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But we do know, thanks to Caliban at TWC, that the cannon/ballista tower bug will be fixed in the official 1.2.
I never expected them to fix all the bugs on the bug list for the unofficial 1.2 patch, that would take months, all i expected was them to fix the last of the passive ai, sort out the installer, and then release the patch.
Hopefully they fixed the defensive attacker AI with reinforcements. Thats my main gripe at the moment. And the campaign map lag of course.
I'm happy that they're not trying to fix everything on the buglist, tbh.
The last thing we need is a tricke effect, delaying the official patch even more...
Ok I didn't really read all the posts here. I read about half and I skipped through haphazardly until I got to the end. Kind of like CA writes code? Oooh, wouldn't want to be mistaken for a troll now.
I hope the patch is as good as some have said. It will be nice to be able to play the game the way it was intended.
That said, I'm not happy with spending my money on a game and then waiting 6+ months to start getting full value for my money.
I realize there are around a million and a half lines of code, and bugs beget more bugs and whatnot. I realize that CA has a bottom line to make and releasing a game that isn't truly finished is the norm for game developers these days.
I am not going to blast them for what is the status quo. We all know this is what developers do and despite having access to the Internet and the countless forums, blogs, fansites, and official sites all giving us the scoop on games we are interested in and their problems, we still go out and buy the game bugs and all. If we all go out on the release day and buy them who can blame the developer if they sold us an incomplete product?
That said, I will never buy another game on release day. It took me a few times to learn my lesson. Now I'm going to wait until a game gets a couple of patches. I'm going to listen to the forums when people say a game is unplayable. And most importantly I'm going to save my money. In fact if I wait long enough I might even be able to get the game on sale. So not only will I get a game that works, but I will pay less for it than the poor schmucks that had to have it on the release date.
If enough people do this then what will happen? For starters games may not reach #1 in sales. The profitability of releasing incomplete games will decrease and badly needed cash flows will come in a trickle rather than a flood.
I realize if enough people do what I suggest it might hurt game developers, but given the choice of sticking it to them or letting them stick it to me I choose to stick it to them. Do they deserve better? They don't think we deserve better.
Unfortunately for you, that idea is extremely unlikely to work.
A miniscule percentage of gamers read forums, and only a small proportion of those who do will boycot the game. Such actions simply won't make a big enough difference to change anything.
OK, this is starting to annoy me now. I'd really like to see some hard facts to back this up, about people not reading these forums. No "logic", hard facts and stats please.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapi
That's exactly the same false logic people use to justify the fact that they do not vote. "What difference can I possibly make?" It's bull. Elections are the sum total of each seemingly insignificant vote, just as a game's success is the sum total of each seemingly insignificant consumer. You just do not realize how much power we have, because no one has ever tried to exercise that power. Between us, the power of the Internet, and word of mouth, it's practically guaranteed that we could reach the majority of gamers out there for this (or any other) reason. For instance how many gamers do you know that are familiar with the "All Your Base" phenomenon? It's hard to find any that aren't, which is my point: the communication tools are in place and working. The biggest roadblock is not communication per se, it is rather getting the key elements (like forum mods and webmasters) to support the issue so they can actually get the communication engine working. A very small handful of the right people, if convinced to support it, could easily get (and keep) a large portion of gamers informed and involved, and empower the entire community as a result. At the heart of everything, I guess the biggest point is that we need infrastructure if we want power.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapi
I'm sorry, but that just doesn't cut it.
It's a simple fact that the vast majority of gamers do not visit online forums.
If you're looking for proof, consider the fact that only 847 members have visited these forums in the past 24 hours.
Take a very conservative estimate of that as 10% of the total number of people visiting these forums, and you still only have an audience of under ten thousand people.
Say, multiply that by two or three to take into account the other TW sites, and you're still looking at a tiny percentage of the hundreds of thousands of people who have brought the game.
All you need to do is have a look around your friends, and you'll see what I mean. Sure, around half of them play games semi-seriously. But of that half, only a handful would even consider visiting a forum for that game.
You can talk all you like about affirmative action and the tricke effect and so on and so forth, but you'll never get enough people to make a difference.
I can even use your example of the 'all your base' phenomenon as proof for my case: put simply, if I asked any of the rl gamers I knew, you'd be lucky to even get 10% who've heard of it, despite 'widespread' coverage.
You're welcome to try your strategy - no one can stop you from doing that - but it might be worth while taking a nice dose of common sense as you do so.
