Printable View
I fixed Wonderlands bug after I uploaded the save, but he's good on that. I was unaware of Silver Rusher's issue but I'll look into it.
And I'll take a look at Servius's legate business also..that doesn't look right at all, it should be seven years as a tribune unless I'm mistaken.
What happened to the posts where someone was RPing Oppius? I've been holding back posting till I saw them, but they haven't appeared...
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=70510Quote:
Originally Posted by Mount Suribachi
Yeah, maybe I should have announced the thread's creation.
But everybody please take a look at, and make use of, the new thread.
"The Will of the Senate - Personal IC Reports" Econ's already linked it.
It's intended to let everybody participate more with in character storylines and move along some sub plots, if not just to add a little bit of in character background and drama to the workings of the senate.
Too many pbem's turn into the typical "this pbem started as a story and then, well, eventually just turned into one big battle report." I've always seen the WotS as more of a multiplayer documentary than a pbem, and historical drama really makes documentaries a lot more interesting. :2thumbsup:
EDIT - Ouch, Servius comes home and he's got a rather nasty bark in the senate. I guess two and a half years chased through the desert and a manipulative clerk pulling strings back home can do that to you. (Reference to Servius's attitude in the deliberations.)
Do consular elections get weighed by influence?
You get an extra point added to your vote for your influence points.
Last elections I only had 1 point, my single vote behind me. This motions period I'll have 4, one for my vote, and three for three influence points.
I fixed the problem with my former legate trait too, that's gone, it's at tribune where it should be.
Who was Silver Rusher's character?
Silver Rusher's character is Gnaeus Hordeonius, although to be honest, I think the player may be inactive.
:jawdrop: The crap just hit the fan in the deliberations. :jawdrop:
Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
Well I completely missed that one! :dizzy2:
Ha, this should be interesting to watch it play out ~:)Quote:
The crap just hit the fan in the deliberations.
edit: Very nicely done all three of you on the Personal report! An interesting read.
I was playing around with a german campaign to see how they played on our set of mods and found this in the british isles.
https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/ItsLugo/humor.jpg
Nice to know that even though the goal of the mod was realism, the rtr team still had a sense of humor!
That's a barrel of laughs, methinks.
Just to let people know, I will be away from 20th October to 6th November.
EDIT: And so joining the Upper House until 7th November.
TinCow has kindly agreed to be the acting Senate Speaker during that period - as I do, he will roleplay the Speaker as a separate character from his general; Verginius won't be Senate Speaker. He will also oversee any administrative issues that may arise with the PBM, but from past experience, I suspect things will look after themselves.
If anyone needs to invoke any moderating powers (e.g. editing threads) etc then Myrddraal is the other forum moderator, but again, I doubt that will be necessary.
Those warlocks got me thinking: what if someone modded a unit to basically be an energy sink? i.e. 0 attack, extremely high defence... they would be the ultimate "pinning" unit because once engaged, they would never die, and never kill their enemies! I think these drumstick-wielding fellows are the prime candidates for such a position.
OK, sorry back to our regularly scheduled programme...
And the game would lose all of it's fun factor, because you'd have a unit that could never die... boring.
Very true, and I speak from experience because I just tried it with Gallic peasants. I'm not sure why I thought such a thing would be enjoyable, but it's pretty insanely dull. Don't try this at home.
I remember vanilla spartan hoplites being disgusting though too...they basically did not die unless you mass cavalry charged them in the back half a dozen times.
From what I understand from Lucjan's statement in the deliberation tread, you meant to conquer all of Carthagian land by the end of your term? I was hoping for a little more drawn out battle on that front, a mini 3rd Punic war, where after a short truce, we finally wipe them out. If you take them out now, or at least their most profitable and coastal cities, it will make it hard for them to mount a credible challenge again, and that front will be dull again. :P
Just my 2cents worth of opinion, I always keep the enemies alive to spice things up abit in my game. :P
Too late I realise I didn't understand the seconding part of the midterm motions. Apparently some motions were not seconded enough? My fault for not asking earlier.
