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Personally, I think Factionheir should just use the consol to remove those witch traits. Gerhard is still young and it would be a shame to waste the avatar. Maybe wait out the 4 turns or whatever it was in the abbey, but after that he's served his time and should be rehabilitated!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuperman
He will be rid of all the witch traits except Hypochondriac eventually, but I think using console to remove all bad traits is maybe a bit over the top considering we like to RP our characters.
That said, there is still hope for him if we capture a Byzantine settlement with Public Baths or a Muslim settlement with a Bimaristan to cure him of that too.
Besides, having low HP to begin with makes it easier to get Brave and BattleScarred :)
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On another note, I'll be trying to either speed up or slow down the game this week. I got a major thesis due next Wednesday and still have much work to do.
I agree with FH, the console shouldn't be used unless the traits were acquired due to a bug. Anything that is acquired naturally, good or bad, should be dealt with. Remember, I had to turn Max into a religious fanatic simply to justify the addition of a retinue member. That was not the path I had wanted to take him on. If it hadn't been for that one retinue addition, Max would have been Heinrich's right hand man the whole game.
Oops, looks like gibsonsg's avatar bought the farm in the battle for Durrazo. He will have to be assigned another Avatar now.
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econ: Its time for you to battle with Bayan the Wrathful who leads a large Mongol army to attack you. Odds are 3:2 in your favor.
Has Kag finished the Durazzo battle!!??
I also got him killed in a second fight. He was shot in the back of the head with a crossbow bolt :dizzy2:
AG, looks like kag finishes his battle and now it is econ's turn.
FH, so the mongols initiate the battle? cool... :D
AG: In my first try at that battle I didn't lose anyone by using the tactics I sent you. When I tried it again, I think Jonas bit it against the initial MK charge as he ended up walking into the mass of them for some odd reason or another instead of letting his GB fight.
TC: If its legal, can you add Knight to the titles of Ehrhart in the Mausoleum?
Ok so Kag is done and yes the mongols have pulled the pin and gone straight for the big enchilada of the HRE...
...the pipe hitt'in Henri they call him, and boy is this one gonna be a hum dinger!!
Now econ...will you replay this if you lose? :)
FH, so what is going on with the 2nd Crusade by Leopold?
I believe Elberhard is not yet a crusader, maybe have him join up as a crusader too and send him off with reinforcement to Leopold?
What happens with the crusade is decided after the outcome of econ's battle.
I think I intend to have them assault the force besieging Damascus in a night attack however. I could send them Elberhard with a few mailed knights as reinforcement, but he wouldn't be able to join the crusade as there are not enough units left in Aleppo to do so unless I were to split off troops from Leopold's army which I don't intend to do (not good roleplaying to split the troops just to create a new crusading army of one man)
If they win the battle, I'll be using the two nearby spies to open the gates so they can take Damascus this year still.
Of course not, but don't get suspicious if you don't hear from me until tomorrow night. I've brought a lot of work home tonight and think this battle is not one to be rushed. Let's call it a period of mourning for Erhart von Mahren.Quote:
Originally Posted by AussieGiant
Reminder: Please do not post openly battle tactics/exact results of this battle until after its fought. PMing each other is fine.
Ok Econ. It seems we will not have to worry about them being passive hey!Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
With all that said good luck with the Mongol's.
I'm looking forward to Kag's write up so I can post in the diet with all the details at my disposal.
I must say I fought that battle 3 times and the last two with some very good advise from FH and I always lost an avatar. Those mailed knights are great.
Maybe we should ban them from our own armies as a handicap?
FH, about Elberhard, I am not concerned about the reinforcement. More about the avatar being the only one in the holy land not being a ex-crusader. Weird ICly, but not unheard of I think. We still cannot get the stupid pope to agree on an alliance?
As in my C&G report, the pope even refused 10k florins and maps for alliance
Done. Added his other titles too.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
Probably because the Byzantines, we have help time twice in battles? When they accepted your request, you just help them defeated the Hungarian siege, right? Does it work like that?
I think you mean we are offering access to the pope and not asking of access to their land right?
We have to be allied before we can discuss access with the pope (I did edit my post)
Alliance and mil access both consider your global reputation. Ours is Dubious at the moment, which is quite bad, so alliances and access are difficult and expensive to get.
Good work TC.
If we take Damascus and get perfect relations, I wonder if the Pope would accept an alliance and later military access? For in character reasons, we really need that military access for our self-appointed role as defenders of Jerusalem - although I guess we could role-play the Pope being difficult (I seem to recall several "neutrals" in the World Wars being difficult with the allies when faced with a German threat).
