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Vote: Cass
Yeah, you're right. You should probably vote her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
Luckily for you, El Barto is still at large.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sooh
Nah, I'll probably talk only mechanics all game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cass_
:inquisitive: No PRs in the game right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Idk. The wall GH posted at the start of the game was something he prepared in advance as per the sign ups, so reading into that and the votes he did shortly after seems reaching to me. It's different if he doesn't substantiate his votes more or change them though.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
Idk. OPs don't really give any clues.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
Fishing attempt noted though :P
Visor is one that scares me too. So is Zack. I'm trying hard not to let fear get in the way of reads/logical play though, and I don't think it should have much place on D1?Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
On the other side of Visor, he can be an amazing asset if Town and he's come out YOLO and guns blazing and is questioning/probing/giving opinions on a wide range of players, which I lean Town for now.
The power he's claimed is valuable to either alignment and one reason I suggest we elect him and let him use it is his actions should eventually speak for themselves/be a clue to his alignment.
He might be a Deep Wolf, but if that's the case we won't catch him out letting him play in the shadows imo.
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Originally Posted by Renata
I can understand that itch, but for me there's a difference between 'possibly opportunistic' and 'opportunistic' so maybe that helps. Using the former like I did means I'm still in the stage of trying to figure you out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
Jabbz is much in the same boat. I liked the confident way he handled the pressure from Zack's attacks on his case, and that he a) went back and reconsidered what Zack countered with and b) returned with a reason I could follow for the confusion he said he had.
On the flip side, I've questioned him a fair bit and I still feel uneasy about his early votes combined with the 'I'm lost' rhetoric/am waiting for replies/more content to give me a chance at a better lean.
What specifically don't you like about his replies?
What do you make of each of those players themselves?Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
I'm going to say it one more time. My criteria for voting someone for representative was, primarily, to put someone in there I thought I would be able to read, if they were town. Dp fits that criteria better than anyone else in my group, so I voted for him. He has since posted in ways that make me comfortable with that choice as being someone who actually is town. Do you get it now?Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
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Originally Posted by Sooh
Dp.
Rereading El Barto, I'm content with my vote.
Defence by meta doesn't wash.
Need to see some actual townie intent, beyond the self preservation.
He came out guns blazing and then he just sort of ran out of ammo or something. Since that first flurry of posts I don't remember anything but arguing with Monty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cass_
Nothing in particular that I don't like, but nothing that strikes me as towny in a way to counteract my first impression, either. You're giving him points for reconsidering his comments in light of Zack's correction, but what is a scum Jabbz supposed to do there? Argue? Zack was clearly correct on the merits, it wasn't even debatable. And it wasn't like it was a discussion over reads or anything either, it was just a misinterpretation of early comments. I'd think it would not be difficult for a scum Jabbz to give in gracefully.Quote:
Jabbz is much in the same boat. I liked the confident way he handled the pressure from Zack's attacks on his case, and that he a) went back and reconsidered what Zack countered with and b) returned with a reason I could follow for the confusion he said he had.
On the flip side, I've questioned him a fair bit and I still feel uneasy about his early votes combined with the 'I'm lost' rhetoric/am waiting for replies/more content to give me a chance at a better lean.
What specifically don't you like about his replies?
Winston -- townQuote:
What do you make of each of those players themselves?
You -- town, with reservations
I don't remember who the third person was.
renata how do you feel on me
ignore 'scary'
town/wolf?
yes..the eulogy(?) was not game related.(it was good, GH :2thumbsup:) i was judging his votes only based on his posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sooh
:stare: fishing? i was questioning if Monty was showing TMI!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sooh
i stated my positionQuote:
He came out guns blazing and then he just sort of ran out of ammo or something. Since that first flurry of posts I don't remember anything but arguing with Monty.
give me rep.
tell me, town/wolf
If you put a gun to my head, I'd say town. I don't want to get pocketed again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Quick read on atheotes, Visor. And El Barto I guess, anyone else who's shown up more recently.
Removing 'strange' from the assessment of Renata's original comment. Just went through Monty's ISO and he does mention NK's twice (I had it in my head it was once, didn't pay enough attention to that part of #87). Can't figure it out either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
its the way you phrased it. I read it as "being able to read AND being your town read", which was not possible when you voted. Its something that pinged me. I was hoping to get a second opinion. Nothing more for you to explain on this. I will just keep you in my suspect list for now :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
Dp101 with his standard townie look.
I'm seeing some hints of greater confidence here, which is something I'd expect from Dp as scum. Could just as easily be progress in his town game, though.
Does El Barto ever deliver Townie intent? I've seen him focus on self-pres in both alignments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
vote: Cass_Quote:
Originally Posted by Cass_
Reservations are silly.
El Barto wolfy
Atheotes null at the moment
Maybe light town but it's very light
Danke.
He can do townie intent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cass_
Usually he has to be dead to show it, but occasionally you'll get it when he's under threat of death.
Morning all.
Slight scumleans for everyone who was going on about mechanics, etc. a few pages back. That's Sooh, Cass_, maybe one or two others, right?