No it isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapi
What exactly is this "conservative estimate" based on, then? Because you can't multiply integers and hot air like that, it's simply not mathematically correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapi
I have a bunch of gamer friends, too, and with the exception of the one guy-with-no-internet-access, they ALL visit forums to keep up with the games they are playing. All of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapi
My unsourced, empirical datapoint is bigger than your unsourced, empirical datapoint. So there.
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Originally Posted by sapi
So, how old are you, then? Time for an update, perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Albert Einstein
I don't think that's the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slicendice
When I program myself, it usually takes some times before I get rid of all the compiler errors, then I have to see whether the function works the way I want it, which is usually done with test data, once that works, all is fine, but what if the "test data" somehow didn't cover all possible cases? Well, that's a bug... And I'm talking about "projects" with less than 100 lines, even the professors etc. at our university know that programming without bugs is almost impossible. Let me give you a common metaphor to underline that:
http://www.rootburn.com/pics/development_process.jpg
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Have you got any evidence to support that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Temujin
I can tell you that general statistics (sales numbers vs forum members) are on my side, so the onus of proof is on you
Based on a known fact (the number of users who visited the forum in the past 24 hours)Quote:
What exactly is this "conservative estimate" based on, then? Because you can't multiply integers and hot air like that, it's simply not mathematically correct.
Known data (members) adjusted to account for guests (which were 90% of currently online users when i posted)
And rounded up
And that, I suspect, is because we come from different countries and different age groups.Quote:
I have a bunch of gamer friends, too, and with the exception of the one guy-with-no-internet-access, they ALL visit forums to keep up with the games they are playing. All of them.
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My unsourced, empirical datapoint is bigger than your unsourced, empirical datapoint. So there.
Nice quote, btw :beam:Quote:
So, how old are you, then? Time for an update, perhaps?
Actually he's right...majority of the customers dont come to the forums...
Just to use myself as an unrepresentative example:
I have only just started coming to the forum AFTER buying M2TW. So it was too late to boycott, but just in time to get all disillusioned as I read all the bugs and complaints.
RTW: I bought played and thought was fanstastic. i didn't come to forums and so had no idea how broken it was. I noticed a few things myself and jsut shrugged them off as glitches without paying much attention.
So although I now forum in neither case would a campaign have stopped my buying.
To be honest if such a campaign was started with the expansion i would probably ignore it anyway. I think some people are being a little unrealistic about what they expect from their games. IMHO CA & SEGA released a great game. They are trying to now beat the bugs that people have raised, without any new sales from it - purely out of support, NOT making a penny. They are working on an expansion, from which they will make money, that will incorporate feedback and requests from fans. It seems more than fair to me.
I work for a TV broadcast company and believe me when I say NOT ONE of the products we have ever had is bug free. And these are broadcast critical costing millions of pounds being sold to some of the most powerful corporations in the world not 30 bucks a pop to some know-nothing teenager
(not intended as insult but as comparison!)
P.s. Bizarrely enough I think I probably enjoyed RTW more (althoug m2tw is better). Ignorance is bliss.
Because I didn't know what I was missing and couldn't pick up hints and tips, I just enjoyed what it did do. And also enjoyed making noob mistakes and finding tactical answers myself. I can't undo my knowledge, so will probably forum from now on but in many ways regret discovering it....
I'd also point out that if anyone had bothered to follow the thread linked to in the very first post the CA PR guy that was posting admitted on the same day the patch was released that CA & SEGA are asking "serious internal questions" about why the game was allowed to be released so early when it was clearly unfinished.
They know and agree that it was released in too buggy a state and far too early, and "serious questions" probably means whoever was responsible will end up with the sack for sure.
But of course your all soooo busy flaming CA you couldn't be bothered to keep an eye on the other thread. AND, THEN you have the cheek to complain CA pays you no attention when you do exactly the same to CA :inquisitive: ???
Only time will tell whether that is simply a PR stunt, unfortunately.Quote:
I'd also point out that if anyone had bothered to follow the thread linked to in the very first post the CA PR guy that was posting admitted on the same day the patch was released that CA & SEGA are asking "serious internal questions" about why the game was allowed to be released so early when it was clearly unfinished.
They know and agree that it was released in too buggy a state and far too early, and "serious questions" probably means whoever was responsible will end up with the sack for sure.
I can't see anyone getting the sack based on choosing what was likely to have been the most profitible option, and releasing at Christmas.
