Hard claim with enough hours to go that, if need be, I could ask my partner to hard claim it with me.
Under zero pressure.
Your move.
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Hard claim with enough hours to go that, if need be, I could ask my partner to hard claim it with me.
Under zero pressure.
Your move.
i repeat my question
what?
Lynching you provides me with the most information at present.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex
don't make me ask a third time
Sure, I could go the irritating cheeky route, but I've already probably ticked off enough people for one game.
This is where I am at:
If Zack is scum then
GH is lock clear by votes by both parties
Johnhughthom is lock clear by his 2nd vote
Visor is lock clear for suspecting Zack early after putting him as town
I am lock clear (too bad I'm already always lock clear) for calling for his head d1 with my hard claim
My mason partner is lock clear because I must always be murdered thereby proving my claim and locking him clear.
That's five villagers lock clear and 1 dead scum.
too bad zack isn't scum
AdmiralKleenex, on the other hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex
what caused your hardclaim and vote, i don't see the progression
Vote count:
AdmiralKleenex (3) - GH, johnhughthom, askthepizzaguy
GH (5) - AdmiralKleenex, Raith Kemmler, El Barto, Golden1Knight, Choxorn
Jarema (5) - Visor, Al Sips, edse, Punisher, seireikhaan
johnhughthom (1) - Double A
Choxorn (1) - Jarema
Not voting: atheotes, BSmith
Just under 24 hours to go!
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(I am counting Jarema's bolding of Choxorn's name as a vote. I would appreciate that votes were cast in the format Vote: [name] from now on so I don't miss anything.)
Atpg, claim seems nice, but Zack case is a bit of a stretch? I can vote switch, but the data thing is kind of looping you I think as I'm not following you either at this point.
The formatting in this thread is too damnQuote:
Originally Posted by Sooh
highcomplicated!
I have faith that you can do it <3Quote:
Originally Posted by Raith Kemmler
Sure. I'll go into that as well. My accusation right or wrong, you deserve that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex
I'll be serious about this.
So why AdmiralKleenex
Visor's point on Zack here, which I still feel isn't particularly strong... but Visor is one of the players I feel understands the game better (this early in the game) than I do, and even if I don't necessarily follow his reasoning, I think he's a villager this game and I trust him.
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex
Then focus on a masonQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Doesn't have me as scummy. Feels a lot like his D1 in the past several games where he was scum, where he's front and center and asking questions and challenging opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex
Which is how he'd play as town, too, obviously.
So how does that make him scum? It doesn't, and Zack knows that he can't really be caught on day one.
So that means he'll be the member of the scum team pushing for mislynches and cutting villagers' balls off by defending other villagers. He might even defend his scum buddies too. He's gonna make sure 3 wolves survive day one.
This position is great for scum-Zack if Jarema is innocent and so is GH. This position is also ok for scum Zack if Jarema is scum. Especially since he begins undermining that wagon by noting the speed in which that wagon formed a couple posts later.Quote:
I'm fine with jarema/gh wagons. I'm null on jarema but at this point the spew will be informative.
I also think the Jarema wagon is largely pure. I think literally all of these are villagers to varying degrees of strength. So whether the lynch is on a scum or not, Zack is smudging a lot of villagers here, imo. There can be at most 1 scum in this wagon, and I'm not sold there is one:
Jarema (5) - Visor, Al Sips, Double A, edse, Punisher
Next:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053692896
This post.
I think Al Sips is ok.
I know I'm townie.
Nulls are nulls.
Choxorn is null but Zack doesn't want to lynch there even to generate information.
Double A looks ok to me.
Edse is himself but it would be easy to argue he needs to die. Edse is lock clear if Zack dies and is guilty.
El Barto could be scum, but it's interesting to note Zack barely talks about this scum read and doesn't push it. Could be townie too.
GH gets a d1 pass, based on how everything has gone down. Plus, GH is lock clear if Zack is guilty. Khaan and GH together probably not w/w. GH can be a wolf, but Zack wolf eliminates that idea.