Our relations were on outstanding with the pope for the past few turns and he never accepted, even a generous offer. If we had more than 20k florins at the start of a turn, I wouldn't mind upping above 10k and tribute, but our massive military in outremer that I trained in anticipation of the mongol invasion is costing loads in addition to modernizing exisiting forces to imperial knights. I guess after the end of the crusade, sacking damascus and killing the mongols, we should have a lot of florins to spare. Likely in a turn or two if all goes well.
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We'll be able to train Forlorn Hope in two turns or so. Its time to start considering whether to up it to 2hp or not and whether to do any other changes (like enabling DGK and general rebalancing) I suppose.
The battle report is up.:shame:
Too bad gibsonsg! Just as the House of Austria got a merry band, one is taken from us. Seems like someone didn't want you to leave your merchant days behind.
That's one of the reasons though why I don't like to fight with multiple Bodyguards in one army. When you're forced to use them as cavalry it gets hard to keep track of the generals.
This ties in directly with the situation around Damascus. I'm gonna post my thoughts IC in the Crusader Council right away. Wouldn't want to waste young avatars. :beam:
Btw, I read the battle report. It doesn't seems to indicate the death of the avatar in the screen shot. Kag, was there an indication of death of a general during battle? I always thought if a general died his BG will be grey out or is that just for the commanding general? Just a game mechanics question as I do not have the game, and RTW has been uninstalled.
Greying out occurs in RTW but not M2TW. There is an indication, as in either the "A Noble Death" message or a cutscene, depending on who is affected and some randomness in the game.
Thanks.
Looks like Elberhard could get his crusader title with the rest of the avatars splitting from Leopold's army. Did the Mongols captured any other cities or did they make a beeline for Damascus?
Just a comment to the OOC part of your post FH.
I always thought that Army composition doesn't apply to Crusader Armies. Could be wrong though. If I am, I might still act against it. The Diet can impeach me for it if the wish. :clown:
The latter. They are attacking Damascus and heading for Jerusalem
Ituralde: Crusading armies are only exempt on the limit of GBs but not knights and other things. The first crusade was special as we had an edict removing the limits. I don't know if it would really be counting as acting against it, as there isn't an IC rule to prevent other compositions - its an OOC rule.
Ah well, looks like we'll have to see then.
Don't plan on making a huge uberstack of cavalry anyway.
Firstly Kag,
Amazing write up. That was certainly intense to say the least.
Second, I don't think we should do any modification to any files or anything at this stage. Army composition must be maintain in my view in order to make this Mongol invasion "real".
We've lost and avatar, and I think it's for the best that there is some type of realistic setting for our role playing. There are more than enough avatar's in reserve so people are not left out (something I'm keenly aware of), but uber game playing is something I strongly advise against as there is no "story".
There plenty of battling to come and it's only right that we should feel the pain and lose of fighting for out land.
So...god, I'm knighted and at a bitter cost IC.
Don't think an über-stack of cav would beat Mongols.
From SP experience, you need missile cav or long range missiles and a solid infantry line. Best if you have a catapult or trebuchet with you too.
The way to kill mongols is to have them attack you on the field by forcing their hand using missiles. Charging them only gets your troops exhausted and shot down.
I think the most fun experience I had with Mongols was when I was playing the Moors. Main stack had a good general, 10 peasant crossbows (long range), 4 dmt christian guards, 2 gran jinetes, 2 desert cav, 1 christian guard. Reinforcements were a general with 6 akinjis, 4 peasant crossbows, 2 christian guard and loads of arab cavalry and alan mercs. As attacker I stood on a hill and shot them to pieces while they didn't dare charging my army. Each time a crossbow was depleted i'd withdraw it to get my reserve in.
Technically, the abolishment of army limits was only done for the first Crusade and the legislation authorizing it is long gone. If you're going to do a night attack against a single stack, you'll have to deal with a normal army setup. However, if you're actually suggesting a kamikaze attack on all of them without a night attack to split them, I would personally be willing to look the other way. That's ballsy enough (and certain enough to get you killed) that you're entitled to everything you can get your hands on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ituralde
Something to keep in mind FH as I'm sure I will be heading east in my old age.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
Well I suppose you'll get to fight the Timurids, but the tactics against them are different, as they got long range artillery. For Timurids I'd chose an army with halberds, spears, at least 3 ballistae, 3 or so missile regiments and rest heavy cavalry. Use fire and shoot down their elephants first to make them go amok and then have them come to you while you tell your arty to stop and watch their army get massacred by their own elephants.
