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x-dANGEr, this can only happen if you are using a shared connection. If you have a wireless LAN, check if anyone hacked into your connection and exploiting it. If it is an ordinary LAN, I don't think you would not notice some other cable plugged into your modedm to share your connection where you reside.
Wow - what a match against Poland. We watched it in a crowded sportsbar (fanatastic atmosphere) and the last 20 minutes really had averybody on edge.
Good fight by Poland - but in the end they were just too tired and the deccicive goal was more than deserved and overdue.
I wouldn't say that our team was "great" but they were clearly very enthusiastic and driven by the homefield advantage ... let's see how far this motivation will carry them...
Germany will lose to Equador though. Spain was impressive, bad call in the box by the ref.
Edit: I meant Germany not Poland!
Germany vs Poland - one of the best games so far! I was personally hoping Klinsmann would make a substitution to get Odonkor in the field - a fast guy was exactly what was needed to break through the Polish defense. He got a bad start but got better and better for every offensive, eventually making the extremely accurate pass to the 1-0 goal :2thumbsup:
Loved the Germany Poland game. Was rooting for the Germans all the way, so glad when they finally made a goal. Was a bit disappointed in the Poles though, they played a good defense but they rarely tried to move the game into the German half of the field.
Poor Polish, of course germany was meant to win but geez :no:
Red card was justified, in my opinion; those are the rules. It was, however, outseide the box and should not have been a penalty. Spain looked the strongest of all teams so far in the first round of play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rythmic
Good win for Germany (it really hurts to say that). Lucky in the end but well deserved. It shows that you needed a Swiss born player to score the decider, eh? :2thumbsup:
Quid
No doubt about the red card. But, the majority foul I saw was commited outside the box.
What for? For winning when they were clearly the better team?Quote:
Originally Posted by SSNeoperestroika
What? The ukrainian did nothing wrong. The spanish forward (Torres?) either fell because he misstepped/slipped or stepped on the ukrainian defenders boot (which is how it looked to me in the replay) which made him fall down. And the "foul" was made inside the penalty area :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Quid
Or was a foul commited before the penalty box that I hadn't seen?
Incredibly poor flagging and reffing though, simply unbelievable.
So many offsides that weren't offsides! Argh!
Czech Republic is my secret favourite for winning WC.
Serbia can play much better, but team couch Petkovic choosed 100% wrong tactics against Holland with some wrong players.
Ah...as I didn't see the Poland - Germany game I wasn't really surprised they won, judging by their earlier performances.
All in all it's a bitter defeat for the Poles, a draw or even a Polish win would have made the group stage a lot more interesting.
Still, good job Germany!
No, probably for scoring in the last minute and failing to do so earlier because they were the better team. They have had a long history of scoring in the last minute, and even more so with beating teams in that fashion when their adversaries were clearly better - even though from what I've read they were clearly better than the Poles in yesterdays match.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
What would you have done, if you were the coach ?Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeofSerbia
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Actually they haven't such a history:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
BBCQuote:
Originally Posted by BBC
And as you said - they were clearly better (I don't think that Poland would have had reason to complain is the final score had been 3-0)
OK, I'll give you that. I'll accept the fact this is the first time they actually scored in the last minute. Although my meaning was clear, as I was referring to the 3 times they scored in the last 5 minutes. Stealing a victory like that is just as cunning as it is undeserved. Please note that I am not talking about yesterdays match when I mentioned underserved win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
Indeed you are right, now they can argue they were just as good as the Germans, but just lacked the fortune the Germans had. And that is also how such a late goal is perceived most of the time. But we just went over that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ser
A 3 - 0 on the other hand, says it all.
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How is scoring in the last 5 minutes "stealing a victory", "cunning" or "undeserved"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
Would you use the same words if it was the Dutch team that scored a winning goal during the last 5 minutes of a game (i.e., within the regular time - not quite sure what the last 5 minues are supposed to be used for if not for trying to win by scoring goals)?
Not if they had seen the game... (I wonder a bit on which basis you are making such statements if you haven't seen the game)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
Oh common, germany was the better team and they deserverd to win. I feel sorry for Poland to lose in such a way, but in the end I am glad Germany scored. Must have been that angel on the goal we temporarly borrowed them.