I'm not worried about the amendment, I can see where that would be a real pain in the * (asterisk) for the consul. I just want to understand so that NEXT time around I'll actually do something instead of wonder what the format and end is for deliberations.
Yes, two seconders are needed - I tried to prompt people about that:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tamur
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=444
But there's always next time.
It's simply not worth trying to draw a conflict out over a couple years in Carthage. It's a waste of time, resources, and positioning of our lower house generals when you consider the more volatile borders will soon switch immediately to the east and Iberia. Iberia will be ready for war soon, and the Seleucids and Ptolemites won't stop trying to take their land back. If we can flatten Carthage in its entirety now, it'll save everybody one huge headache.
Can I join this again? I'll need someone to update me on what's happened while I've been gone.
I can't quite remember where you left off. But basically, we finished off Macedon and Greece, but in doing so came into contact with Ptolemy and Seleucia. Both declared war on us with a few turns of "first contact". Things were tense for a bit - we lost two Co-Consuls in battle - but the situation in the east has now stabilised with us holding the west end of Asia Minor. The present Consul, Lucjan, has torn the heart out of Carthage. Iberia is the main power we are in contact with who has not attacked us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
Ignoramus,
I can’t remember if you were a Lower member and had the full mods installed or not??
If you were, then it would certainly pay you to upload the latest save file and have a look at the campaign map.
As Econ21 said, I’ve been a very busy boy in defeating Seleucia and Ptolemy locally so you’ll see a large amount or new regions that we control since the last time you joined us. Mostly to the East (Greece and onwards).
Also an important thing to look at would be what armies we have now, where they are and who’s controlling them.
Unfortunately the Senate Library isn’t up to date. So the best method to get up to speed would be to look at the newest save file if you can.
So I'm wondering. Um, where are the Elephants? Invading Carthage I expected to hear of these great beasts trampling our armies. When I played RTW as the Scipii, Carthage had plenty of Elephants, yet I don't think we've encountered one unit of them.
Furthermore, in my Bactria game, I just cannot seem to be able to build them. I have tons of supposedly Elephant producing provinces, yet can't seem to make them. I've come across just 1 unit of Elephant mercs available for hire, and you can't bribe all the elephant containing armies in India.
They all went on a forray after bananas which has led them to Brazil. The unit is now called Irritado Elephants (yet another RTW anachronism, egads), mainly because the natives hide the bananas.
I think the 1.5 patch added it as part of the M2TW's Americas-map marketing plan. I could be wrong though...
Woah, what?
As far as I know, elephants are fairly moot to the ai's strategy.
(Sorry, dutch guy has exceeded his pm storage space, so I'm posting his orders here. And before Augustus has a fit IC in the deliberations, because I know he'll check up on Servius, the proceeds from the demolished provincial barracks in Utica will be spent on that silly hippodrome and the small temple canceled out.)
Utica should not present much difficulty for a man of your caliber. Crush the defenders, enslave the population.
Good luck Flavius, though I doubt you'll need it.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/253-win-utica.zip
I would like to propose motion 11.01: the consul send a representative to the republic to the tin isles with the intent of recruiting an army of NOWONMAI WARLOCKS
I second the motion! *pounds on the deck of the ship*
In the spirit of staying IC, I have to beligerantly oppose both of you, attempt to demean you, assault your intelligence and then go ahead and recruit the warlocks anyway! But use them somewhere completely different than where the motion stated they were to be used in. :laugh4:
Ahh, I love my character. Servius may need some serious :help: in regards to personality disorders, but he's a genius in that sick, cynical mastermind kind of way. Servius Lecter anyone?