What I can never understand are the 'open letters to the developers' and the fact that people seem to think they have a 'right' for the developers to listen to their every whim, complaint, moan, 'game breaking' bugs and the fact that a pike is 2ft longer than it historically was on 4th March 1546 in a small hamlet outside Flensburg.
Most odd.
@Husar
Nice picture! :laugh4:
Frist off I don't need half of all consumers to boycott a game. Even a 1 to 5 percent drop in sales is enough to do damage and prevent a game from going #1 or becoming game of the year.
Yes the traffic on the forums may not be that high (today), but everyone who participates in a boycott or delay in purchase ultimately talks to someone else, and believe me a person is more likely to convince his friends to boycott than a forum is to convince a stranger. Boycott wasn't my term, however, delaying a purchase should become more of good "common sense" rather than a movement. It should be a personal choice of gamers who accept the reality of the business and have decided to save themselves the frustration and disappointment of buying half completed games at full price only to wait 6 months to play what they paid for.
Whether my plan works or not ultimately is moot. I'm making a personal choice and I'm sharing that choice with others in the hope they might also consider the same action. I realize without the support of the forums as well my idea probably won't get very far. But in the end my goal has been achieved. I have been changed and I will be better for it.
BTW I keep seeing a common theme about how nice CA is for making a patch and listening to the community even though they won't make any money on the patch blah, blah, blah. . .
Frankly I think it was very nice of the community to BETA! test their game for them, and to pay full price for that BETA!. I consider the patch and any patches to come to be the actual game and the money I paid to get a copy of the BETA! was nothing more than a pre-purchase. They owe me the patch because I paid for it 6 months ago.
Noneless, I think we all know that if CA/Sega didn't patch there would be a lot of customers who wanted their money back. I can tell you I wanted my money back 6 months ago.
I won't have this problem next time.
Uhm, No. You were the one making claims and backing them up with pseudo-stats and handwaving (what my stats-prof at uni called "lying with numbers"), so the onus is on YOU to actually back that up with real data and math that doesn't require magic to work. Asking me to prove a negative isn't going to make your claim ring true to anyone with a sense of logic in their heads.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapi
Even accepting these numbers (which I can't verify), that's still a far cry from proving that "It's a simple fact that the vast majority of gamers do not visit online forums". Here's some questions to help you on your way to make that claim more than an unfounded assertion:Quote:
Based on a known fact (the number of users who visited the forum in the past 24 hours)
Known data (members) adjusted to account for guests (which were 90% of currently online users when i posted)
And rounded up
1) What's the size of the general population of gamers?
2) What percentage of the online forum attendance goes to totalwar.org?
3) Was yesterdays attendance stats representative of the activity of this forum?
4) Is this forum representative of the general population of forums in terms of attendance vs. memberships and daily activity?
5) Is the membership and unregistered attendance of this forum representative of the general population of gamers?
There are more, but this is just a handful to get you started. Either prove your claim or acknowledge that you used pseudo-stats with no backing to reinforce your point.
Having an opinion is fine, but trying to raise it to fact with no basis is a sort of bullying I particularly dislike.
manufacturer is responsible for their product and to please its customers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Butcher
still cant figure out how it is a fact that pikes are two feet longer than they were historically. how did you measure them? just curious.
First off, #338 is a great post, Slice. It's true that it isn't necessary to completely crush a game economically in order to have accomplished something meaningful, as a group or as an individual. I particularly like how you realize that you yourself benefit tremendously from employing this strategy, regardless of the impact it may or may not have on the industry.
Next: to all the comments about the forums and forum attendance. They are largely irrelevant. I cited the Internet as a primary means of information, and it is not necessary to restrict that to simple game forums like this one. The question to ask is how many gamers, even occasionally, visit gaming-related web sites? Theoretically the infrastructure I'm talking about could include review sites, forums, fan sites (think wallpapers, skinning, etc), video sites (like YouTube), and yes even the dreaded crack sites perhaps. In short, there are quite a large number of places where I'm sure a substantial number of gamers visit. The point is not what this site alone could accomplish (which still might not be insignificant) but rather what a majority of gaming-related sites could do. I also point out here that Slice's notion of this seems a much better way to go about it than simple boycotting: actually educating gamers and turning them into better, smarter consumers. If this can be accomplished in some measure, then the boycott-like trends will naturally surface, without any further orchestration.
