Europa Barbarorum

What are the plans for Numidia and Carthage in this MOD? Because everything I have read about this period (Start of the 1st Punic War) has shown Numidia firmly under the Control of Carthage in North Africa until Rome (Scipio Africanus) intervened in the 2nd Punic War and bribed over one of their kings.

While I do think the Numidians should be in, I also think that Carthage needs most of North Africa... Numidia should perhaps be confined to the more southern areas of North Africa as an ally or client state of Carthage.

In Polybius histories about the rise of Rome, Carthage was described as a real power in this period and should be a lot tougher than the wimpy Carthage we have at the moment.

(You might want to put me down for general work on the Britons, Carthage and Successor states)

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Originally Posted by The_Emperor

What are the plans for Numidia and Carthage in this MOD? Because everything I have read about this period (Start of the 1st Punic War) has shown Numidia firmly under the Control of Carthage in North Africa until Rome (Scipio Africanus) intervened in the 2nd Punic War and bribed over one of their kings.

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khelvan and I had a discussion about that. My oppinion was that they were more of a vassal state than a conquest. His oppinion matches yours. Guess I'm wrong then.

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Originally Posted by The_Emperor

While I do think the Numidians should be in, I also think that Carthage needs most of North Africa... Numidia should perhaps be confined to the more southern areas of North Africa as an ally or client state of Carthage.

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The big problem here (fortunatelly solvable) is the lack of provinces to keep Numidia and Carthage from being destroyed too quickly. With the new map, with added territories, that will be much easier to avoid.

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Originally Posted by The_Emperor

In Polybius histories about the rise of Rome, Carthage was described as a real power in this period and should be a lot tougher than the wimpy Carthage we have at the moment.

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Not at the moment. Only with the RTW release version. The EB MOD Alpha 0.1 has a stronger Carthage. The Alpha 0.2 will have an improved map, making Carthage and Numidia stronger.

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Originally Posted by The_Emperor

(You might want to put me down for general work on the Britons, Carthage and Successor states)

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Great. I'll add you to the list. :thumbsup:

My opinion is that Carthage is not so weak as you say here. I have played the games factions 2/3 now (all in short campaigns) and Carthage did manage quite well. They have 2 good town with makes quite good money. They have problem only with distances and need of strong fleet.

I decided to make all effort in Africa and after secured mainland try to take back islands and finally throw some troops to Italy. It worked. In history we know that Hannibal decided to walk with his troops over Alps. I waited untill had power to cross the sea and then invaded Italy.

I wonder how come Hannibal didnt get troops in Italy, he got many states under his cause after Cannae, but couldnt enlist troops from those. Did he even try to build up his army in Italy ?

Well sorry for a long post, but I thing Carthage is not to be made too strong. It is allready too easy play (I allways play VH/VH)

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Originally Posted by Finnbat

I wonder how come Hannibal didnt get troops in Italy, he got many states under his cause after Cannae, but couldnt enlist troops from those. Did he even try to build up his army in Italy ?

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Well he did, but those Italic states that switched sides merely kept the troops in garrison of their own cities and the Tarantines kept the Romans besiged in the city's citadel. Brutii Tribesmen were enlisted to fight the romans as well as what Gauls could be throw together, but Italic troops generally saw to their own cities rather then being part of Hannibals army.

Hi,
I was told to come here... maybe you'd be interested in what I'm doing. My mod goes in a similar direction to yours... I've managed already to expand the map to the east 50 pixels, as far as the Aral Sea, and include some eastern provinces for Parthia, as well as change most of the names in Europe to more proper ones, based mostly on Ptolemy and Tacitus... Are you interested in that data?

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Originally Posted by eadingas

Hi,
I was told to come here... maybe you'd be interested in what I'm doing. My mod goes in a similar direction to yours... I've managed already to expand the map to the east 50 pixels, as far as the Aral Sea, and include some eastern provinces for Parthia, as well as change most of the names in Europe to more proper ones, based mostly on Ptolemy and Tacitus... Are you interested in that data?

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Have you had any glitches or other problems with extending the map as you have?
If not them you can help by telling us how to do so. Ded Moroz is the guy working on the map graphics, you should PM him and see what the two of you can come up with.

Hi guys , My post is in the other thread , If I can join I would like to contribuite making consulence about historical accuracy of units since I have plenty of tables of historical units shape that I could post , I can use 3dsmax so I would like to make this warrior for the numidian faction , the Garamantes Warrior I think that it should substituite the numidian legionary that i find out of place and useless.....but i dunno how to get rid of the testudo formation style , and anyway this should be a utit of light infantry , bonus in desert , fast mostly a moderate bonus versus cav since it is a spearmen but not with a long spear as the phalanxes , and then could engage in close combat , probably its formations should be not in order so a bit messed like the non professional archers

Welcome PROMETHEUS. Send Amyar a PM

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Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS

Hi guys , My post is in the other thread , If I can join I would like to contribuite making consulence about historical accuracy of units since I have plenty of tables of historical units shape that I could post , I can use 3dsmax so I would like to make this warrior for the numidian faction , the Garamantes Warrior I think that it should substituite the numidian legionary that i find out of place and useless.....but i dunno how to get rid of the testudo formation style , and anyway this should be a utit of light infantry , bonus in desert , fast mostly a moderate bonus versus cav since it is a spearmen but not with a long spear as the phalanxes , and then could engage in close combat , probably its formations should be not in order so a bit messed like the non professional archers

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Well, I like your ideas. The testudo won't be a problem. We can assign different pre-defined special habilities to units.

As for joining EB, I've answered to your request in the other thread.

Hi guys,

Khelvan directed me to PM Aymar, but I keep getting a "Aymar de Bois Mauri has exceeded their stored private messages quota and can not accept further messages until they clear some space."

Cheers

Dictator Sulla
aka
Dictator in TW Centre
aka
Pedro Gustavo Martins
in plain old real life

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Originally Posted by Dictator Sulla

Hi guys,

Khelvan directed me to PM Aymar, but I keep getting a "Aymar de Bois Mauri has exceeded their stored private messages quota and can not accept further messages until they clear some space."

Cheers

Dictator Sulla
aka
Dictator in TW Centre
aka
Pedro Gustavo Martins
in plain old real life

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Another Portuguese?!!! :grin:

Ainda bem que escreveste o teu nome na vida real. Estava quase a dizer: "Mas quem é este chato que anda a desenterrar threads cheios de teias de aranha?" :joker:

Podes mandar-me um PM, pois já esvaziei a caixa. É melhor para conversarmos sobre o EB.

A propósito, não estás a pensar fazer juz ao nome do teu avatar, pois não? O EB é demasiado democrático para isso... :wink:

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Originally Posted by Aymar de Bois Mauri

Ainda bem que escreveste o teu nome na vida real. Estava quase a dizer: "Mas quem é este chato que anda a desenterrar threads cheios de teias de aranha?" :joker:

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I could guess at most of what you wrote above, but what is "teias," and what does it have to do with spiders? :)

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Originally Posted by khelvan

I could guess at most of what you wrote above, but what is "teias," and what does it have to do with spiders? :)

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Yes. "Teia" is "Web", as in "spider webs" = "teias de aranha"

The full translation is:

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Originally Posted by Aymar de Bois Mauri

I'm glad you wrote your real life name. I was almost saying: "Who is this nag that is digging up old threads full of spider webs?" :joker:

You can send me a PM because I've emptyed my box. It's better for us to talk about EB.

BTW, you are not planning on justifying your avatar's name, are you? EB is too democratic for that... :wink:

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Hah, silly ~:)