Well if a team, any team, is obviously the lesser one on the field and then manages to score a winning goal in the last 5 minutes of the game, I call that ''stealing a victory'' and the ensuing win ''underserved''. Germany has been the victim of this kind ilfortune, but has also done it a few times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
I do hope I made it clear that I wasn't talking about yesterdays game because I had not seen that game. I merely heard Germany was way better than Poland. And thus deserved to win. I was talking in a general sense.
If we were the lesser team, and scored in the last 5 minutes of the game - then yes, I would not consider that a great win and certainly underserved. I'm not argueing the last 5 minutes should be spent merely passing the ball round in the defence, but I did make it clear how I feel about a team who clearly steals a victory - in those last minutes. Again... I'm not talking about yesterdays gameQuote:
Would you use the same words if it was the Dutch team that scored a winning goal during the last 5 minutes of a game (i.e., within the regular time - not quite sure what the last 5 minues are supposed to be used for if not for trying to win by scoring goals)?
Indeed, note how I was talking about those who hadn't seen the game, not my own perception of the score,and thus only had the final score to make their judgement upon.Quote:
Not if they had seen the game... (I wonder a bit on which basis you are making such statements if you haven't seen the game)
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You were actually directly referring to the other three times that Germany won due to a goal in the last 5 minutes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
Why was it "undeserved" and "stealing" in those three games? (prehaps you know more than I do, for I do not even know which games that would be apart from the Paraguay game in 2002)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
I have a bit the feeling that you still have the 1974 Worldcup finals in mind when you refer to the German team undeservedly "stealing a victory"
I agree, the red card and PK should not have occured. The Ukranian defender pulled his shorts a little outside the box, but let go while inside. The thing was though, that pulling of the shorts isn't really called unless it's really blatant and that is not what the referee called. He called the red card for when the Spain player tripped and fell on his own butt.
Equador - 2 vs. Costa Rica - 0
This game seemed a bit one sided. Everyone thinks Equador is so great and everything. You know what? Germany is going to put them back in their place. You'll see.
Well it'll most certainly be an interesting match, I think both teams will go all the way considering they both want to have the best qualifications for the quarter finals !Quote:
This game seemed a bit one sided. Everyone thinks Equador is so great and everything. You know what? Germany is going to put them back in their place. You'll see.
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Hoi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
Long story... Petkovic called his son to WC then he sent him home as Serbian public became mad. Pure nepotism. He called Nenad Djordjevic to be right back and he put him into game. It was the first great game for Djordjevic. And of course Roben did what he wanted on Serbian right side in first half. Koroman did't played from start. Savo Milosevic played in attack beacause he need now only one game to rich his 100 game for national team. Not to mention coward tactics - so called "bunker".
We can beat Argentina with drastical change in tactics and some players must play from start like Zigic and Koroman.
How Croats played against Brasil brave?
Netherlands is average team and nothing more.
2-0 to england!!!!!
Hehe, England got owned for 83 min. I found it hillarious that England's goalie got megged even though it didn't count.
It seems that Polish players are happy with fact they reached WC. Now they play as group of tourists.:dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
There are several criticisms that could have been made of the team, but the bottom line is England have won two games, are through to the second round, and haven't conceded a goal yet.
It seems you're right ! Which is strange since I wasn't meaning to reffer to those 3 times they scored in the last 5 minutes, really , I don't know why I wrote that. Sorry for that. :skull:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
Oh and for the record, those 3 games did give the German team quite a reputation.
Well not really, in that game the Germans scored twice in the first half (or very early in the second, don't know for sure), meaning we still had more than enough time left to repair the damage. A shame we lost, the individual class of our players was better, but we lost - we should have made a goal, we didn't. As much as I would like to say you stole the win, you didn't. Though I do maintain we had the better player, but that doesn't automaticly win you the game as was the case in '74.Quote:
I have a bit the feeling that you still have the 1974 Worldcup finals in mind when you refer to the German team undeservedly "stealing a victory"
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Originally Posted by DukeofSerbia
I must say the Serbs did impress me, especially Koroman and Zigic, they were close an several occaisions.
What tactical changes would you say are needed to beat Argentina ?Quote:
We can beat Argentina with drastical change in tactics and some players must play from start like Zigic and Koroman.
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Serbia can do a whole lot better, but calling us 'average' is a bit much ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeofSerbia
The worst game in the first round was Paraguay - England. In second untill now is England - T&T.
England had good defense, strong midfield (one of better) and average goalkeeper with pathetic strikers. Rooney is injured, Owen out of form and Crouch ...:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: Backam is out of form, too, it's obvious.