I have a bad feeling about this. :sweatdrop: Dutch_guy has not logged onto the Org since 11th October. I'll be surprised if he makes the 48 hour deadline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucjan
I suspect he is a busy student in real life and am a bit reluctant to see him subject to the full Publius Laevinus treatment. I suggest that, if possible, Lucjan cancel the attack and arrange for another general to handle it later. But if people want to autoresolve, you could do that. Henceforth Dutch_guy should be treated as being in the Upper House until he signs back in here.
It's probably a good idea to check before giving a battle to someone who's not been around for a bit. Two days may seem like a life-time to some of us Org addicts, but for other folk it can slip by in no time at all.
Of course, Dutch_guy may pick up the savegame shortly and prove me wrong, but I'm off on my travels soon and just wanted to prepare for the contingency.
Have a good trip. We'll do our best not to break this PBM while you're away. I can't, however, guarantee Alexander's safety, although he may be ok now that Servius keeps insisting on drawing the entire Senate's ire towards himself.
How does everyone feel about a “Deputising” system being put in place?
For example: in this instance Dutch_guy (someone who’s been a regular, a backbone of this forum game for a good long time), is away from contact for over a week and has a battle pending.
Now, what I propose IDEALLY is that if a member knows they will be away for a set period of time and are a member in the Lower House (i.e. a holiday period) they can Deputise another Lower House member to effectively “play them”.
This can be both in-game as their Avatar fighting their battles and as their character in the Senate OR could be just as their Avatar fighting battles and they keep quiet in the Senate floor.
However, if an unexpected inability to play the game (potentially as has occurred with Dutch_guy) should happen then there can be a pool of volunteers to fight the battle for them at short notice.
Most of us don’t want to see the re-occurance of the hearings I conducted on a regular basis, though, it has to be said that was fun in itself I foresee it happening quite often as the game advances on in time OOC.
As we stand the game is libel to take months (perhaps a year even!) to draw to a complete close, and that length of time lends itself to people being away for long periods of time due to – computer problems, connection issues, holidays, illness etc.
Of course, IF someone is on-line and logged in on a Regular Basis but still fails to play a battle within the 48 hours I propose they still get an Auto-resolve result and live with the consequences!
So, to recap and form it so it can be worded as a “Rule”:
1 (a) - Lower House Players are asked that if they are aware of scheduled Holidays or other issues that will prevent them logging into the Forums for a period greater than 48 hours or playing the campaign game for the same period, they are to notify the player base in the OOC Thread. A player can be allocated either by pre-arrangement directly by themselves or from a pool of volunteers, another player to cover their in-game time for this period.
It is up to the absent player to discuss the details of this cover with their Deputy (i.e. Do they also want them to speak for them in the Senate as well?).
1 (b) – Should an “unknown” absence from the forums occur for a period greater than 4 days for a Lower House player, a member of the Deputies will take control of that players Avatar on a temporary basis until their next log-in is registered. These Deputisements will only encompass the Playing through of the absent players avatars own battles and NOT Senate deliberations/discussions.
1 (c) – Supplemental Rules 1 (a) and 1 (b) do NOT apply when:
The “absent” player is continuing to Log-in to and/or post (either IC or OOC) to the .org website. Should a player still be “logged-in” and does not respond to PM’s regarding the allocation of a Battle in-game within the ruled 48 hour window, they will still be libel to an Auto-resolve result AND any IC repercussions of that result.
Does this sound ok, will it be acceptable as a compromise?
_______________________________________________________
No, I like us to be forced to autoresolve now and then. Means we might occasionally lose a battle (or at least take some casualties).
Think of a LH general being away leading to an autoresolve as being our equivalent of Napoleon at Borodino :charge:
On reflection, I agree with Mount - let's stick to the rules and autoresolve if Dutch_guy does not show up. We have enough active players to fight most our battles if we take care over it. However, players and the Consul should be alert to the risks of no shows.
But my earlier point about not being too hard on players overtaken by real life still stands.
Econ, What's your contingency plan whilst your away?