Actually, it's pretty deluded to think that CA & SEGA make nothing from the support work they do on this game. The support work CA does on this game is in turn selling copies of their next release. You can clearly see this because the number one result of them cutting off support for the game after release, aside from endless complaining in the community, would be decreased sales of their next release. So in reality they make plenty of money from the post-release work they do on this game, and in fact it may have the most influence on how their next title sells of anything that affects that title's sales. So, I think we can safely do away with this "look how nice CA is to patch the game for us" attitude, as clearly they have very selfish economic reasons to do so. I'm not saying that's wrong or bad: simply that it is fact. They patch precisely because it DOES make them money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moah
not to veer off the discussion but does anyone know if the armor stats will be fixed in the patch?
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Originally Posted by Slicendice
Yeh I rarley buy games on release now, having said that I think if you do 'listen to the forums' then your going to be playing very few games, because whatever the game youll find a heap of 'Buggy unplayable beta' threads of guys crying cause the game wasnt made the way 'they wanted'
That said, Im going to be thinking long and hard about buying the Kingdoms Add on , in fact it may be the first TW title i dont buy, and should the developers continue on the who needs gameplay - look at all the fruit line of development - M2 will prob be the last TW for this black duck - I mean really when the battles are laughable and teadously frustrating because the AI cant find its own shoelaces and most the units dont work as intended??? Then the strategy could be defeated by 'the angry german kid' - this isnt the game it used to be - for me anyway
and the late game is so boring/frustrating/sameness its like the into movie - once youve played it once, its unlikely youll suffer it a second time
maybe with the patch I will be able to spark my interest enough to get past the frustration - I guess what Im saying is... powerup Generals - has confirmed my fears
I understand that this is intended as sarcasm and exaggerated for rhetorical purposes, but I think you're taking it a bit too far. I'm aware that people on this forum (me included) tend to bicker endlessly about some inconsequential detail, but remember that M2TW is a game, not just a toy or a simulation, and as any other game doesn't really work without a set of rules that are fair to all players, known & understood by all and equally enforced on all, either by mechanics or by arbitrage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Butcher
For example, one of the (unwritten) rules in M2TW - and most other videogames too - is that if the graphical depiction of an item resembles something in the real world, then it's behaviour is expected to be similar to its real counterpart. Now, I see the soldiers in M2TW carrying things that look a lot like shields. I expect those things to act as a kind of protection. Instead, they act like slabs of kryptonite, crippling my "little supermen". Thus, a rule is broken or misrepresented. No rules, no game.
If anything, the discussion in these forums helps making a better product by raising customer awareness and helping find the problems in the finer details of the game. It's true, a lot of the talk here consists of moaning and complaining, but, ye know, nobody's forcing you to read it if it bothers you. If you do though, you might emerge somewhat wiser.
An unpleasant side effect is the "losing of innocence", which does indeed reduce the enjoyment, as stated previously in this thread. For my part, I'd rather take the information, since knowing things is enjoyable in itself ; "ignorance is bliss" is like saying "I wish I was dumber so I don't realize when people lie to me or try to rip me off, so I don't stress about it".
I see dealing with the bugs in a differant way. Take the Armoured Swordsmen from England. With the shield bug I quit deploying 'em at all. Played some fun games. Maybe harder since I relied on levy spearmen lots more. Got the unofficial 1.2 Got it to work. Now almost having a whole new game using the Armoured Swordsmen. Its all good.
I agree - totally better game with the shield bug fixed and the cavalry able to actually kill the enemy during the rout... That with the fact that you can actually create an alliance and sustain it with some TLC let you employ strategy...
Playing venice used to suck because you would not be able to do anything because your alliances meant nothing... i was surrounded on all sides and constantly attacked... In 1.2 i was able to hold an alliance with milan for many rounds (they did attack me once - i dessimated a full stack of theres and then we made up and allied again - so far it has held up 30 turns...
Alot of people beat on this game but i like it better than rome NOW... the assassins guild is the greatest thing ever... I dont like expanding the empire quickly. My assassins allow me to grow my technology and conduct covert ops on my enemies...
with regard to the cannon/ballista tower bug... Are my ballista towers causing cannon damage on the enemy? Not sure if i want to upgrade when gunpowder hits...
O, if only the pikes had been 2 ft longer in Flensburg that day!Quote:
Originally Posted by Butcher
Nah you'd know if your ballista towers were firing cannon balls. It isn't just in the damage they do. It doesn't appear to happen all the time though so you may have got lucky. I remember when I first mentioned this bug ages ago few people believed me because they had apparently not experienced it.Quote:
Originally Posted by nookie
My last battle was definitely shooting cannon from my towers becuase it was a huge fireball being shot at night... Yet the last campaign i know i had my cannon towers going...