Stevie Gerrards goal was class. :2thumbsup:
Be ashamed anyway :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
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Originally Posted by DukeofSerbia
Well when serbia are sent home tomorrow you can watch some better footie matches when england prove, after this slip up we are better than today's performance. Watch the sweden game and against a more attacking team the game will be better
I do agree our offensive capabilities leave something to be desired. Sven should have taken Defoe or Bent instead of Walcott-especially since he doesn't seem to actually want to play him.
Errrr esqueeze me but I think you mean...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bar Kochba
2-0 ENGLAND!!!
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For me you are. Coward tactics of our couch was crucial. As we played as Croats against Brasil you would lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
What to add? I watched game on Croatian state televison and I they know Serbian team much better then we know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
As you know, our group is "group of death".
100% offensive from start. Vidic (MU) is out because of injury and that's great loss for us. Zigic, Kezman and Ljuboja from start as strikers. No more Djordjevic as right back. Koroman from start in midfield. But, that will never happend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
P.S.
Lag on this forum is killing me...:wall:
Well to be fair, I didn't find Croatia to be playing as good as I thought they were capable of, but maybe they just weren't able to play there game against Brazil ?
Also why wouldn't your coach position Koroman on the right flank of the midfield?
Surely he must have left at least some impression after your game against us...
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Depends by what you mean by out of form, IMO he was shocking at Euro 04, but IMO this is just the new way he plays, he's older now so he doesn't make blistering runs down the wing, get Lennon if you want that. But look who swung the ball in for Crouch, Beckham, look who basically scored the Paraguay goal, Beckham. To be honest I thought he'd jsut gone crap whilst at Madrid but I was pleasantly surprised with his performances, but then maybe I set my expectations very low.Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeofSerbia
Anywho, another three points, Rooney back, Rooney getting back to fitness, play him a bit in Sweden game, bit more for game vs Ecuador/Germany in last 16 and then he should be around his best for Argentina/Holland game (first test, which tbh I think we'll lose unless everyone, especially Rooney plays out of their skin).
Wow, congrats to Trinidad and Tobago for the effort put in. England didn't play to full potential, but still, it was good fighting. Crouch's goal was long overdue and nice shot to Garrard.
Sweden should have scored so many times before the goal in the 89th minute. Good job to Sweden for getting first goal in the first round. They averaged 3 in prelims. Ha to Paraguay for getting kicked out.:laugh4:
England were poor today, and Trinidad and Tobago were unfortunate not to get
a goal at the very least. Also have to feel for Paraguay going out so painfully
yet again. At least it was not to undeserving Germans.
[Still have hope that Serbia can pull something out of the bag - and more
confident that Croatia can get out of their group.] ~:)
Just because Germany is the best doesn't mean they're undeserving.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSNeoperestroika
Deustchland! Ftw!
I thought England's performance was decent enough. Great crosses by Beckham, a belter by Gerrard.
Any team would've had difficulty breaking TNT's well-organised, defensive opposition. England need to diversify their strategy up front a bit, less long balls at Crouch. But with the return of Rooney that problem looks solved already.
My feeling is that England is gaining momentum. They could definitely go all the way.
Germany is gaining momentum too. They've done it again: when the tournament starts, they're there and they deliver. I've got to respect them for it.
Their mentality puts everybody else to shame. If only we would have even half of their fighting spirit. :wall:
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Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon
I hope France can improve. While I think Switzerland might have done enough toQuote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
even warrant getting 3 points from that match, it's worrying to see players like
Henry not performing.
I'll pay ten bucks to any team that takes France out of the cup. It's one less team I see seeded ahead of Germany. And there are 13 teams too many in front. Germany is seeded 19th.:wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by SSNeoperestroika
SSNeo: I was messin around. I know they're not the best, but they have a shot and being my team, I have to support them no matter what.
Bastian Schweinsteiger
Michael Ballack
Phillipp Lahm
Lukas Podolski
My Fab4 :laugh4:
I'll pay ten bucks to any team that takes France out of the world cup. Get it over and done with. :shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon
:no:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Henry and Zadane are overated.
Brazil can suck a ****. I'd rather see ANY team win the world cup than Brazil. DEUTSCHLAND ÜBER ALLESQuote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, über alles in der Welt.
IF MY GERMANY DOESN'T BEAT THEM, THE CZECH'S WILL!
:germany:
Why is the team England and not the UK?