.......actually, why are you still HERE??
Actually Dutch Guy contacted me in pm over night, I just got his message now and told him to check here for his save file. I think he'll be fine.
If everyone's ok as it stands then I'm happy. Afterall, I can't afford "holidays" so it won't effect me *sniff*
I have a holiday coming up in november, but for me, holiday means staying at home and getting as much gaming is as possible. :2thumbsup:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucjan
Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
I was visting Rome* as Part of a school excursion, If I'm right I still have a couple of hours which I do intend to use, to play the battle
I was hoping to let you all know where I was going the day before I left, but at that exact time the Guild was taken of the net for an upgrade (or for repairs). Just for the record, I left thursday a week ago, and the Guild was out wednesday evening.
I do apolosgise for causing such a hassle, and I do thank all those who were maybe even willing to bend the rules for me. I do appreciate it, really. But I do agree, rules are there to keep the show running, so had I not shown up, I'd have respected the decision to keep the show running and auto resolve the battle. However, it's a good thing such an action won't be necessary.
On a side note, have fun on your trip Simon
I'm off to play the battle
* Pictures may be posted in due time
:balloon2:
Okay, here's the post-battle save:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/...-utica-fin.rar
Just so we can move on before the battle report is posted (this weekend, or today) I am pleased to say Utica is ours, the city is enslaved and every Cartheginian soldier is dead. We lost about 180 soldiers, mostly Gaullic mercenaries.
Read more in the battle report.
:balloon2:
I thought this was a pretty cool screenie, wanted to share it. It's from my, oh, I don't know, 500th Battle of Pavia. lol
Keep up the quality CA!
:ahh: :whip: I demand it!
*Marks November 10th as a holy day.*
French Gendarmes assaulting Spanish Musketeers, German Arquebusiers charge to relieve the Spanish.
https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a5...lipboard01.jpg
EDIT - Also, while playing on rtr v1.7 as Illyria, I noticed the Macedonians I was assaulting in Bylasora had a unit of cretan archers with 3 silver chevrons, silver weaponry, and gold armor. Myself, curious as to how much of an enormous amount of money this mercenary group had to be costing them, right clicked them. The unit card said Upkeep: 5. Yes, FIVE. This is on medium camp difficulty, very hard battle difficulty. Can somebody please explain to me this blatant cheatery on the part of the computer, and also, why even on medium, the ai's diplomacy in rtr sucks beyond compare.
Arthurian total war somehow harnassed diplomacy in such a realistic manner that I was astounded, why can't RTR do so?
Total nonsense, that's what it is!
GRRRRR, this is ridiculous already. Macedon had a FULL stack of those 3 silver chevron units, rhodian slingers, cretan archers, mercenary hoplites, I've spent three full stacks trying to dislodge this ridiculous army from Ratiaria.
EDIT - Ok, I had always assumed the ai cheated in all the campaigns I ever played, but on medium difficulty, I just watched it pull 5 heavily diminished units, that did not previously exist in Ratiaria (I just besieged and lost a battle against it and have a spy right next to it, they were NOWHERE anywhere even remotely near it), units not part of Ratiaria's ZoR, out of Ratiaria and move them a few spaces east.
Just wanted to post that my (two)battle reports are underway, and yes, I did convert everything to jpeg format.
:balloon2:
YEA! And have you ever noticed how if the enemy capture a settlement, and you take it back a season later... there are miraculously 3 temples and a level 2 auxilia building?!?!?! They lie cheat and steal I tell you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucjan
Most certainly, but that full stack army of 3 silver chevron uber equipped macedonian slingers and peltasts and hoplites... AAAAGGGGHHHHHH.
I quit the rtr 1.7 version until that kind of garbage is fixed.
I'm sticking with Arthurian Total War, which works, and works realistically.
By the way, first consul report is out.
