Emperor, to be honest there is nothing in it for him. He will just die, will he not? I would not give myself up to certain death easily.
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Emperor, to be honest there is nothing in it for him. He will just die, will he not? I would not give myself up to certain death easily.
OT: Do you think that when posting messages in this thread we could give the messages the felling of properly adressed messages that seem lees like little personal coversations?
Yeah it might be a good idea, but the current posts are quite entertaining to read as well :wink:
Are there still many who havent posted their answers?
Yeah, me. I have been a little busy with other things...
Take the 'brunt of the attack' Rus? Who borders both the Crimean Tartars and the Ottomans? Who has fought the Turk for years with his husaria and Cossack? Who has met the Janissaries and defeated them? The Rus only seek to expand their lands at the expense of Catholic neighbors, who stand before the corrupt Ottomans and fight!
But what right do you have Muscovite? You are nothing more than a rebel tsar, someone who seeks the throne through force, and not through elections by boyar! Announce your candidacy, and let the boyars decide who should rule? Someone who can bring them peace and prosperity for only a few years of war, or a ruler who will oppress, and fight tooth and nail for years on end, wasting away his nobles? Why fight the masses. Give into their will and surrender, let this war pass.
OT:I enjoy these proclamations and letters. Very entertaining.
I have been elected, as opposed to you, Sigismund. You know that you attacked me first, so let it be known I am not expanding my borders. I am however, fighting a defensve war against an already defeated opponent. Where will you go? The cunning Swedes have invaded and the Turkish juggernaut is coming your way. Why do you waste away in Russia? Why do you not send help to your people? I assume it is because either you do not care about them, or you are to stubborn to see that you cannot win. Sigismund watch your tongue, and like I said earlier your women. Whoever takes your queen as his bride can keep her!
My loyal troops see right through your deciet and it will only be a short matter of time before everyone else does.
I can see it now: Warsaw crushed under the Turks and Swedes.
To Matthias, the Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire and King of Bohemia and Hungary
Imperator Augustus,
We are filled with sadness to see, how you violate our amicable advices and appeals. In returned, you chose to affront Us, the King of France and Navarre. Catholic lovingness has caused Us to forgive you this lapse.
Now we see that you reward the warnings of your own electors with violence. We had told you before that We would not accept this.
However, Our Catholic belief will make us forgive another time, preconditioned that you regret and repent.
We challenge you to retreat your armies from the Protestant part of the Empire, pay the damage and restore the rights of your electores, retire from the throne of the Holy Roman Empire and open the door for new elections.
Should you not accept these conditions before the new turn is started, We will have the honor to meet you on the battle ground.
Louis XIII, roi de France et de Navarre
:spain: ANNOUNCEMENT:france:
Philipp III., King of Spain, King of Naples and Sicily, King of Porugal and Louis XIII., King of France and Navarra, King of La Nouvelle France sign a pact of non-agression.
His Catholic Majesty the King of Spain wishes to celebrate the agreement found with his brother the King of France by inviting Him and all other catholic monarchs and noblemen in Europe, and also His Majesty the King of England to Sevilla, where a great ball will take place next Christmas night.
The Tsar applaud's the King of France for his forgiving heart and his love of religious tolerance. He is also happy to hear of the Non-Agression pact in the west.
His illustrious majesty wishes to publicly congratulate the King of France's opposition to the repressive rule of the German Emperor and salute his choice of signing a pact of non-agression with the King of Spain. May Allah bestow his mercy and compassion on him for he is a man of virtue and wisdom.
His Imperial and Holy Majesty The Emperor Matthias. To the nations of Europa and Asia
Like a mighty Rock, I stand against the waves of the cowardly, and the un-godly. You the French, whom for we stood against Brandenburg to protect you're special trade treaty. Now we see what you're intention was, to have an excuse to invade the God given lands of the Germans! We shall not waver or fall. To you the Spanish, who once were our brother, yet abandoned us when we wished to protect you're Dutch posessions, now you wish war. Why should I, lawfully elected Emperor stand down because a rebellious traitor wished to take it for himself? I offered him a fair trial, by which I swear on the hallowed name of God! yet he did not wish to come to terms legally for he knew he was in the wrong, so now he wan't war.