:help: (I want a team Missouri)
Wow, that was a great game by Trinadad & Tabago, but it was just a matter of time before England scored. I dont think that Henry is overated, he saved England's tail in the first half with that great volley and again later when he ran down a forward on a breakaway. I wasn't too impressed with England for the first 84 minutes or whatever, but they picked it up. I also wasn't impressed with England's goalie he did get megged as bettkicker19.
If you see what Henry can do for his club, you might reconsider - unfortunately theQuote:
Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon
team just doesn't seem to be there to support him at a national level, at least from
what I've seen.
There are separate teams for each of the UK home nations. They would neverQuote:
Originally Posted by Malcolm Big Head
play together.
Hm. Henry? As in, Thierry Henry?Quote:
Originally Posted by AwesomeArcher
Man all I know is England scared the everything outta me today. Gotta have better finishing touch. One does have to give credit for T and T, they played a packed, but stout defense.
Does anyone else think that Brazil isn't as good as the pre cup hype. I just didn't see the oozing of greatness out there. Spain had better passing than Brazil in the opening game.
Brazil were nothing special, but the commentators and pundits still don't fail to
talk them up. [*grumbles*]
Anyone but :brazil: Go 1. :germany: 2. :england: 3. :mexico: (They better stay in or all the free stuff Im getting will stop) On a side note does any one else look at Ronaldhino and shiver?
Man strike thats what makes him good, is that he's so ugly you can't guard the man. Defenders throw up when they see his face.:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Braziilian ex-pats living here in Australia are preparing for a big night,
the game starts at 2AM local time !
according to some Brazillians that i know the best thing about Brazil and Australia playing??
no matter who wins THEY GET TO PARTY!!!! :balloon2:
GO THE ROO'S
B.
Tell me if this sounds right to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by IrishMike
He looks like a horse. Am I right? Look at him and you will deffinetly agree. Rooney isn't a looker himself. I guess if you're good at soccer, you're ugly! :laugh4:
And SFTS: Germany being your number one pick as well as saying anyone but Brasil has made me develop a new view of you.
DEUTSCHLAND ÜBER ALLES
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, über alles in der Welt.
There is a chant for you. NOW SAY IT!
That chant would have "some" negative connotations and is usualöly frowned upon here in Germany.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon
Thanks for the support for our team though ~:) :2thumbsup:
You know what I hate, UK press!!! Instead of supporting the England team all they do is F*ing critise it! If your not supporting your country of what use are you?!?!
Henry isn't overratted, he's the best striker in the world at the moment. But he does play a lot better for his club than his country, but that's down to who he's playing with and when he was playing against Switzerland he was alone up front.
But yeah it was a good fight that Trinidad and Tobago put up but it was inevitable that England would score at least one. Terry was man of the match for me though, he played very well, saved us from about 2 goals and well he was just second to none.
Agreed. :balloon3:Quote:
Originally Posted by Taurus
Henry is awesome, and being an Arsenal fan I would have to say yes it does come down to who's supporting him up front. Terry played well, hell infact the entire defense played well!!!
Now when we finally have scored a goal, we can correct that :evil:Quote:
Originally Posted by Big King Sanctaphrax
Sweden – Paraguay 1 – 0
Zlatan Ibrahimović again played without motivation like he played second part of season for Juventus. Allbäck played good and he have to start match against England.
Note about referee: Luboš is the best referee by now in World Cup.
@BKB
I don’t care if we lost against Argentina. Only rare in Serbia believe that we can win and I also believe that we can do nothing. I bet on Argentinean win.
Just listen when “national anthem” of Serbia and Montenegro come on turn in today game. Serbian fans will whistle on “national anthem”. You know why is that? In every competition anthem “Hey Slavs” (or in Serbian „Hej Sloveni“) is whistled in last 10 years. Red Star’s fans even boycott matches of national team (Red Star Belgrade is the largest and most popular Serbian football club, second is Partizan Belgrade) because of flag, coat of arms and national anthem.
