No. This is a dreadful waste of a round, but you won't cripple yourselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I can also explain this bandwagon on me: It is a direct backlash for the Shadow Fort game. Whatever makes you feel better, guys. :grin:
You'd like it to be that simple, but despite that I have made a conscious decision to ditch my CFC induced habits of not voting for high-profile players on mere suspicion, there truly is something off about your interaction with Sasaki.
No, it is that simple. You can't even explain what is "off". But I can tell I won't be changing your mind today, it is made up and based on absolutely nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
But, if you guys think I will go down quietly, I promise I both will not shut up until I am dead or the wagon goes away, and that I'll be intentionally distracting all round so nothing else gets done.
Obviously I decided to take a look at you largely because you evaded detection in the shadow fort...I said as much earlier, so don't try and pass that off as a dismissal of the whole wagon. The question is, why does your response to praise look like this?
It's obvious that you don't truly believe what you said about "sasaki proposing this to get me lynched", that looks more like a hastily constructed rebuttal. And when pushed on it you tried to joke your way out.