Then, It is War.
May God have mercy on you're souls.
Spain does not wish war against the HRE, but if the Emperor so wishes, Romulos and Remos were brothers also, and that did not prevent bloodshed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bopa the Magyar
I do advice the Emperor to review his position as I would hate to see a Habsburg as a vassal of France, or worse, the Ottoman Sultan.
As of your accusations, I will blame them on the age of the Emperor. For if it was not for Spanish intervention war would have been upon You several years ago. His Catholic Majesty King Philippe is tired to play his brother's keeper, and so he removes himself from the matters of the HR Emperor.
Spain will not go to war against the HRE unless provoked.
Such is the word of His Catholic Majesty King Philippe III
I never wished to take the title of Emperor!! I only wished to discuss your actions in Bohemia and Poland in a fair and open manner but you attacked me! Now you wish me to stand a trial that is sure to be unfair to me. I did not wish to come to terms because I DO NOT WISH TO DIE BY YOUR HANDS. When did I want war? You my would-be Emperor wanted war. I only wanted to discuss your actions which is mine and all German lords rights as nobles. Now you have the whole world bearing down on you what shall you do? You will never be able to stand the might of the French and the Ottomans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bopa the Magyar
God grant us victory,
Duke of Brandenburg
His Cathlic Majesty the King of Spain announces that from now on, the territory formerly known as the Spanish Netherlands, becomes the Spanish Province of Wallonia, with Capital in Brugge.
I'm going to be away for a week, so I'll probably not respond to any PMs in that time...
To our noble enemies.
The Holy Roman Emperor and all his lands announce a cessation of diplomacy with all those nations whom wish war.
So, the "good" German Emperor has bit over more than he sees himself able to swallow?
"Holy Roman" Emperor,
The Tsar is outraged with your reaction to the Duke of Brandenburg's statement. He was asking to council you and discuss your position in the Russo Ottoman-Polish German conflict rationally and you call him a traitor? How dare you? You do not think rationally, rather, you are driven by your emotions and are distant in spirit from your people. You are acting so irrational that your Brothers in arms are willing to stop you by force. You shun the Duke of Brandenburg who was once your loyal servant. And why? For taking a strategical point of view, for looking out for the German peoples of your Empire? Foolishness and stubborness cloud your vision, and the only thing that will purge the land of your wretched rule is your blood!
Now the Poles and Germans see this is a loosing conflict, and they are merely buying themselves a smally amount of time before they are crushed by the Pan-European Coalition. You cannot stop the wave of Ottoman riders, the ferocity of the Tsar's Cossacks, the ingenuity of the Swedes and possibly the guns of the French. Now, the conflict is looking dismal for you, so the Tsar suggest you and Sigismund of Poland to take a most humble stance toward all of the nations you both respectively have insulted.
We in Poland, are tired of this un-fair conflict between us and the Muscovites. As such, we are officially calling on the Tsar Vasili to end this conflict between Us and your People. We are asking that the Muscovites.
Sign a five-year armistice between our nations.
Have a meeting of all Boyars in the Russian nation, to decide between Vasili and Wladyslaw. Maybe a consular rule can be achieved? Have the candidates attend this meeting, with the armies a fair ten miles from the city. Whoever is chosen signs the five-year armistice, and we discuss borders with them. During the meeting the Polish army will reside ten miles from the city. A cease-fire will be in effect between the acceptance of this proclamation, and the end of the meeting.
If Wladyslaw is elected, he will be disowned by the Commonwealth, and be free to rule as he sees fit. Vasili will disband his army, accept this decision, and retire from the throne.
If Vasili is elected, then we will accept it, and withdraw all Polish troops and candidates to a new border, and be content with a five-year armistice.