Argentina – Serbia and Montenegro
Expected Serbian starting team (couch Petković said on conference that will be one surprise, Ljuboja is confirmed in starting team, he replaced Kežman; expected formation 4-1-3-2):
3. Dragutinović
10. Stanković 9. Milošević
20. Krstajić
1.Jevrić 17. Nađ 11. P. Đorđević
6. Garvrančić
7. Koroman 21. Ljuboja
4. Duljaj
Confirmed Argentinean starting team (by Pekerman yesterday, expected formation 4-3-1-2):
3. Sorin
18. Rodriguez 7. Saviola
6. Haince
1. Abondancieri 8. Maskerano 10. Riquelme
2. Ayala
22. Gonzales 9. Crespo
21. Burdioso
What to say – Argentina is clear favorite. Serbian couch Petković on yesterday meeting with press: „Argentinians play nice and modern football. First rule is that we don’t receive (?) goal, however I don’t prohibite players to attack. No runing, we have to be pacient. You know against we play?“
Serbian journalists speculate that Nikola Žigić could be in starting team as secret weapon, but I don’t believe in that. Most likely again “bunker” tactics. No Vidić in team because of injury is great loss. Dejan Stanković is out of form and he never played well for national team. I will add that on media conference mood was bad obvios.
Pekerman announced offensive from start. Cambiasso is replaced with more offensive player Gonzales. Lionel Messi is fit for today match.
I thought Stankovic played ok against Holland last saturday, and he surely is the best player ot have on that position - or is there some other talented player that can play there also, who I missed ?
Hope Serbia can inflict some damage on Argentina, but I doubt it.
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Argentina team play and build up are something to behold. The second goal was a fantastic team goal. They look a very tasty team indeed. They don't rush on scoring goals but hit you on the counter attack and dismantle you. Very good stuff but Serbia were actaully playing some nice football till the second goal
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Originally Posted by DukeofSerbia
Good there was no match between Serbia and Poland... our anthems have the same melody for some reason, jeez this would be weird...:inquisitive:
Not looking good for Serbia. It seems only one mistake will cost them a goal. Three and you're down 3-0.
LOSE ARGENTINA!
Soulforged: Who ya goin for? :laugh4:
Impressive show Argentina !
The second goal is a beauty, the ball was passed around 25 times before they scored, impressive really !
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Netherlands are gonna win!:2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
I do hope so ! :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon
Hope Germany and Holland 'll meet in the quarter finals by the way, now that would be interesting !
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That first half was certainly Argentina at it's best!
I don't think second half will be worth watching though, they'll probably save their tricks for later games now that they are leading with 3-0. Serbia broke together almost completely after 1-0 and a series of about 2-3 dubious referee actions. The coach seemed to give up already from start, which explains how the first goal and a few dubious referee decisions made the Serbian team give up. A pity, because judging from their performance in last EC and other games they have a lot more potential than they showed today. Then came the 2-0 goal - the most beatiful goal in the entire WC so far IMO, after which the Serbian team gave up completely. 3-0 was probably the second most beautiful goal of this WC, but by then Serbia had already largely given up so it wasn't an as impressive show as it seemed.
I'm pleased to see Argentina being able to score with longer distance shots too (1-0 goal), it means they've got what they've been lacking the last few tournaments. Without the ability to threaten opponents from a distance they only had the close short passes tactics which tended to get get bogged down and easily stopped by teams with good defense. With good long-distance shots they can threaten the opposing defense in more ways and get more flexibility.
I'm making myself a Germany shirt right now. I will buy some replica jerseys later, but now I just got a white T-shirt, put the German flag on it, put DEUTSCHLAND on the front. On the back I have DEUTSCHLAND UBER ALLES IN DER WELT! :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
Clegane: what is a good chant for Germany other than that?
Good night, Serbia and Montenegro.
Looking forward to seeing the Argentina Holland match now. I think some people
might just be looking for a little revenge for that day in Marseille.
5 - 0 now. No, no, no. :no:
Holland will put Argentina in their place. FORZA HOLLAND!Quote:
Originally Posted by SSNeoperestroika
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Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon
Our revenge is not against Holland, you must know that.:skull:
Very Dutch. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon
[6 - 0.]
The second half was just as exiting as the first, really, argentina at its best.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix
They even brought in Messi, who then proceeded to humiliate the Serbs even more, eventually giving the assist that led to the 5th goal. And then made the 6th one himself.
And I agree, goal number two was the best goal of the WC thus far.
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Argentina played well.
Wow, Serbia got absolutely thrashed. That was actually quite painful to watch.
Currently watching Netherlands VS CIV.. Man, what's the matter with this referee? As far as I counted, he had 'ignored' a penalty kick for the CIV, given one of their players a yellow card for nothing and counted the 2nd goal for the Netherlands which was an offside (As far as I believe).
Edit: (For comments, had to go at those last lines)
Man.. The 2 first goals in the match were both awesome.. Really nice! Seems like a well game through the first half. Good job to both teams ;)