This should solve a few things.
I am the Shahnak power role, I can alignment scan someone.
Since I fear for my safety I'll reveal my results:
n1 GH town
N2 atpg town
n3 protect kage
n4 dcmort scum
I get no n0 scan, pretty unfair otherwise
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This should solve a few things.
I am the Shahnak power role, I can alignment scan someone.
Since I fear for my safety I'll reveal my results:
n1 GH town
N2 atpg town
n3 protect kage
n4 dcmort scum
I get no n0 scan, pretty unfair otherwise
An alignment scanner in a khaan game? There has to be more to it than that.
-edit- And without tiered results even?
Vote: dcmort
He didn't even forward the orders?
Btw, N1 Ironside was attacked by a single attacker. The musty smelling one. That attack failed, and Ironside didn't have protection. N2 there was an attack on BSmith with a single attacker and that one worked. Still no protection. N3, Ironside again, no protection, successful kill. Same night, Monty had protection and the attack didn't work.
It seems the mafia need two attackers to penetrate a protection group, or perhaps it's got something to do with random chance since N1 the Ironside kill didn't work. Perhaps if dcmort knew of Kage's importance they didn't want to leave it to chance that he was killed, so they doubled up?
It's been popping up here and there, so just to avoid confusion:
There have been four night phases so far, including the one we began with. Khaan called it N0 at first, then after a round or two he began referring to N0 as N1.
In other words, with the current convention we have finished N4 and are on D4. It's OK if you interpret it as four typical rounds, but with Night coming before Day.
Now, Visor: why would you reveal that? If you're a PR, then you've been doing well by lying low and keeping off scum radar. I'm not sure town has the ability to pull off any more double-protections, unless some Armouz come out of the woodwork.
If DC is down for the count, and Ituralde likely to go tomorrow - and assuming they're both scum - then you would have been better off keeping quiet, leaving the lone mafioso forced to kill the protection groups before he could reach you.
You could have gotten more scans in.
Revealing now forces mafia to kill me - forces town to protect me, so basically mafia have to kill people so that I can't be protected
unless they want to double stack, which then outs a ton of people as town because there are only two left.
So yeah, revealing now means we can narrow our PoE.
On the third night I was indeed protecting Kagemusha. But it was together with Myrddraal and Montmorency.
I was the one who suggested protecting Kagemusha or Montmorency to Myrddraal, because they voted last on the previous day. Same as BSmith voting last the day before and he was killed the night after.
So nice try covering your tracks Montmorency, but trying to accuse Visor or me with false facts - doesn't make you look less suspicious!
Okay everybody, raise your hand if you haven't protected Kagemusha at any point during this game. :laugh4:
vote:dcmort
Vote: dcmort
Apparently, the message received by GH and crew was an explicit "protection not valid" message, and yet, we are also told that DC didn't send in orders.
This does cast things in a new light for me. The Firnaz group was the group of two. That means all three of GH's group turned up, but some other reason the attack failed.
I understand now why GH was saying that one of the three might not be able to work with his faction, but not realise it. However, the other two members of GH's group were all involved in the coordinated attack on Golden1Knight in the first round. That would strongly suggest to me that they are capable of collaboration (although, given the attack failed, it isn't conclusive). That leaves GH, but he suggested protecting Kage.
Another possible option (although perhaps unlikely) is that Kage couldn't be protected, or couldn't be protected against that particular foe. The write up does show Kage dismissing his defenders. Although, if that were the case, you would have thought he would have mentioned it...
What this does mean though is that there were no successful protections of Kage that night. What's not 100% clear is whether that is related to the fact that there were two scum.
I'm sure we're missing something, because it doesn't add up. The different descriptions of the attackers is still bugging me.
Round technically has a half hour left, but it seems pretty set on who the lynch is.
"...And so that is why dcmort's guiltiness is irrefutable proof of his guilt!" one member of the court finished their oratorical takedown of dcmort to a round of thunderous applause, giving a bow as they stepped down.
Emperor Kavehir took his place, making a sweeping gesture to those gathered. "Well, it seems we've a hearty agreement from you all that dcmort is, in fact, guilty of treason against the royal family! Dcmort, do you have anything to say in your defense?" Dcmort glared balefully at the Emperor and those gathered.
">..."
"You know, perhaps the silent treatment is not the best defense, right now? Do you have anything to say in your own defense?"