EDIT - Alright..there are SOOOOO many females being born it's almost impossible to keep track of them all. Can we only report the male births, as they're the only ones that can become playable characters anyway? It's just a pain in the butt tracking down 3 or 4 parents every consular report for characters we can't use.
I'll do an update on the family members section of the Library tonight. Frankly, I think you can ignore all births unless you want to mention them otherwise. I know how much of a pain all that stuff can be and I'm impressed with just how much you continue to report on.
Ah, well thank you.
Nobody knows what that uber army was all about then?
EDIT - I can't wait for M2 to come out. I'm having an aneurism waiting to see if the diplomacy was fixed. I'd like to have allies that actually act like allies, and a ceasefire that means a ceasefire, such things would make me drool on the keyboard!
I just had the following happen. "Alcuyd offers a ceasefire." On their turn, I accept, as soon as I accept, they turn around and besiege a town of mine. This is on Arthurian total war even..which generally has a more decent diplomacy behavior, it still pulls garbage like that on a regular basis. Total War should adopt Knights of Honor's diplomacy system. The diplomacy in that game is incredible.
If you want realistic diplomacy, check out EU II.
TinCow,
Have you updated the Library yet? Just wondered as I can't see any updates to characters there.
Alpha Centauri also has excellent diplomacy (and that game is 8 years old!!). In my Bactria game I had Ptolomy, who had been my ally for many years and who I had repeatedly saved from extinction at the hands of the Seleucids turn round and attack me as soon as I bordered them. Grrrr. The last night, for no reason whatsoever, Macedon (who are the other side of Asia Minor from me) decided to blockade my port at Antioch, thus putting me into another war.
Sadly I don't think this suicidal diplomacy AI has been fixed in MTW2 going by the German review thread and CAs statements to the effect of "increased challenge by the AI attacking you".
Grrr....
This will still be my number one wish for the next tw...better diplomacy.
As for EU II, I do very much like that game, and can't wait for EU III to come out also. I like to play as Holstein and build a baltic empire. I usually aim to control Holstein, Jutland, Mecklemburg, Vor Pommern, Copenhagen, Skane, Gotland, Memel, Finland and Courland. Two trade centers (Mecklemburg and Courland) bring in huge cash stores.
If I'm not playing Holstein I go for Croatia and try for the Balkan empire, or Georgia and try to save the Cacaussus from the hordes.
I usually try to play as the dutch, evolving from Brabant, (with a historic realism mod), but it is really tough in the last 100 years as France gets mega-powerful on the continent. You're not all that popular as a reformed country. Good fun trying to keep Napoleon in check with a protestant-catholic alliance. One of the all-time greats. I've played this game as almost al the 'great' nations.
Alpha Centauri also has excellent diplomacy. When someone surrenders, they stay surrendered and actively help you in your war, ditto in an alliance. I love it. I also love the custom built units, like my anti-grav global insertion probe unit, or the antigrav dropship tank from hell, or whatever you fancy. The only trick that worked against the AI diplomatically was surrouding one of his cities early in the game and demanding the city in exchange for peace. Nasty trick to pull on the AI.
The Kirtha battle report will be up soon.
Just a heads up guys.
:balloon2:
Busy day today, I'll be putting up a consular report tomorrow.
hi all, glad to see things are moving along. It's been what one could describe as a pretty dreadful week between sick children and busy work. My apologies for failing to get the Side report up, and now we will be out of town till next Wednesday. I will get it up, as late is better than not at all I guess, but I did want to ask everyone's patience and am sorry I haven't done better when the time came for great (writing) deeds!
Really short consular report up now. Ugghhh..so busy, don't worry though, game is progressing, Marcellus has the save file now.
TinCow, who you taking as your new avatar?
I will be taking Cnaeus Caprarius and will continue in the Lower House. The crippled chap was rather tempting, but I think it's inappropriate to have him be a Lower House general given his -4 movement rate.