We hope you agree to this fair, judicial, and constitutional decision
I seek one compromise, I have already been elected and I will stay as the Tsar. Other than that, I see your armstice as a very good idea. Now, one question arises, if and when the "Holy Roman" Emperor hears of this, will you stand against his possibly hostile actions? Of course you will be aided by all the nations I have dubbed the Pan-European Coalition (Ottomans, Sweden, Myself, and more in the future). War with the HRE seems inevitable, so I just want to know if you can directly aid our cause, or you can indirectly help by allowing us safe passage.
From the court of King James the First of England and Sixth of Scotland
"It would appear we live in moumentous times.
The Kings of Europe would do well to heed the lessons learnt by the ourselves and his highness, the King of Spain - war only brings death, despair and destruction. The honourable resolution of our difficulties enable both countries to flourish and bring civilisation and the word of God to the New World. Words and sharp intellect achieve so much more than the dull instrument of the sword.
We announce the following:
We will send representation to the meeting of Protestant nations.
We graciously accept the invitation of the Spanish King to his Christmas celebrations and thank him for his splendid invitation. Moreover, we call upon the Kings of Europe to use this opportunity to resolve their difficulties and prevent the scourge of war stalking the continent.
As a nation with nothing to gain from a conflict in Central Europe, I offer my services in any negociations to prevent such a catastrophe."
God bless the King!!!
So the Spanish Netherlands is no more a heritage property of the current King of Spain,but rather a integral part of Spain? We in the Republic of the Netherlands are bit confused whether the Spanish crown thinks that the people of the lowlands have turned into Spanish over night and are bit concerned that the people of this so called Wallonia might feel bit indifferent about the decision of the Spanish crown like we felt also few years back when the Spanish crown tryed to achieve that in our current Republic.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwordsMaster
The embassador of the Republic of Netherelands
Since a satisfactory agreement cannot be reached to peacefully trade the former Spanish Netherlands for something of similar value, the territory will be part of the reforms undertaken by the king to centralise the administration of His Realms. The indifference of the inhabiants, if it is expressed against the king, will be prosecuted as treason and punished will all harshness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
If the Stadtholder has anything to contribute to the negotiation, the King will receive his embassadors in private (by PM).
:france: Announcement:
The French King offers every subject, that has to leave his country because of war or persecution, shelter and support. Refugees can either settle in the Paris area, where they will find jobs, or go to the King's colonies in Afrique, India or La Nouvelle France, were they will receive land to settle.
His Catholic Majesty the King of Spain is proud to announce:
That His Majesty the King of France, Louis XIII has graciously agreed to strengthen the ties between our Realms with a double Royal Marriage. Anna of Austria, my daughter will marry the King of France himself, and Elisabeth of France will become part of the Habsburg family by marriyng my young son Philippe.
I invite His Holiness to officiate both ceremonies.
The Royal Family announces the engagement of Marie de Medici, the widow of the former King Henri with Francisco de Borja y Aragón, conde de Rebolledo, príncipe de Esquilache, Viceroy of the Carribean. The espousal will be celebrated at the Spanish court at Christmas.
The Republic is always ready to talk about about treaties.We will contact The Spanish crown during weekend.(Bloody business trip and full pm box not a good combo:embarassed:)Quote:
Originally Posted by SwordsMaster
Embassador of republic of Netherlands
The Tsar gives his blessing to the Royal Families of Spain and France in their time of new peace and prosperity. May your respective and now joined families enjoy endless generations of peace! The Tsar would also like to apologise for his not being able to pruchase gifts for you. He is always on the move as of late, trying to convince the wayward children of Russia to come back to the good and honest rule of the real Tsar. He has said that he will give an official gift as soon as matters at home settle down.
Surely the Tsar of all Russias could rustle up a toaster or waffle iron for the newly wedded couple:laugh4:
What is a toaster? A new torture tool?
Your highnessQuote:
Originally Posted by Franconicus
It is a cunning device which heats both sides of a slice of bread - or should I say "pain" - evenly to produce an evenly browned piece of grilled bread known on these shores as "Toast" No doubt, with the benefit of a twisted mind, it could be used as an instrument of torture, but the agents of King James has far more cunning weapons of persuation in their arsenals such as the comfortable chair with soft cushions.:laugh4:
What heresey! Warming bread to a britle golden brown, let alone flat bread!