Still, both of those enemies you can't use cav heavy armies against. Cav heavy works well against normal factions only.
Even better advise.
So a question. Now that I'm knighted due to Kag's frontal assault which has left me not wanting to see blood for awhile, where do I post orders for the AHA and further movement?
You don't have to really. If you really want to post something, you can do that in the C&G reports topic or via PM. Anything is up to my disgression though and currently I tend towards having the AHA or at least some general with a capable army build watchtowers and forts across Zagreb region after its retaken and have them hunt down the invasion force that attacked Zagreb if its still within Imperial territory. Durazzo will get a decent garrison and I'll have Zagreb supply a few troops down there. Best if you could get one of the other Austrians knighted in the meantime so they can take over garrison duties at Durazzo while Jonas goes back to Franconia.
Technically you still have to comply with Ituralde's orders for the AHA, since they were given in a timely manner and are valid.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
You've done pretty much everything indicated there except "defeat the Hungarians loitering in our territory." However, since Arnold is now Steward, he can legally give you new orders which remove that as a goal. So my legal ruling on the matter (if it counts for anything) is that you have to use the AHA against any Hungarians in Austrian territory, unless Arnold gives new orders. If he gives new orders, it is (like you said) at your discretion (within the limits imposed on you for using Household Armies - such as you can't take them out of the House's territory.).Quote:
Orders for the Austrian Household Army:
The Austrian Household Army will be led by Jonas von Mahren.
As soon as a Austrian noble, who is not on Crusade, gets knighted he will take over command of the Army.
Jonas von Mahren will have full control over the movements of the Army. I have contacted him, that he should bring the siege of Thessalonica to an end, one way or another and return to the Austrian homeland. He should pick up the younger Austrian nobles on his way north and defeat the Hungarians loitering in our territory.
What's up with the forlorn Hope? I know of the 2handed bug, but isn't that fixed?
And as for the big battles, I hope some are in Bavaria land, as commander of the BHA for nearly 50 years (I think) I've fought 3. and am now contridicting myself, as I earlier said I was hesitant to bring Gerhard into battle. Oh well, I'll just have to wait and see.
TC,
I'll send you the usual fee :2thumbsup:
FH,
Most of it's just roleplaying as its inline with what Ituralde said before.
I don't really want to keep Durazzo. It makes this eastern border a shocker.
With Durazzo as an offer, peace with Venice might actually be possible.
How long have we been at war with them? (since Hienrich's riegn? or has there been peace with them since?)Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
@ FH or AG were you going to leave any military buildings standing>?
Hmmm maybe the pope will like a small outpost ~:)
If both econ and you agree, I'll use it in negotiations, although its value is now much depreciated due to the extermination (settlement value in negotiations are equal to its population and income)
What TC said was pretty much what I had planned, in terms of hutning down the Hungarians, so there shouldn't be any probs with your new orders.
Stuperman: I wouldn't see why Durazzo should be razed.
I'm not fussed.
It's a nightmare province in the game right now and I'm stretched enough without it.
If a friendly neighbour can be arranged then I can concentrate on the Hungarians in the future (which is my plan).
Please go ahead and bargain.
There is no such thing as a friendly neighbor except if its the pope and you are a good christian :)
I know, but the Pope is an option. There are other neighbours that are not inclined to attack isn't there?Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
According to the scripts, only the pope won't ever backstab or attack you if you are neutral/allied.
Any other faction including trusted allies (which we cannot have with our bad global rep) have at best a 90% chance of holding the alliance.
Oh, and vassals are totally peaceful too, but I doubt we'll see one for at least 2 more chancellorships.
FH....I've said you're a genius when it come to this game...but you know too much for your own good :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
So hell give it to the pope as part of the deal in the East. See if he can say no to that!! :laugh4:
Since it's a newly conquered and unassigned land, you'll have to get the Kaiser's permission to dispose of it. Personally, I would prefer that it not be given to the Pope. I like him being limited to the East and it will just cause more problems if Austria ever decides to expand south again.
@TC Agreed
Yeah I've noticed a rise of Build orders threads for newly conquered settlements in the Chancellor's Report threat. Some people seem to forget that the city they just conquered still has to be given to their house in the end. :beam:
Oh and concerning the battle against the Mongols. I don't really plan on getting killed in that battle, but facing a Mongol army three times my size may well spell disaster in the end. I can take the responsibility for Leopold dying but I don't want anyone to be mad at me if I get his character killed. That's why I would feel better if no other avatars came along. Less to worry about. :beam:
Erm small problem AG. When Sigismund joins your stack he becomes commander due to higher command rating. I guess I'll have to split him before the knighting battle.