Agreed, although I'd imagine it would make for some nice in-battle stories ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
:balloon2:
So, how is it going Lucjan ?
:balloon2:
Good, unexpected downtime yesterday with some local internet issues, but I'm back up today and I'll be sending battle duties out soon.
Have just completed a battle, report to follow shortly.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/win-252-manius1.zip
There's going to be a big Consular Report will be out on friday because I'll have a nice chunk of free time to put out a good one. :2thumbsup:
Consular Report up!
Savegame picked up. I have no time to do it tonight, but it will be completed tomorrow ASAP.
hi all,
Due to some rather odd circumstances at work, I have to do a clean re-install of Windows on the computer I do everything on (including play RTW). Except I have to keep the drives clean for storage/manipulation space. So, no RTW (or any other game for that matter). I am out of commission as far as battle go for about two weeks.
I will keep up with discussion & reports in that time, and will post up again when I'm back in action.
Tamur
O.o
Ok...hope everything works out.
Firstly, I have to apologise. I've been very unwell over the last 4-5 days so I've not posted my battle report.
Not sure when I will get a chance as I've got a backlog of other stuff to get through as well.
So, again sorry but I have been attempting to ensure I am ready for a battle if needs be.
Reporting back for duty in the Lower House. How's the Africa campaign going? Will Carthage be conquered before the next Consul takes office?
Conquered in what sense of the word? lol
New consular report should be going up tomorrow pending nothing unexpected occurs.
As for Afrika, the only thing it will have left by the next consulship will be its worthless desert provinces. They can be easily eradicated by the next consul. Taking those is just a matter of time we don't have at the moment.
Also, Braden, hope you're feeling better soon.
Well, good to have you back Simon. The Senate Debates could use another strong voice, even though Swordsmaster and Lucjan are giving it their all at the moment ~;)
:balloon2:
With participation dropping and the imminent arrival of M2TW on all of our hard drives, I'm starting to think we should try to aim at wrapping this campaign up. I'd far prefer to see it come to a solid conclusion than simply vanish due to fatigue.
I was also starting to think about this. We have a choice - stop the campaign mid-stream or go for a couple of blitzing Consulships to complete it properly but quickly. The goals we set for the PBM imply we need to take down Seleucia, Egypt and Iberia. That seems (perhaps optimisitically) doable in two or three Consulships - the question is whether we have the Consuls and the generals willing to see it through.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
On the Consuls, given all the accusations made against him, Numerius would certainly be willing to go all out against the Seleucids and Egyptians for real. GeneralHankerchief and/or Braden have also expressed an interest in being future Consuls. It would be good if people could post here about whether they want to stand for Consul the coming election or next. From past experience, it seems a reign can take several months so it is a big commitment although I would try to speed it up.
On the generals, I suspect we still have enough Lower House members willing to fight the odd battle on demand. But if people want to go to the Upper House with the release of M2TW etc, they should speak out freely and we can see if the PBM is still viable.
Honestly with the release of M2 this is going to be secondary on my list of immediate interests, especially if somebody would be willing to start an M2 pbem with me.
Can you finish your reign before M2TW comes out? (You're in the US, so that would be 14th or something). The last savegame uploaded seems to put us 4 turns away from the end of your reign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucjan
I have Friday, Saturday and Sunday off from work and school so provided I don't get inundated with player battles within the next four turns, yes.
Too many player battles that need to be gone through this turn for me to be able to put out the consular report yet, I had been hoping against this, but...
Tiberius has the latest save file now.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/251-sum-Tib.zip
Good luck with it! :2thumbsup:
I understand. I'm not sure where Servius is on the map (I gather he waltzed off to Rome at some point), but you know what they say - if you want something doing right, do it yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucjan
Latest save file, once again, just in case. http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/251-sum-Tib.zip
Anyway, Servius has conquered Palma, and will, (most likely) be retiring to the upper house at his new estate there once his consulship is over.