Some men are longer than others.Quote:
Originally Posted by dismal
[/Braveheart]
im still somewhat confused what he based his information on. was it by size ratio? if so one must remember that average height for a man up until modern times usually hovered around five and a half feet.
based on my judgement i would think they are between 16 to 18 feet in length. i saw a 21 foot long pike with the original furniture on it at the frazier armory museum in louisville kentucky. but i would say 16 to 18 feet was usually the norm for most of the history of long spears such as pikes or sarissas.
To bring this back on topic (the original topic), anyone hear anything about the official patch recently? :book:
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Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
The official patch has gone back into testing, check the News and Announcements section at www.totalwarforums.com for the latest news.
Weird... If the leaked 1.2 was meant to be distributed from the mirror it got "hijacked" from then why does my game say 1.02? Smells free beta test to me.
It didn't get 'hijacked'; they had to delay the patch at the last minute after critical problems were found in it
Well thats what 1.2 is, 1.02, like 1.1 is 1.01. Thats the game version. And as Caliban/SenseiTW/Alex SEGA have said countless times, it was not released on purpose.
It would be nice now to have a separate sticky thread with no posting allowed to give us updates about the patch releases. I Came to this thread just to see if there is any recent news about it and had to wade through 12 pages of moans gripes and retaliation posts back and forth, when all I wanted to know was - is it out yet... or what stage they were up to - jumping to the last page (as I figure thats the response I'll get) sometimes you miss important posts. I dont use any other TW forum cept this one cos its been the best for me since shogun. So please can we just have one thread with no non-admin posting?
A separate sticky?
What a strange idea!
Why, there's been one at the top of this forum for, oh, 10 minutes now ~;)
Sapi,
you missed a post by Caliban at .com.....He said:
Administrator/Administrator
Posts: 82
04/30/07 20:00
CA Staff
"The Patch has embarked on its epic journey from Australia to England. From my understanding it's now being tested by SEGA UK. No amount of whinging or whining is going to make it come any faster. It's in the pipeline now so all we can do is wait. And besides, Jonny Blademan said he's going to cook you all ribs!
*creeps away slowly*"
Im very sad...none of the guys there answered me if it involved flying kangaroos!!! sigh...
I would again like to emphasize that advocating piracy is against Org rules. Please do not do it.
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Originally Posted by sapi
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I would again like to emphasize that advocating piracy is against Org rules. Please do not do it.
https://i155.photobucket.com/albums/...ate5B35D_1.jpg
wrong type of piracy mad cat mech ~:)
Jesus I always thought you ppl hated buccaneers... now I am enlightened:
http://www.uspto.gov/go/kids/kidantipiracy.htm
Sadly Im from a country (Greece) that piracy runs rampant...
The whole leftist hatred towards capitalism and corporations in general leaves no room for remorse... :embarassed:
@Generals_Bodyguard, TinCow - thanks for pointing that out and fixing it respectively :bow:
@all
Now, lets not get too carried away with the piracy analogies :grin2:
I would like to remind everyone, as TinCow did, that advocating piracy is against the Org rules, not to mention the law, in most countries at least, and will not be tolerated here.
This isn't an issue to most, of course, but it's a good thing to remember in general.
Yes its against org rules, which is all fair enough, but despite the RIAA/MPAA/etc's best efforts, its not illegal to advocate piracy in most countries. Yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapi
SSSSHHHHH!!!!! we dont want any conspiracy theories dude, the absolute maximum benefit of the doubt must be given to CA at all times, shame on you :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaius Terentius Varro
Encouraging someone to commit a crime is itself a crime in the United States. That would be applicable to software/media piracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveybaby
Now, let's get back on-topic, shall we?
Well, if it's being tested in the UK now, it can't be too much longer (though I thought that last time, and they pulled it!). I'm hoping for this Friday!
Probably next Wednesday. Just a random guess of course
Given the embarrassment over the last go-round, I have to believe SEGA will be taking their time on this QA testing. I'd guess next week Friday at the earliest.
if piracy is an international crime than what court would you stand before?
the hague?
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Originally Posted by mad cat mech
Whichever country catches you.
Everything in the world can be improved by the addition of Monkeys, Ninjas and/or Pirates.
(Just ask Sid Meier)
how embarrassing... The initial patch was supposed to be relased mid march... LONG LIVE THE UNOFFICIAL PATCH...