"...."
"Anything?"
Following another short pause, Emperor Kavehir narrowed his eyes at dcmort. "Very well. Hand him over to me!" Dcmort was bound and presented to the Emperor. "I have the power of death over you, and you say nothing in your defense. A grave mistake, unfortunately. Dcmort, in my father's name, I sentence you to execution. And if you are innocent, may you find peace in the embrace of Firnaz." And so, with a swift, two-handed strike, Kavehir sliced dcmort's head off.
"I am sure we have made great progress today, my faithful subjects! Truly, only the desperately guilty would refuse to defend themselves! Rest well, and we shall return tomorrow, for greater glory!"
Tally:
Dcmort(pretty much everyone)
Alive:
Askthepizzaguy
Autolycus
Edse
El Barto
GeneralHankerchief
Golden1Knight
Ituralde
Johnhughtom
Landlubber
Montmorency
Myddraal
Nightbringer
Sooh
Visorslash
Zack
Lynched:
Abstain (D1)
Andres (D2)
ACIN (D3)
Dcmort(D4)
Killed:
Csargo (D1)
Bsmith (N2)
Ironside (N3)
Kagemusha(N4)
Attacked:
Ironside (N1)
Golden1Knight (N2)
Montmorency (N3)
Even when we're pretty sure, Khaan's writeups have such a tongue in cheek quality to them that you can't help but wonder if he's screwing with us, or our scanner is.
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Ituralde’s return to his quarters began as an uneventful affair. Everyone gave their curt goodbyes and went their separate ways. For ituralde, this meant a climb to the third floor, up the spiral staircase in the central plaza. Upon reaching the top step, however, the quiet was disturbed by a shrill battlecry. He startled and looked up, discovering that two individuals were perched atop the arches to the arched windows, one up to his right, the other, his left. Each tugged on tight-woven cloth they had hung from the vaulted ceiling, and leaped down, swinging like madmen while continuing their battle-screeches.
Unfortunately for the assailants, it seemed they had miscalculated their trajectories, and the two collided in the air at high speed a few feet to Ituralde’s right, their momentum taking them down the stairs. “Er… Well, yes, good luck with that…” Ituralde let them to their fate and continued back to his quarters, unharmed and quite amused.
“So… a cordial invitation, huh?” Visorslash thumbed over the scroll that invited him to a dance in the west wing of the palace. It hardly seemed appropriate, considering current events, but still, it seemed rude to decline it. So, here he was, at the doors of the grand ballroom, in his best robe. He pushed the grand, double doors open, and was greeted by splendor.
“Welcome, welcome!” A figure wearing a detailed, ivory mask stood in the center of the ballroom, accompanied by two others, also adorned in masks of their own. “My dear Visorslash, we heard from a little birdie that your life was in peril tonight. So we thought, what better way to pass the time and ensure all of our safety, than with a ball?”
A flame was lit in each corner, revealing even more masked party-goers, four in the left, two in the right.
“Come, come, let us not worry the night away!” The figure in the center proclaimed. “Tonight, in such numbers, none would dare harm us, so long as we remain aware of ourselves. So, come, dear Visorslash, you are the VIP of our affair tonight.” They held a hand out to him. “Would you care for a dance?”
Visorslash couldn’t help the smile that came to his face. Even in times of peril, the nobility still were wonderfully absurd. He stepped forward onto the forum, hand held out to accept the offer.
“Ah, ah, ah! Now, now, that is quite rude!” Everyone’s attention swung to two more individuals atop the stairs, which led to the balcony. “So improper! The host gets the last dance with the guest of honor, not the first.” The figure on the left was clad in silvery robes. A sparkling, silvered mask hid their face, but not the shock of white hair that flowed down past their shoulders. The one on the right was clad in dark robes, and wore a dull mask that looked like it was made of pearl.
“Although, come to think of it, we don’t really feel like sharing our dear Visorslash tonight, do we?” The silver-masked man asked his companion. “No, as a matter of fact, I think he’s all ours… Forever.” The man in the pearl mask answered. “So, be a dear, and hand him over.”
The guests looked on in shock as they realized what the two were demanding. With a clap, the host commanded to his guests, “It seems we’ve drawn unwanted stragglers. Everyone, it is time to do our duty!” The other seven ballroom guests surged from their corners of the ballroom, forming a semi-circle around Visorslash. In spite of their formal attire, it seemed each one remembered to bring an armament of some sort, be it a straight sword, dagger, or scimitar.