Null person. Most of these nulls have to be villagers, and Zack is advocating shooting in there.
Jarema is scummy imo. Zack has him null.
John is lock if Zack is scum. John will lynch Zack d1.
Punisher is lock if Zack is scum. Zack calls him scummy.
Raith looks ok. Low information but ok.
Khaan- ?? Defense of GH does seem ooc for a scum khaan. He probably wouldn't care. I doubt he's a cop but he's probably town anyway.
Visor- probably townie.
But later on, Zack suggests there's a scum inside a mason, GH, and Visorslash, two of whom he's had as villager and the third is off the table for d1 due to possibilities of locking him clear.
When we get to the part of the discussion where more information happens, during the Zack-Pizza-GH conference post Khaan sub-out, Zack's contribution seems less enthusiastic. There's also very little nuance or volunteered information in Zack's posts during this time. This is a point in the game where the potential for scum-spew is huge, and a lot teeters in the balance, particularly with Zack being a prominent portion of the discussion. But he fades and it's mostly me and GH talking, with random interjections by others. He's quiet for a long time (in terms of "real time") and doesn't really have an argument why edse or why choxorn must be spared or killed. It's just political positioning, from what I can tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex
Summary
Zack has pushed on too many townies and suggested lynches which are low accountability and low information for town.
Defense of choxorn makes no sense here. He's got no reason to defend choxorn specifically, but as a wolf, he probably won't want to lynch choxorn today if choxorn is guilty, especially when there's a wealth of others to push. If choxorn is innocent, defending a villager is also good because of WIFOM and for crowd control purposes. What better way to discredit pizza than to be correct about choxorn's alignment.
But there's no real progression there from null to townie. Choxorn's pop in was wolfy to me. Dunno why Zack concluded he shouldn't be lynched, especially after he's an active participant in a discussion which says we shouldn't lynch a plethora of players because of how much information we'd have on them in the event X or Y flips guilty.
Zack becomes clear if edse were guilty. If he were even pushing that hard for an edse lynch, which he isn't. I also don't trust that to be the most likely outcome of that lynch, given how I feel about Zack.
GH's only scum read of the day is also Zack. If GH, Pizza, and Visor all think Zack can be guilty on day one? I trust that. Especially if I think 2 of those are townies and GH has been strongly defended by Khaan. I don't trust GH enough to lock clear him, but I know a route to doing so.
TL;DR
Help a mason out, and lynch Zack. He is a wealth of information if he's scum, and the scum team neither wants nor expects him to be dead this early. He also keeps suggesting actions which lead to villager lynches that I know of.
I hard claim it now because I want to illustrate how I know Zack's suggestions have been bad for town.
And because it's also a claim scums don't use. And because it was done under pressure with time left, especially, is ridiculously poor if I were scum.
Town needs an anchor it can rely on and know is town. This claim is too poor to be a scum one. I need village to trust me and help a brother out.
This will never be rescinded and is not a fake claim. If need be I can reveal my partner and have them also hard claim with me.
Don't make me do this, although I did make it obvious.
spicy read pizza
nice to have an active d1 on the org
i will read all i missed when i get home
What is the equivalent of lolcatting for villagers
Mod is going to sleep and will be back in several hours.
Have fun!
its still lolcattingQuote:
Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex
just ask leo
Not posting, probably. Although we did see someone falsely accused by the actual seer of being guilty, admit his guilt for all of the day in the champions exhibition game. So another spicy option is to simply admit you're guilty for the luls.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex
Then imagine I am posting lolcats nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Have fun
Real advice: spend the rest of the day pointing at people you want us to look at tomorrow if you flip innocent, and say who you think is villagery before you die.
Is the best way to be productive in this situation. Might even change my opinion too.
I won't get into why chox should never be lynched, but remember my hard defense of him when I flip town.
nahQuote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Vote: admiralkleenex
yolo
Any spew I leave is meaningless because I was lynched and not killed (and lynched before there was even an opportunity to decide not to kill me).
jarema/zack w/w can be quite possible
So I am going to just play video games and do homework the rest of this day phase. Probably have some snacks too, since I finally bought groceries today (the reason I was "being quiet" lol).