In all honesty, the Tsar would rather not give an instrument of torture because that is an instrument of pain, he will give a peaceful gift. He is giving consideration to an exotic animal.
As a wedding present, The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth would like to offer four fine Podolian horses, sturdy, powerful, and the pride of the Commonwealth.
The Tsar should be elected, no matter whether you were elected before, I say we see what the people think now.
Seeing as the turbulent times will not cease for a long while, the Tsar gives two Brookei Peregrine Falcons to use for hunting or other sport. May you live long, fruitful and happy lives!
The Holy Roman Emperor gives
a warning.
We see through this ruse, and thus give you our enemies ample warning, do not presume that this union shall make you masters of Europe or Germany for that matter. Any movements around our western frontier shall be considered you're mobilisation and an invitation for conflict to begin in earnest.
The Royal Family thanks everyone for their magnificent gifts, and wishes to extend an invitation to the ceremony to the Royal Families of Europe, including my brother the HR Emperor, despite his grudge against me for defending the interests of my realms instead of the borders of his. I also offer myself to mediate between the HR Emperor, and the powers that seem to threaten his sovereign territory if he so wishes.
Holy Roman Emperor, it is merely a wedding to end conflict between these two nations. They will do nothing against you, this is only a wedding between two Royal Families that shall bring unheralded peace between the two nations and nothing more.
King of Spain, the Tsar is most pleased with your attitude towards a peaceful solution to this Central European Paranoia. The Tsar will also send a diplomat and his wife to the ceremony as he has to stay in Russia currently. Keep in mind this is no surrogate, but he would like to reward the officer who releases such statements as this for his loyalty.
There is no need for warning or solemnity, Holy Roman Emperor, rather for joy and pomp.
We in Poland are sending the Cardinal of Warsaw, a fine Catholic man and relative of the King, to the wedding ceremonies.
We hope that you will intervene in this conflict, as well as the French, and end this bitter war with a mediated election of the boyars, selecting either Vasili or Wladyslaw.
I ask that the Spanish and French send a hundred men into Moscow to allow the Polish troops withdraw and avoid any confrontation, or have any accusations of cheating run through the halls of Europe.
I hope that the Rus Vasili will agree, so that the people of Muscovy be allowed to chose who will rule their nation.
Afterwards, I ask a five-year armistice be signed, and that whoever may be elected as Tsar be acknowladged by all of Europe, and the other decline the throne, and leave the nation.
Then afterwards the Polish and Rus will decide a borderline.
This is a fair, judicial, constitutional decision that will settle this war.
From the Tsar,
No, you bribe my citizens with promises of riches you don't have! You say you will give the boyars more land, but in reality all you will be doing is decieving them into voting for your fool puppet ruler. You have insulted me by invading me and now you do not have the humility to leave things the way they were? You cannot invade, decide to back out yet think you are the one who should be making requests. Nay, it is the other way around. I will be the first to suggest peace, but never will I abdicate my throne, especially to a Polish pretender. I am in a position to make demands, not you. I do not have a giant army of savage Turkish warriors poised to wreak havoc on the heartland and destroy my cities. If I am correct, that is you. Apparently, you hold very little to sway my mind. I advise you to rethink your proposition. I would like you to know that I am an incredibly stubborn ruler, so this constant suggesting of the same proposition does no good. Revise your deal!
Fom his most Holy Majesty, The Emperor of the German Nation.
So called "brother", that is the king of Spain, the time for bandying soft words was past long ago, when you betrayed us by withdrawing support for me when I protected the road through Julich-Kleve on you're request.
Do not presume that we have respect enough for you (if any at all) to allow you to condescend to us as a mediator.