I suppose you're referring to conspiracy law? If so, it allows an awful lot of gray area. It requires an agreement to commit the crime between the two parties, and also implies some sort of planning behind the crime. Simply mentioning the possibility that someone could commit a crime and allowing them to act on that as they see fit, for instance, does not fall inside the bounds of conspiracy. There is a world of difference between pointing out the possibility of committing a crime, and actually suggesting that it be done, most especially under the law. The former cannot really be considered "advocating piracy" either, as hypothetical speech does not actually advocate anything, it simply explores possibilities. However, I'm not in much of a mood for treading so near the bounds of forum policy myself: just wanted to point out that forum policy, like the law, leaves plenty of room for discussion, provided it is done carefully. For the moment though, I'll leave it to braver or more motivated souls to cheat that line.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
No, I'm referring to solicitation. (And before any Brits reply, it means something different on this side of the Pond.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Foz
Piracy isnt a crime in EU...Its a Copyright infrigment which is dealt in civil courts...If a company wants to pursue a pirate they have to sue him...Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
There is a fine balance between the rights of the companies and the private rights of teh individual...
Similar enough. This is from the site you linked:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
So, my previous points largely apply. Hypothetical speech is still perfectly acceptable, as one must demonstrate a desire for the other person to commit the crime or at least attempt to do so in order to be guilty of solicitation. So if we were so inclined, we could lawfully discuss how to commit piracy, the merits of doing so, the drawbacks or risks of it, or any other facet of piracy, provided we don't actually tell anyone to do it, or try to influence them to do it. It's really a facet of the law you see in practice in many ways, and is a distinction that seems specifically motivated by the idea of free speech. Horrible as it certainly sounds, we could also discuss how to build atomic devices, how to deliver them to cities, how to hold the world at ransom w/ nuclear weapons... and we'd be fine doing so as long as no one expressed intent to actually carry out the plan, nor try to have anyone else carry out the plan on their (our) behalf. Entertaining and discussing criminal ideas is not criminal in and of itself - it always requires a desire or willingness (or of course an actual attempt) to act upon those criminal intentions in order to become criminal.Quote:
Elements of the crime. Since solicitation, like the other inchoate crimes of attempt and conspiracy, is a specific-intent crime, every state solicitation statute requires that the solicitor's menial state be either an intent to cause the solicitant to commit or attempt to commit the object crime, or be sufficient to establish the solicitant's complicity in its commission or attempted commission.
If you would like to have a legal discussion on these matters, start a thread in the Frontroom, Backroom, or any place where it's actually on-topic. I will be happy to lend my knowledge to whoever is curious, but this isn't the place for it.
While I'm happy to see a spirit of discussion flourishing here, this isn't the place for legal debates.
If you want to discuss the laws on piracy - and by all means you're free to do so - please make your way to the backroom.
Here at the Org, what matters is not the technicalities of the legal system but the simple fact that we are accountable for anything posted on this forum, and that discussions on piracy can quickly spiral out of control and lead to posted links.
We don't want that, so we do all we can to stop it from happening :yes:
Despite the fact that many bugs (some were so obvious its amazing they missed them) got past someone's Q&A(not sure wether to blame CA or Sega so I'll blame both) and that the patch is long long overdue IMHO. I sure hope they go over it with a fine tooth comb and get it right this time. ::pirate2::
Your assuming they missed them, when its more than likely they knew about 99% of the bugs.Quote:
Despite the fact that many bugs (some were so obvious its amazing they missed them) got past someone's Q&A(not sure wether to blame CA or Sega so I'll blame both)
But that makes it worse, its like they didn't give a dam and just thew us a bone to keep us occupied but really we are getting screwed over because we 'all' paid for the game and deserve our value for money. Not some half baked attempt at a game the second time around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lusted
Slow and steady wins the race but not if it stops after sprinting like a fox
Well as far as the publisher(SEGAs) concerned all they want is a game in a box for christmas to sell as many copies as possible, and then patch it later.Quote:
But that makes it worse, its like they didn't give a dam and just thew us a bone to keep us occupied but really we are getting screwed over because we 'all' paid for the game and deserve our value for money. Not some half baked attempt at a game the second time around.
As long as it doesn't CTD, the game doesn't need any patching. MTW2 v1.0 is fine for most people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lusted
Time to update the front post....as I type I am downloading Official Patch 1.2!
I may need to take this afternoon off---I feel something coming on. :laugh4:
Anybody care to post a linky for those of us that are google challenged?
Patch released.
Please refer discussion to this thread.