With a sigh, the silver-masked man pulled a long, curved blade from his robe. “It seems we can’t settle this with reason, I see. Now, you’re just not playing fair. Nine against two? What do you think, time we stopped holding back, I suppose?” He asked his companion.
“It seems they’ve not given us much choice, has it? You take the high ground, I’ll deal with the rest.”
The silver-masked man grinned as a white aura began to pour from him, writhing like a beast. He leaped from the top of the stairs, gliding through the air as the pearl-masked man began his own advance. Three of the dancers raised their blades to the white-haired man as he allowed himself to descend upon Visorslash. Their attacks missed, but forced him to weave through the air backwards, away from their strikes. The second assailant began his march forward, covered in a dark blue aura that seemed to grow and recede in a rhythm. He extended a leg and slid down the stairs in a single, smooth motion before beginning a long, arc around to the group’s flank. He revealed a long, straight sword as he shot himself forward towards a gap between two people for Visorslash.
“Halt him! Swing back around!” The host commanded. Multiple defenders swung to their right and closed the gap just in time, causing the assailant to halt on a dime, performing a backflip away from their raised weapons.
“Wait, what did I even do?” Visorslash demanded of the assailants as the white-haired man hovered near a wall in mid-air and the pearl-masked man bobbed on the spot.
“Sometimes, it is not about what one has done, but what one has failed to do,” the white-haired man proclaimed. “All of you gathered here are guilty of it. The Emperor and his family have attempted to usurp the gods. It is time that is punished. Him, and all who support him, have committed treason against the divine order. So, tonight, you will perish!” He finished with a flourish as he descended upon those gathered.
“Force him back! More, to this side!” The host ordered. As more of the masked guests made their move, so did the second assailant in the pearl mask. He darted in, lunging forward as two defenders attempted to skewer him. This time, however, both blades made contact and powered through the man. However, his form shimmered briefly, and for a moment, the man transformed into a pure liquid, passing straight past the guards and re-materializing right afterwards. He grasped Visorslash by the scruff of his robe and performed an impressive leap out of the pile of defenders. At the height of his jump, he twirled himself in mid-air, throwing the helpless Visorslash to his silver-masked companion, who glided through the air as he circled higher and higher.
“The time of the God Emperor is over,” he whispered to Visorslash as he clutched to him high above the marble floor. With that, he ran his sword through Visorslash’s gut before hurtling him to the floor below, causing Visorslash to land with a sickening crack.
“It was a lovely party, my dear host,” the man in the pearl masked proclaimed as he made his way to the exit. “Perhaps next time we’ll stay for the rest of the party!”
Another dead. A massive brawl in the ballroom. Security failing. Chaos. These were the things weighing on Emperor Kavehir as he called upon the inquisition once more. It was, perhaps, dawning on him that this was no more just a battle for justice, or vengeance, or glory. No, this was a battle for survival, now. It was comforting, in a way. He knew that the divine blood would prevail in the end. It had to, for the world to make any sense. Still, it was time to recognize these facts. The fifth day of the inquisition was under way.
Alive:
Askthepizzaguy
Autolycus
Edse
El Barto
GeneralHankerchief
Golden1Knight
Ituralde
Johnhughtom
Landlubber
Montmorency
Myddraal
Nightbringer
Sooh
Zack
Lynched:
Abstain (D1)
Andres (D2)
ACIN (D3)
Dcmort(D4)
Killed:
Csargo (D1)
Bsmith (N2)
Ironside (N3)
Kagemusha(N4)
Visorslash (N5)
Attacked:
Ironside (N1)
Golden1Knight (N2)
Montmorency(N3)
Ituralde(N4)
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Well, so much for that. :laugh4:
Also, I wouldn't be worried about rats among the protectors for once, khaan's feedback PM makes it quite clear we weren't to blame.
Presumably it's true - nothing can stop a double-down. In that case, we simply can't have more than one scum alive.
Vote: Ituralde
Myrddraal had the right idea, pinning you like this behind the scenes.
Vote: Monty
I mentioned this behind the scenes, but I don't want a mindless Ituralde wagon. We're going to have reasoned and thoughtful discussion of who to lynch today, or so help me Kavehir, I will murder each and every single one of you. :viking:
Well, who would you like to lynch?