As for that man with a false throne, the pretender to the Russian throne, I would have expected you to denounce a man who lost the election for the throne, as you seem to wish peace. As for any claims on behalf of that traitor of Brandenburg, did you not hear his accusations? That I was falsley elected? That I had brought a holy war onto the lands of Germany? The fact that I had not demanded any support, but merley asked, as I would wage war through my own inherited lands, did not spring to anyones minds. Indeed that fool of a Russian imediatley sprang upon me. Niether did it come to you're esteemed Lords that he was infact a traitor to his Emperor. Has it niether come to you're attentions that I was most generous to the people of Bohemia? That I spared everyone and allowed them to practice their religion? Yet I am deemed the instigator, when I had done nothing to Brandenburg, indeed I was going to leave him alon, since he had withdraw support from the rebels.
But, as per usual, France and Russia's greed for Imperial land made them willing to accept the lies of Brandenburg. I offered him a fair trial, by which I swore my honour. Yet he scorned me. What am I to do? When France threatens me with war if I do not protect my honour and Empire. I a Hapsburg am to be made to heel to a Frenchman!
You who so wish war upon me, will have it, but not before you're soldiers fear the night they sleep on German lands, not before the people turn them into women, crying for their mothers.
For we true Germans detest nothing moret han the foreign heel upon German soil.
Do the Nations of Europe see how we are stopped at every proposition of peace? The Muscovite Vasili has time and again rejected the olive branch the Poland has offered to avoid further conflict. We can still fight, don't think that we will bow before the pressures of three nations so easily. We seek to avoid further conflict, war, famine, destruction, and a larger war, so that we don't smash our heads into a wall, and ruin our country in the process.
I've been approached by the French, with an offer to mediate a peace deal. I have accepted that offer.
My request are:
Swedes return conquest and sign a five year armistice, for a 1000 ducats/skalders
Ottomans officially proclaim ending of the conflict between us, and I will do everything within my royal power to curb the Cossacks of the Dnieper, the Zaphorojans, and keep them from your homes and borders.
The Boyars be assembled in Moscow, and they hold an election. The French or Spanish moderate this vote. Cease-fire is in effect for the entire election. The Polish will withdraw from the city. Whoever is elected shall rule Muscovy, and the other will leave Muscovy. Then a five-year armisitice is signed to ensure peace between our nations.
This is a plea, a call, to end this bloodshed where it started, my fear of the Muscovite threat. Their boyars, soldiers, warriors, who stand at my borders.
Nations of Europe, support this fair, judicial, and constitutional deal. Vasili has my word, if he gains the throne, The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth will withdraw their candidate and troops. May the Lord Almighty send a thunderbolt to kill me if I don't stand by my word.
Oh Vasili, why do you fear your countrymen? Why do you fear what the Almighty God decides in their minds? The Polish and Russian throne will be kept seperate, and if Wladyslaw takes the throne, he will be disinherited by the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, another man on another throne.
We appeal to the Boyars, call on Vasili to join in this election. Do you want to see more bloodshed, more famine, more warfare sweep across your estates? For one man's stubborn hubris? We will carry on this war as long as Vasili does, but if you desire peace and comfort, call on him to end this war!
Nations of Europe see how I try and beg for peace that is better than having a war that the manpower of the Poland-Lithuanian Commonwealth can drag on. Our manpower pools are a well to your barrels of men. We seek a mediated peace between the main aggressors, the two who started the conflict, not to end a war with his allies who only seek to gain land at the Commonwealth's expense.
The Tsar says he is considering your more descriptive proposal, but he will not sign an armstice with the "Holy" Roman Emperor.
Matthias, we all have our short comings, yet do not judge the King of Spain. In every one's mind he is a fair and just man, with no need to break treaties without a perfectly good reason.
This proposal is Commonwealth to Russia, Sweden, Ottomans.
The Holy Roman Emperor is not involved in this dispute, and has nothing to say on this matter.
Much better! The Tsar is still thinking this through.
His most Holy Lord, the Emperor of Germany.
Why should you, false lord upon a false throne wish any armistice with us, whom you are not at war with? Again you show you're willingness to stea German Lands. My Lords, may wish to not attack Ottoman lands, that is their due, yet the Holy Roman Emperor shall not wither from such a task.
To the French, note carefully, that if you declae war on us next year, we shall not be so merciful as we were to the Bohemian rebels.