But Fredericus must go. Don't worry about him too much. He hasn't been in many battles, but I have never paid a great deal of attention to his safety. The bastard still survived, and I imagine picked up the "Courageous" trait from the ordeal. Which, in-character, is also the reason he must go. Read the description of the trait. He is not staying behind! I really don't mind if he gets killed, as long as your writeup makes it sound glorious. Feel free to use him as ordinary cavalry, I always have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ituralde
I have left you in Leopold's stack.
gosh dangit! just when i get a general avatar he dies :no:
That indeed sucks gibsonsg91921, a small consolation is that there are other avatars available. However, none are in Austria at the moment. Perhaps you should consider Franconia, Swabia or Bavaria? If you're looking for immediate action, Franconia and Swabia would be better bets at this point.
Alright guys. Two battles coming up, non crusade related.
1:FlyDudeDutch_guy gets to fight 2 Polish crossbowmen blocking his way (he may autoresolve if he wishes or have me fight it)
2: TinCow assaults Zagreb
If Xdeathfire wants, he may attack the French near Paris but that is not imperative.
48 hours deadline in total for both battles. Please post/PM if you are fighting.
I thought you said FLYdude was in Leopold's stack? Has Dusan Kolar sent the Mongols some Polish crossbowmen to help them out? :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
Errrr I mean Dutch_guy SORRY :)
Currently in process of uploading kotr1228-2
ill go with franconia cuz thats where ehrhart used to live before i got him.
who's available there?
A lot of von Kastilien.
Check the C&G first page.
Also not listed there (I think) is Siegfried von Kastilien, a new avatar (check last page for that)
Econ, so Henry survived?
i guess ill go with fritz von kastilien, the next oldest son after ansehelm
Alright gibson, Fritz is currently umm good question, where was he....I think he's in Italy garrisoning Florence...or was it Bologna. Somewhere there :p
StoneCold: You'll find out in a bit once econ finishes writing ;)
cool - but isnt he from franconia? whats he doing in bavaria lol
idc i love italy
He was besieged until last turn inside Florence. Where do you want him?
Also due to the same stupid game mechanics that allow your previous avatar to be spawn in the capital. Else you avatar would probably have spawn in the same stack as Jonas when he came of age and probably wouldn't have died a gruesome death... :P
Damn... cliffhanger... come on, at least show the results? :P
We have friends over for dinner tonight, so I doubt I'll be able to fight my battle until tomorrow night. So, Dutch_guy, feel free to take the save.
You could get your friends hooked on PBM :D
i guess ill put him whereever works best for the reich
actually can i take peter von kastilien? im looking at the traits and his seem more desirable.
Yes, but his army did not. :no:Quote:
Originally Posted by StoneCold
Battle report is up.
Wow...
Econ, you seems to have miss putting up the butcher's bill. But even from the last pic, I can see your troops are almost gone.
Good catch - I've just posted the butcher's bill.
I've never fought Mongols before in M2TW. Originally, just after the last Diet, I had thought I could attack two Mongol stacks and win. Now that would have been a sure fire way to go out in style (or ignomy, running from the battle screaming like a girl...).
econ, do you mind if I use Kurt in a quick story? Nothing bad will happen to him/I won't do anything with him that you disapprove of.
Sure, GH - go ahead.
haha, you are brave, econ... :).
Looks like the only thing that is intact in your army is the crossbowmen, are they in loose formation during the artillery duel? They definitely need to be replenished again with spears and calvary before they can be a effective force again.
No, I kept the crossbows in close formation - I had six in a line, so screening them was a problem even then. And I figured close might deal better with any Mongols who got past the front line. Plus, loose formations sometimes don't seem to skirmish quickly enough and get caught.
As it happened, the normal Mongol horse archers played nice and just stayed back, shooting. By contrast, the heavy archers walked right up to the crossbows at the beginning and then charged, while Bayan was just jaw-dropping. I doubt the crossbowmen lost many to enemy fire - I rather suspect the horse archers preferred to rip up the closerby melee infantry and cavalry I had.
The Steffen family looks like blessed with genuis commanders... :P
Any idea where are the other Nations of the Crusades?
I'm lovin it ECON!!
Excellent stuff.
I'm sure Ituralde is checking he has everything correctly placed in his trouser's, before sticking himself in the mongol horde back yard!! lol!
Still, armies can be replenished, commanders can't. You got rid of one of their top line generals...there's only 4 more to go!!
Ituralde, you're up!!
Ituralde, Fredericus is not young... :P he is only 5 years Leopold's junior.. :P