Assassin's Creed IV is fun so far despite its flaws. GH would like it, it's basically a pirate game.
Please analyze my spew in advance so everyone feels silly when I flip town. (this is where I would put the thumb smiley)Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I am going to bed, just so people know the reason I'm not responding.
I will be available for basically all of the rest of the day phase after sleeps. But I really need other villagers to take the football and run with it here, I've long been an advocate of the dirty work needing to be done by the vanillagers.
Even if you do me a solid and lynch Zack here, do not rest/relent/skate. Please assume I'm already dead, look at worlds where I'm correct, look at the one where Zack is town, too.
GN and GL
So you won't get fancy for us? Too bad. The peek is strong in this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Anyone not posting, simply to force them to show and not make mistakes. We can't have the same as happened in the CFC game last week where the only people posting were the dead players. So… atheotes, BSmith, jht, Punisher/Mat93 (seriously, why can't people use one single name across all forums?), AA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I also suspect you a bit (paranoia is a state policy) but I don't think you'd agree with us lynching you.
Now, people suspected for other reasons… GH because he's being testy on purpose. So I'm keeping my vote on him. Visor… you never know. But some fellow has made aggressive statements regarding this.
Ah, and if GH (the real one, not the wannabe) flips scum then we should look at the 'khaan more closely.
For the record, the flu is strong with me, but what are, exactly, your links between edse and the GH-wannabe and what are/were your suspicions of Jarrema based on? I might have missed it. Bye for now.
No such thing as a lolcatting equivalent.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex
Alright - I think I am caught up. Weekend opening means bad timing for BSmith. I was going to say I am the only mason here that I know of, but now that Pizza claimed I guess there is one for real in this game. Since it is within my obligation to help a fellow mason out if I am able, I'll vote: AdmiralKleenex. I will take Pizza at his word and help to see where this goes.
(to be clear I am NOT claiming to be Pizza's mason partner in this game - just trying to poorly inject a RL reference into the game)
All you're doing is come in and say that you'll vote for whomever Pizza wants you to. That's not very constructive.
Kind of want to lynch Bsmith for that entrance. Friendly but a bit over compensation? I haven't been here but I'm here now? Would evil Bsmith ignore or make light of that?
Pizza, why do you think I'm scum?
AdmiralKleeZack, why do you think I'm not scum?
Vote: AdmiralKleenex
I had some pretzelsQuote:
Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex
they were good pretzels
i like pretzels
thoughts on pretzels?
Best when dipped in cheese. The unhealthy kind preferably, but not that batter crap. Standards.
unvote; vote: AdmiralKleenex
thank you Sooh for counting my previous vote
jarema please give your thoughts on pretzels
Vote count:
AdmiralKleenex (7) - GH, johnhughthom, askthepizzaguy, Visor, BSmith, Golden1Knight, Jarema
GH (4) - AdmiralKleenex, Raith Kemmler, El Barto, Choxorn
Jarema (4) - Al Sips, edse, Punisher, seireikhaan
johnhughthom (1) - Double A
Not voting: atheotes
Khaan should get his arse back in the game.
We get it, you like playing with GH. But its a game, and nobody has immunity from a D1 lynch, that is unfair on the rest of us.
Khaan spewed himself town thanks to that.
Jaremas posts continue to be poor.
Visor. Pretzels.
unvote, vote: jarrema
you know i never had the american style pretzels when i went over there
this is a convincing argumentQuote:
Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex
Unvote; Vote: Jarema
lets make things spicy
me gusta
it is currently 6-6
i am interested to see who votes where
I still don't get why claim there
also i approve of this strategyQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
fwiw i am munching on pretzels this very second
Talking about pretzels to give the impression that you really don't care if you die, while you actually still care.
Its D1 right? you guys are crazy!