Praise be to Allah, the merciful and compassionate for He has once again seen it fit to have peace between his children! ... However may he also grant strenght to all those who feel threatened and who oppose the despoty of the Kaiser. May the almighty's retribution be swift and terrible so that this tyrant shall never again threaten his brothers!
OOC: I accept the peace offerings...
OT:What about decisions for the next chapter?
The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth commends the Sultan for his wise judgement to end this conflict.
OCC: Payed by you to me?Quote:
Swedes return conquest and sign a five year armistice, for a 1000 ducats/skalders
Sweden also demands that poland return her conquests in Livona to sweden.
The Tsar agrees to the Armstice! A joyous day for all!
Oh glorious Augustus!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bopa the Magyar
All nations bow in front of your wisdom.
France will not declare war after the next turn. If you read 328, you see that this is already done!
To all:
France is glad to hear that the conflicts around Poland and Russia are going to be settled. This news is the best wedding gift!
Just a small point re tsar treaty - apart from voting who should hold the Muscovy city, does it also apply to who owns the other cities that were part of the Muscovy faction? Because Vasili would at this time know that he can't be entirely sure of winning the election, so the peace offer from Poland is dangerous...
I'll be back to answer all questions etc. in a few days
The Spanish/French will have a hundred troops there to ensure peace and correct voting procedure.
What Polish conquest in Livonia? All the land is ours. I'm paying you for war problems, since we only fight for money and allies, not because of any actual problems.
So we have Russia, Ottomans, and maybe Swedes. Everyone please send a PM to Legio, halting all troop movements, attacks, etc.
The King of Spain has agreed to send 500 men to ensure there are no pressures from either side in the great city of Moskow. He counts on the honour of the King of Poland to ensure that these men get to the city and back to Naples safely, and requests that both candidates to the throne leave the city for as long as the election process is going on.
His Catholic Majesty is glad to hear that the conflict will have a peaceful resolution. We would like to suggest, that whoever loses the election for the crown, is granted a place in the Duma to be able to contribute to the affairs of the country in the future.
To the HR Emperor, Matthias, what is wrong with you? Is it war you seek with me? I tried defending your best interests that were mine, but when I got involved in war you failed to assist me yet you expect me to protect your borders? Do You think I'm a fool? Now when I remove myself from this conflict in the best interest of my realms and serfs you accuse me of treason! I will not tolerate such an uncanny lack of decency.
If there is another insult directed to the King of Spain, my troops will march into Germany. You are not welcome at the wedding party anymore!
Regarding the Russian Election:
France offers his assistance. However, we would like to know more before we decide how to help,
Who is allowed to vote? I guess only a limited number of noblemen, right? Do they come to one place to vote at a time? Does it have to be Moscow? Could there be another place, that is easier to control. Maybe even a meeting abraod? Is there a discussion before or during the election? What should be the role of the French/Spanish troops? Observation or securing? Some hundreds of soldiers may not be enough to protect the meeting.
I assume that both Russian sides guarantee safety and supply of the French troops. I also expect that the safe march to and from Russia will be guaranteed.
From theThe Tsar:
I would know like to tell the boyars that if there is no Vasili, there will be no Mikahil to keep Russia safe. I strongly urge all the boyars to vote for Vasili! A vote for me will serve the country, not to mention you! (Hell if GW Bush got reelected, why can't Vasili?) I ask of you to not be ruled by a Polishman, but by a fellow Russian.
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Also, the Tsar wants to reform the Boyar system! He wants the Boyars to have more of a say instead of being just advisors. The Tsar acknowledges his mistake in making such haste to fight Poland. All wars will now be voted upon. Every year, all Boyars will vote for the foreign policies. The Tsar also wants to point out that he will not have a vote, rather, he will act as a moderator during these votes. The Tsar, though, will still have control of military strategies, yet he will listen to the advice of the Boyars.
I am not sure if I can safely enter Moscow currently. I suggest Novorgood, for I can control it definitely and provide safety
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Kaiser, your rigid foreing policies are making you extremely unpopular with all. It seems as though you are trying to start wars so that the other Catholic nations will be excommunicated and only you will recieve the blessing of the Pope, but know this: Russia and the Ottoman Empire have no religious boundaries against war with you! You seem to be obsessed with poking the Lion with a stick, knowing that soon its cage will be opened.