2 on Ituralde and 9+Visor in the kill writeup = 12/15 players.
That means 3 weren't accounted for. I'm fairly certain Ituralde is one of the unaccounted. Myrddraal should have more to say on the matter.
What makes you certain that the mafia can't double up on night actions? It's a reassuring assumption that appearing in the writeup fully clears a person, but it's not necessarily a correct one. Locking ourselves into this idea of thinking is a very poor decision.
Do you think there was a fundamental difference between Kage and Visor regarding their protectibility or did seireikhaan just wanted to make this clearer in this nights feedback?
I infer from your comment that you received a different feedback last night? This nights feedback was very clear.
My previous night's feedback (Kage) was certainly different and less clear than this night's (Visor). There are a couple of possible reasons why Kage's protection failed, which I have outlined earlier in the thread. I know for certain why Visor's protection failed.
I agree with you reasoning, but not with your conclusion.
I was protecting Visorslash together with Myrddraal and you. I got the clear feedback from seireikhaan to prove my participation.
We have two options now:
1. Showing up in the writeup is reliable: We find the missing three players.
2. Mafia can do two night actions: We're back in the dark again and kill Ituralde just to be sure. After all Askthepizzaguy is convinecd he is Mafia and Visorslash is suspecting him, because he is "Active in an inactive game".
I understand now that seireikhaans games can be difficult, no reveals, no clear setup, but there has to be some point where the town can get their foot in the door.
Fair warning, I'll be very busy at work today so I can't give any input for the next 10-12 hours, and when I get home I probably won't have much energy to do more than read through and see what you all have done before I go to bed. I will make sure I get my vote in before EOD though.
What kind of explaining, edse? Can you be more specific?
Hmm, seems like I'm rather bad at reading the most recent page in the thread. Lets hope this time goes a bit better.
In any case, I have a guess that perhaps protection orders fail if two or more factions perform them on the same person. We're rivals who don't trust each other after all, and that would explain the last two nights of failed mass protections.
Nothing in the write ups themselves suggest the defenders are getting in each other's way though.
And in closing, Ituralde seems like the best bet based on ATPG's analysis from yesterday, especially because of his immediate but not over-committed defense of Dcmort.
Oh ya, and this part.
Vote: Ituralde
Vote: Montmorency
Now what?
Unvote: Ituralde
If what I've been told is correct, then Ituralde is not really a suspect.
Please hold...
Who am I holding and why?
No wait.. I know who, and why... :love:
Not knowing about my participation and then apparently not receiving the night feedback. Any explanation for that?
Vote: Montmorency
For now. I still think the 3 non active people are worth checking up on. I bet between Myrddraal, GH and atpg we should know their names.
Also there has been no WoK so everyone should be active in one way or another.
It's not a good look to keep suspecting me, Ituralde.
If you're a villager, you've got to move on now.
Edit: Or you're talking about who was inactive.
I know the remaining Firnazians were ineffective, but active. Lack of numbers. There were only ever two of us in this game anyway.
unvote
Vote: Edse
I need elaboration. See previous post directed at you.
I am not suspecting you or GH or Myrddraal for that matter. But they know about the Shahnaks and you know about the Firnaz.. ians?
So you know the 12 people that were active last night. Edse one of the remaining three then?
The numbers in the Visor write-up don't stack up against my understanding of what went on. To the point that I tentatively wonder if khaan misinterpreted the orders sent.
I say this because to the best of my knowledge, no group of four submitted coordinated orders, and yet a group of four showed up.
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Three people in my group sent orders, counting myself.
I assumed that this was Pizza's organizing work.
For instance, he and Golden likely attacked Ituralde just because that's what Pizza does, while Pizza had 4 of the miscellaneous townies just show up in a group to be seen.
Vote: edse
Edse claims to have protected Visor with JHT and lubber, but that can't be as the one 3-person group was Shahnak.
So who are the four? Can anyone claim to be part of this group?
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Protection group numbers on Visor were 3-3-2. Combine this with the earlier point I mentioned about Monty and I really think we've found a scum.
Here and confused.
Monty is a suspect because?
Ituralde I know was the main second suspect yesterday. Has that changed?
I did not organize anything, all I did was put Golden1 and myself to work batting at Ituralde like a couple of declawed kittens.
I tried to bite him, but I can't even break the skin of a hot dog with these hu-mon baby fangs.