Slight townleans for the people who wanted us to get back on track.
DP101 looks good, though I do agree with Winston on the "confidence" bit.
Visor looks good.
No read on Jabbz, not sure where all the positive leans are coming from.
Winston seems relaxed and engaged, I'll give him a townlean for now.
The case(s) I made for Zack being Chancellor after my initial long essay post are genuine and I have no plans on changing my Chancellor vote.
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Originally Posted by Renata
This is a fundamental problem for me! I read Jabbz post and thought "his thinking is similar to mine - must be town!" :dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Yet, you guys think the exact opposite. explains why people find me wolfy all the time.
This is the kind of reaction/defense post I don't like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sooh
Vote: Sooh
Checking Visor ISO, after Monty starts at him, he mentions/comments on posts from you, Jabbz, Dp101 and GH, votes Sooh and gives lists of his leans/thoughts in a couple of places. I don't have Sooh in my personal vote-for-lynch range but I can follow everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
Wrt Jabbz, I don't disagree with anything you say there, at all, and will be factoring that in down the line. I don't really think it's worth going around in circles on, first read-through it and tone seemed Towny, other things were null to possi-scum and he could still go either way /shrug.
Also, lol at the 'with reservations' since it gets under my skin in the way you mentioned previously.
Holy jeez sorry guys it's been a hectic couple days
Just woke up gonna do morning things then post stuff that actually matters
HI I'm monstrman for those who haven't met me
How is that ever TMI? Might just as well be a claim for all I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
Apart from the obvious "night kills inform town who the scums are afraid of" I don't know either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cass_
I love you too, GH.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Monstrman, pls be town and be my friend <3Quote:
Originally Posted by Monstrbro
Vote: Montmorency
Vote: Winston Hughes
Vote: Sooh
My play is silly sometimes. Reservations are understandable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
So much for me ever getting sleep this game :rolleyes:
This is harrowing, since I assume it means he's also regularly an easy mislynch?Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
[v]El Barto[/v] until he steps it up/someone else is more clearly scum.
The 'one or two others' that would be in scumleans for discussing mechanics at that point would include Dp101, who you separate from that list and say looks good.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I've done more than just talk mechanics, don't like that that gets ignored.
Do you have a current read of Zack's play, or are you simply going with the intro post?
EBWOPQuote:
Originally Posted by Cass_
Aaaaaaaaaaaand it's way past time for sleep.
Vote: El Barto
For the same reasons I voted him, and Name, before.
Will catch up and try to be coherent tomorrow after sleep.
Also.
Monstrrrrrrrrrrbroooooo! <3
I'm not sure I like this post. The first couple of reads are awfully general (who even are those who should be given town credit for wanting to stop mechanical discussion, GH? Why do you think that's such a difficult thing to do as scum, to look townie?) and at odds with a post that otherwise shows recognition of specific things that happened (like Winston's post about dp). I know this isn't exactly a drop-dead scum tell after misreading Khaan last game in part over something similar, but rightly or wrongly, I expect a little more sharpness and genuine feeling from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Yes and FINEQuote:
Originally Posted by Sooh
reading now in italics so this sentence has more emphasis
How could anyone be too wolfy to be a wolf by page 2?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cass_
All I saw was a bunch of people electing Zack chancellor
Hi, just woke up, bunch of stuff appears to have happened. The confidence thing that a couple of you have picked up on is a mixture of 2 things. 1, I feel that to be a more effective town player I need to stick to my reads more, so I'm trying to be more forceful. 2, I felt that the mechanics were an interesting way that the game could be solved very easily, so having a clear goal that I could try to accomplish D1 gave me something to post about. Hope this clears that up, I'm open to questions/vague accusations as always. Oh, and the Renata town read comes mostly off of tone at this stage, she seems to be operating as town.
+1 town dice points for a post that reminds me of one he made the last game we played togetherQuote:
Originally Posted by dicetosser1
Cass on the rest of this page improves slightly, but I'd still like to see you answer my question tho cause I am very confused by it
I doubt these two are wolves together regardless because I don't think wolf dice makes the bold "elect a wolf chancellor d1" play
This is a villagerQuote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
Well I mean, maybe I guess
The biggest thing that reads villager to me is "I need to stick to my reads more" but I think that's more of a "echoes my playstyle" so I cant really say you're a lock villager for it as I implied but
Still villagery /shrugs
I've skimmed, sorry.
Nothing that sets off any alarms.Quote:
Do you have a current read of Zack's play, or are you simply going with the intro post?
I'll try to be more sharp and have more genuine feelings in the future though.
@dice, what for?Quote:
Originally Posted by dicetosser1
If you explained it I'm sorry for asking but mostly I want to talk to you directly because that is how I best make reads
I suppose it will be difficult at this forum though, especially with how busy I am
I just wolfed with Zack not too long ago so I'll see what I findQuote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
From what I recall he played mostly a utr pushing villagers game
Hehe.
Sorry.
Crossposts. That was aimed at GH.