Before you took command over Vasili, he got to power by killing the former tsar False Dmitriy I. There has been a long civil war, including the quite turbulent time of Boris Godunov followed by almost total chaos during which the many False Dmitriy pretenders appeared and several tsar pretenders thus fought for power. In the middle of this mess, the boyars, as was common for nobles and powerful people of the time, saw a chance to exploit the weakness to strengthen themselves, by assisting whichever side granted them the best offers. Vasili was one of these boyars. He was initially supported by many of the Russian boyars because they believed he would grant them more advantages than the previous Tsar, but his supporters quickly changed sides when they saw an even better opportunity of pressuring more advantages, especially after Vasili had gotten too powerful for their tastes. They knew that a Polish puppet on the Tsar position would be easy for the boyars to control, since the Polish would consider it excellent to see Russia as a military threat (more for their numbers, economy, difficult logistics to conquer through normal campaigning, and future military potential than for their tactics and troop quality) out of the picture. In return, the Russian boyars would get peace during which they could pursue their interests more actively - so the treaty would gain both the boyars and the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. Historically, the Polish king at the last minute decided to not have his heir convert to orthodox faith, and instead tried to take the Tsar position from himself, something that resulted in a disaster for the Polish. After the Polish forces run out of economical support for their campaigning, unpaid troops and desertion was followed by a big Russian revolt led by some of the poorer Russians from Nizniy Novgorod destroying the 6,000 man strong Polish Muscoy garrison by besieging them within Muscoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by IrishArmenian
Secondly, the "nobles gaining influence" thing of the era was (unlike the institutions which also allowed a voice for merchant classes and even peasants) hardly any form of democracy or idealism, as the nobles often wanted different things than the people - strengthened rights at the expense of freedom to own land etc. for the peasants working for them, often resulting in near slavery or at the very least a proletariat without almost any rights at all. This set off something that could have become what the French, American and Russian revolutions were already during the 17th century. There was one major Russian revolt during Boris Godunov, which was defeated not without trouble, and a very large Polish revolt (a few decades after the current time of the Interactive), which played a major role in the gradual Polish weakening which ended their era of greatness. In many ways, the earliest cases of absolutism in Europe during this period could often even be more benefitial for the peasants and other poor than oligarchy consisting of the nobility usually was.
Touche, Legio. But I stand firm! I must have peace and the Russian throne!
By the way, when is the next chapter?
I would allow Tver. Troops and diplomats can assemble there from both sides, since it is between the two nations, it can be access by both. The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth asks that the Spanish and French take ships to either Novograd or Ryga, then the Poles or Rus will secure your transport to Tver.
The French and Spanish are there to defend the Duma assemblage building from any rebels, and secure the officiality and fairness of the vote. The Poles and Rus will not enter within a mile of the City, and the armistice will be extended from now on. No more warfare, combats, fights or intentional sort between the Polish and Russian troops.
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Wladyslaw has issued a proclimation to all the Boyars of Muscovy, Novograd, and the lands of the Rus.
I am here to ensure peace, tranquility, and domestic prosperity for the nation of the Rus. The Boyars will be given rights such ability to elect Tsar of Russia. Boyars will be given the rights that are held by the nobility of the Commonwealth. The Right to Religion, Right to Veto, Right to own serfs.
My heritage of Polish-Lithuania will be revoked by my father, and I will become a Rus if I am elected. Rights wil be maintained, and the Boyars may call the Duma together whenever they chose to address problematic issues.
I will be baptized by the Russian Orthodox Patriarch, and will become an Orthodox Christian.
From the Tsar:
To ensure good peace, I will send a diplomat as a hostage to the meeting where he will be transferred to Polish hands for the duration of the meeting and more time if needed, but not too much for he has a family and will be needed elsewhere. If I attack you, feel free to kill him, but I must have the meeting in Novorgood. Tver is full of squalor and death from the recent sieges. Novorgood has yet to be touched and currently I have to look after myself. Also, one last request, if I loose the election, I would like to stay as an advisor and a Boyar. No more, no less, just a common Boyar.