At first I voted him out of annoyance there looked to be an Ituralde wagon forming without much other discussion going on.
But then as the day continued, Monty posted this, which I referenced earlier:
On its own, not that big of a deal. He got the reason why Visor died wrong - which you, Sooh, should know about, seeing as you were in on a protection - but that could be explained by him doing something other than protecting Visor. However, combine that with word from Ituralde that he, Myrddraal, and Monty formed the basis of another Visor protection group, and Monty has less of an excuse to not know why the protections on Visor failed. Finally, it got revealed that there were three separate protection groups on Visor: 3-3-2. Somebody was missing.
Ultimately the missing person's presence in the protection would have changed nothing, as Visor still would have died, but I think the most logical explanation is that Monty bailed on his group to participate in the killing of Visor and then incriminated himself by getting khaan's feedback wrong.
I never participated in any protection and never claimed to have.
Why does @Ituralde claim otherwise, here?
I can verify that part of what Monty is saying.
He's been on maneuvers in Askthepizzaguy's Secret Sabotage Of The Town plan, trademark. He's been a loyal footsoldier in my master plan to....
Uh,
I dunno. I wish I were evil, this would be way more dramatic. I definitely would have had a thing to insert at the end of my villainous speech there if I were.
He's doing a thing for me.
But I had a question about it, and he answered it to my satisfaction. And I am obvious town, so that should be good enough for you little peoples.
Away with your silly accusations now, chop chop. We don't want to keep the emperor waiting, there are traitors to be hacked in twain.
So Monty was officially the missing person in the 3-3-2 protections on Visor?
Unvote: Monty
Vote: Ituralde
Why the discrepancy?
I received a PM from Myrddraal that put me Monty and him on Visor. I just checked and I did not receive a CCed PM from Montmorency. So as much as I want it to be him rather than me. It makes sense.
He did receive my and Myrddraals CC though. So he knew about our attempt while he acted like he knew nothing.
Okay.
Unvote: Ituralde
Vote: edse
Just for reference, here is my reaction to Myrddraal's CC'ed orders:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Because of numbers partly, and it's still not right even though some numbers have been corrected. Ituralde said he were in a group with Monty and Myrddraal, which couldn't work out since the group of three were the Armouz. Is Montmorency Shahnak? That would make him the eigth and I still firmly believe that the cults are evenly split between 21 players and there's 1 unaligned player.
But most importantly, he sent me a pm claiming to be the scanner and said he scanned, or more likely watched, me kill Kage yesterday and Visorslash today, and ended the letter "want to talk about it?".
You know the cults aren't evenly split among the players.
@landlubber
This is the time to account for your group.
By the way, you mentioned here that 3 were unaccounted for and you're certain one of them was me. Now it looks like you were not accounted for by your own admission.
Why is that, if you are not Mafia? Why make the reason for your vote against me, something that you violated yourself?
There is more in heaven and earth than is dreamt of in your philosophy.
Do you know that? These are all the people that have worked together within their cults right?
Shahnaks:
Visor
Kage
Autolycus
Ituralde
Myrddraal
Ironside
GH
Armouz:
jht
Landlubber
edse
Firnaz:
Golden
ATPG
That's 7 Shahnaks. I'm 90% sure that no one of the dead unknows or Monty/El Barto/nightbringer is Shahnak.
edse, you've probably said this elsewhere, but just for my ease of understanding, you're claiming that all three Armouz were in a protection group on Visor last night?
Would you mind sending me a PM with the wording you received on the failure of your protection?
For the record, Kage was not a Shahnak, he could work with all factions.
So, is it Ituralde or Montmorency?What the hell
You're posting about future absences? That's almost as bad a scumtell as Myrddraal's posting using a cellphone.
I wasn't part of any groups.
Because he offered me a number of doubloons to post my religious allegiance publicly, which would have told his scumbuddies whether they should kill me or not. His nefarious plan was frustrated by GH refusing to be my bookkeeper for the next three years.
Given his name, I must conclude that he is the Frenchman. vote: Montmorency
:inquisitive: Explain.
Quote:
I wasn't part of any groups.
What were you doing?
It was I who arranged the group, landlubber has had to little time to organise anything the two previous nights so I thought it best to do it myself. We all three sent in orders and are there in the write-up together with a Shahnak group of three and one of two (where apparently you are the one missing, not me)