Vote: AdmiralKleenex
Pizza dropped a definite number of 3 Mafioso, I never saw him say he's assuming 3. Do we know it's 3?
Knew I could count on atheotes to vote for town Zack.
I never intended to give that impression. The point is that I don't care to defend myself. I will instead eat pretzels.Quote:
Originally Posted by edse
Find better shade to throw.
3 or 4Quote:
Originally Posted by edse
given sooh is from DM probably 4
Unvote; vote: AdmiralKleenex. I hate pretzels. Too much sodium and refined carbohydrates.
Moving off jarrema at crucial moment and trying to play it off with fluff is noted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar
This is where I give a hearty laugh at pizza expressing a desire to village together (with me), and also note how boring it is when most people on this site are content to simply sheep atpg.
I also use the roll eyes smiley, which is a sure fire scum tell when used in response to pizza.
And I'd like to finish by asking visor why I would say that thing as mafia. My play so far has clearly indicated a lack of concern for how I might sound.
There's probably something I'm forgetting. Good night, I might not make it back before eod, whenever that is.
fyi I started working out and can barely move my arms after two days
not playing video games this time
will get caught up later
Unvote; Vote: Jarema
:inquisitive: When i made that vote, i dint even realize who you were. I had only read the last page and saw a vote shift.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex
Now that i am reading, i realized your were Zack around post 13X.
who are pretzels?
thats your question?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarema
Enough with the pretzels.
You can be annoyed as a player, but not as a mod. It isn't your game to force the players to post how you likeQuote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I can force them to not spam, which is what I perceive all of this pretzels discussion to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
If you'd like to continue this discussion, feel free to PM me or use the Policy Discussion thread.
Jarema is more scummy than zAcK, for sure.
Unvote, Vote: Jarema
7 hours till end of day.
Very clustered voting. Not surprising with the high volume posters making accusations, but not sure how to read that wagonomics.
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex
John took deep offense at your bad mouthing the community! Or maybe he hates Jarema. Who knows? Votes without rational ahoy. GK, if I vote for you will give me an impression about things currently?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
GH and Zack are very unlikely to be Mafia together.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Pokes my village
Wonders why several of them not doing me a solid here
Continue on I guess
Vote count:
AdmiralKleenex (7) - GH, askthepizzaguy, BSmith, Golden1Knight, Jarema, atheotes, Al Sips
GH (2) - Raith Kemmler, El Barto
Jarema (7) - edse, Punisher, seireikhaan, AdmiralKleenex, Visor, johnhughthom, Choxorn
johnhughthom (1) - Double A
Not voting: none
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Slightly less than 6 hours to go.
@edse
Not that it should matter especially, but I know Zack was pushing more than one villager today and then suggested you for death when the idea was to pull off of GH and Jarema. If you're a villager this should be interesting stuff to you. You are also lock clear if Zack is scum. As such, your assistance would be appreciated. Also your post 374 looks indicative that you'd be receptive to this idea.
Choxorn probably always a wolf this game, regardless of the alignments of Zack or Jarema.Quote:
Originally Posted by Choxorn
How do you get that out of that post?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Genuinely curious.
Phrasing with assurance at the end coupled with bandwagon timing looks dirty opportunitistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Unvote;
Vote [Admiral Kleenex]
Less out of Zack guilt and more because I don't want to be one the same wagon ad Chox today.
Pushing for a cop or mason to be outed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Choxorn
I happen to be a mason so I know I'm not about to cause one to happen when I pushed on GH.
I also don't believe for a moment that Khaan's posts defending GH were cop result based. Because of how they were phased to include universes where GH might be guilty. You don't do that as cop.
And there's sufficient actual villagers pushing GH at this time that this is a safe maneuver for a scum and possibly forces villager claims.
Opportunistic piling on when GH is under heavy pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Choxorn
Solving question at Zack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Choxorn
Now read the posts in between this post and the post where he ties the vote between Zack and Jarema.
This is villagery behavior? Or wolf howling?
You decide, I guess. I'll be dead so someone will have to follow up on it.