Very good, Novograd it is.
You will be allowed to become a boyar, as Wladyslaw if he loses.
The Commander of the Hispano-French force, Don Francisco Laso de la Vega, will take control of 500 spanish soldiers, and join with the french force of 500 men and sail from El Ferrol in Spain, to Brest and then following to Riga. After that, He will wait in port for Polish supplies and guidance to escort him and his force to Novgorod.
Thank you, Wladyslaw will be a much respected boyar at that. Probably in charge of Russo-Polish relations. And thank you for saying yes to Novorgood. The thing about Novorgood is that I can currently guarantee safety for you, and I can only do that in few other cities. I assume you accepted the hostage too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Murat
I'm back now, and have answered all unanswered questions I could find. If I forgot some question, just ask it again. Re status of this turn, I'm still awaiting decisions from
BRANDENBURG, ENGLAND, OTTOMAN EMPIRE, SWEDEN, TRANSYLVANIA
correct me if I'm wrong!
Re the Polish-Russian peace, I'll give both sides some appropriate options to choose from next turn.
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Originally Posted by LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix
So many?! :inquisitive: Come on guys, you've had enough time! :whip:
I'm pretty sure I sent you my decisions.:smash:Quote:
Originally Posted by LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix
@Csar: yes you are correct! I found your options, but in another place than where I thought I put it ~:) however, your reply for the options 1 and 4 was missing. I remember that you did choose an option there, but it has disappeared from my notes through my clumsiness. Has to do with how I had to go away for a week... All other options for all others should be intact though.
I just sent my actions...
Yep, I've received them ~:)
You want me to resend them?:yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix
With the armistice, will military decisions between the nations be affected?
The Polish are more than willing to provide supplies to the Hispano/Franco Army that lands in Ryga. I am asking that all Voyevodes and Starostas accomidate the thousand soldiers as far as the Russian Border.
To the Elector of Brandenbourg.
We would ask you to come to trial at a place of you're choosing, to be tried by a fair court made up by free election of judges from within the Empire. As already stated, if you are found not guilty of the charge of treason and seditous acts against the Empire, you shall be recompensated after a formal declaration of loyalty to the Empire and whoever presides in it's Imperial throne.
We ask you to be compliant, for if you do not, we will not halt the advance of war upon you're lands.
His most Holy Majesty, The Holy Roman Emperor.
From the Tsar,
I will have 1/4 of my main army meet you there and act as an escort force. They will bring sufficient supplies for not only themselves, but the Franco-Hispano force as well. The rest of my army will be on security detail in and around Novorgood.
Emperor Matthias, I advise using an international tribunal. I doubt the Duke of Brandenburg and Prussia will say no to that. Every nation will send an emissary to the trial, the Holy Roman Empire and Brandenburg will not have a representative, but keep in mind there will be many Catholic nations so it will not be biased. The international jury shall hear both sides of the grievance and will then proceed in deciding on
We must have peace now, or the peace meetings will not have any backing behind them. I, most humbly ask you for a recess from your military advancement.
yes! :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Csar
The Holy Roman Emperor
We do not recognise you Pretender, we will not recognise you until you have been properly elected. This is also a an internal matter and therfore none of you're buisness, we do not threaten you with trial and war.
We await an answer from the Elector.
King James begs your forgiveness for his tardyness and he has dispatched a messenger by swiftest horse with his intentions for the next few months.:shame:
Any person and their family no matter their crime or nationality can ask asylum in Spain and will be granted land in the spanish posessions in India, as long as they convert to Catholic faith and swear their allegiance to the King.
Madrid, Duke of Lerma
I have been crowned once before, so watch your tongue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bopa the Magyar
The Tsar.
The Spanish diplomat in Amsterdam is pleased to announce that Spain and the United Provinces have found an agreement and that a non-agression pact has been signed by both sides.
The King believes this should encourage trade as merchants no longer have to be fearful of Dutch or English pirates and privateers.