Let me elaborate on this, Zack's been taking a pretty common-sense "we want townies as district representatives/idk what my plan is going to be, a lot of it will be depending on the game flow" tactic when questioned about his strategy, which is exactly what I'd expect from town Zack in a position of power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monstrbro
VillageryQuote:
Originally Posted by Cass_
Yeah makes sense to me also, but I'm still gonna read him for completeness sake and for my reedzQuote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Considering it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I like your claim, but I'm worried you are the kind of person who would just claim that power as scum so I'm gonna keep reading first
Ok nvm visor is a villager lol these are like literally exactly my reads and exactly my feelings about the thread up to this pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Visor
visor
In fact
visor
Just in case of formatting problems
Vote: visor
Vote: visor
Okok bbl fronds
Dp
Visor
Dice
Cass
Renata probably
Villager list of people that are town friends yay
No strong scum suspects yet
A few posts back have had some tone I don't like but this post prolly enough for me toQuote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
vote: montmorency
Prolly gone for a while now not sure if I'll make EoD this started at at really hectic time in my life
I'll be around more later tonight if I haven't missed anything
Playing on my phone and skimming because my compuser is broken so idk exactly when deadline is but I'll try to be back
Scum are in a better position to guess if there are any town PRs and what they might be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sooh
hence i think it is coming from a position of added information. The fact that i have not liked Monty's posting also makes me lean wolf rather than town PR.
OK. all caught up.
best strat is to divide into as many small districts as possible. Vote for the towniest players to power. Play game like regular mafia. Try and force the rep to vote with majority or atleast give proper explanation. somehow.
Not sure what to make of Visor's claim. perhaps there is no need to worry about it for now.
Town: Cass, Winston Hughes, Visor, Jabbz, dicetosser1. maybe Zack and Dp too.
Willing to lynch within: Renata, GeneralHankerchief, Montmorency, Sooh, El Barto
Vote: Cass
Vote: Zack
Vote: El Barto
Current tally. request everyone to check their votes.
Pizza, if this is not really useful let me know.
Blue Green Red DISTRICT ONE Rep Chancellor Lynch Schema Cuthillius Renata Dp101 Cass Jabbz Choxorn Zack Dp101 Cuth GH Winston Jabbz Dp101 Cass Zack dicetosser1 Cass GH DISTRICT TWO Winston Hughes Winston Visor El barto BSmith Visor Visor Visor Sooh Csargo Winston Monty Sooh Riedquat Visor Visor Visor El Barto El Barto El Barto Renata Monstrbro Visor Visor Monty DISTRICT THREE Montmorency GH Cass Visor Al Sipsclar Sooh Sooh Zack Cass_ El barto GeneralHankerchief GH Zack Sooh Zack Zack Zack atheotes Zack Cass El barto
That tally is very nice.
My Internet is out. I,m useless on a phone so don't expect much if anything until it's fixed.
I'm saying you bounce around a lot from idea to idea and stance to stance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
pretty sure I blued Cass.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
but yay, El barto and I leading the lynch so far.
Happy to see you trust me enough to make me a contender for at least one of the positions today :P
Sure, you can catch a wolf day one, statistically its possible, and it might happen often enough that you get a sense of confirmation bias surrounding it. That doesn't mean its likely, or even probable that the reason you actually got them was because they did something that led to their righteous demise. More likely by far is the fact that you got lucky, and your brain doesn't pay attention to the number of cases where you were SURE you had a scum, and they turned out to be town. It's not fatalism or defeatism, its just reality. I prefer to accept that, and focus on day 1 content with the intent to use it in future days as an established baseline for trends and a backdrop to check future arguments against. It's effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
The only one of these I've seen reasons for is me, and Im not so impressed with that one. Reasons for your other reads please, particularly GH, Monty, Jabbz, Zack.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
Fine. I don't much care about that right now, though, would rather have reads as opposed to an excuse for not having any. Let's see this focus on day one content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jabbz
isn't the best way to establish trends and analysis to treat it seriously and play it like any other day?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jabbz
it reminds me of how i played in aspiring rappers on d1 (as scum)Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
i don't understand why so many people are town-reading jabbz, i feel like i am taking crazy pills
if anything it seems like artificial support from wolfbros
vote: jabbz
anyone hesitating to make a read out of fear of being wrong deserves a slap
then the people in his electorate obviously like his work. Plus we see what he does and can evaluate KNOWING he is DVQuote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
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Originally Posted by Cass_
the paranoia comment is me thinking what scum might do in a situation.
I cant find the one with visor in it I think it was disc world but this is a scum game I replaced into http://personalitycafe.com/mafia/870...-town-win.html
don't think I lasted long
lolperc
I wasn't sure what this meant when it was first posted, but now I'm even more confused, as you make it sound like something official. What do you folks mean when you say "Hardclaim: Liar?" Inside joke, or something more meaningful?Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
You realize that's the same criterion I put forth, for the same person, and I'm pretty sure I put it in before you, though I could certainly be wrong on the timing. Why exactly don't you like me again? Genuine question. (Sorry used to a forum tool that lets us pick out individual players so it's easy to quickly scan through every post of a specific person in a hurry. My kung fu at going through manually is less developed)Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata