The incredible evil plot of the evil beersalesmen [Concluded]

A vigilante attack on night one?

:inquisitive:

Why not?

I did that in Omanes mini mafia :shame:

When you had nothing to go on? When you had more chances of killing a townie, because nobody looked suspicious?

Come on, the vigilante here wouldn't do that. I hope.

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Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius

I dont like you Andres somewhat.
Why are you reccomending us who to lynch? You are leading us to nowhere

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I'd just like to remind everyone that Andres was attacked (BY HEINEKEN SALESMEN) in Round 1.

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Originally Posted by Tran

Or it could just be a failed vigilante attack, remember my attack on Ichigo in your "Heretic Mafia"? I'm sure you do...:inquisitive:

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Re-read the description of the attack. It is obvious I got attaced by a Heineken salesman = mafia. Mafia cannot attack another mafia. Never.

Day 4 is over, Night 5 has begun, and I have little time

"People, people, again you made up your mind. I have counted the votes and we have a clear winner. You, Shlin, have won the big price, a one way ticket out of town. You get a ten second headstart, after that these guys will come after you, so good luck."

Tally:

Shlin28: 5 (Andres, greaterkhaan, Sasaki, GeneralHankerchief, Omanes)
Omanes: 1 (CA)
GeneralHankerchief : 3 (Xdeathfire, Tran, Shlin28)
Tran: 2 (Beefy, Caius)
Not voting: 1 (Prole)

No WoG bait

Send yer PM's

Edit: Nevermind I didn't realise this was the next page. Stupid "Read posts since last visit".

This sucks, I always get lynched in the active mafias, and when everything gets good.

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Originally Posted by Beefy187

Sorry for late replies.. school started today

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That is true, Beefy, Twilightblade, Killfr3nzy and I all have started school again. Same school, same times.

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Originally Posted by RoadKill

This sucks, I always get lynched in the active mafias, and when everything gets good.

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We all have stretches like that. Heck, I've survived only one mafia -- as a god -- and still lost that one and Dutch Guy was murdered on round one almost as a tradition for a while there.....it's all part of the game's charm. :cheesy:

What about UltraWar? If I recall, he had an even worse streak.

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Originally Posted by the mafia faq thread

UltraWar: Being killed and/or lynched in the first round repeatedly over various games.

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Apparently so.

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Originally Posted by Tran

Or it could just be a failed vigilante attack, remember my attack on Ichigo in your "Heretic Mafia"? I'm sure you do...

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True, but I sincerely doubt that a pro-townsperson would try selling dangerous beer to the their targets. Only the mafia kills in such a way.

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Originally Posted by CountArach

What about UltraWar? If I recall, he had an even worse streak.

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You have to break the trend..
Make sure that it is not a good idea to kill you in the first round.
I also was killed in the first rounds in my early days and so was Discovery1.

Mafia should know by now that by killing Sigurd in the first round, ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. :whip:

And the dragon was wroth with the woman [Mafia] , and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God [the game Host]...
(Rev. 12:17)

Sigh...another badnwagon on another guy. I know you guys are all saying im lurking and am scummy, but think of this. I barely post enough for me not to get Woged which I doubt mafia would do since that would attract attention. Also, if you guys look at my recent posts, in like the past month I made only around 50 posts, alot lower than what I used to do during school since I dont have even less time during the summer.

Edit: Okay I just counter and its like 72 posts in 30 days, a slight below 2.3 per day compared to my average of 4.52.

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Originally Posted by Xdeathfire

Sigh...another badnwagon on another guy. I know you guys are all saying im lurking and am scummy, but think of this. I barely post enough for me not to get Woged which I doubt mafia would do since that would attract attention. Also, if you guys look at my recent posts, in like the past month I made only around 50 posts, alot lower than what I used to do during school since I dont have even less time during the summer.

Edit: Okay I just counter and its like 72 posts in 30 days, a slight below 2.3 per day compared to my average of 4.52.

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Actual data presented in your own defense -- exactly what bandwagon efforts are designed to elicit.

Kommo's research suggests that a moderate decrease in posts correlates fairly well with an active role -- but a halving of your post count would not. I got similar results with some of my scans using posts-per-page (my pages are set at 40).

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

Mafia should know by now that by killing Sigurd in the first round, ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. :whip:

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I seem to remember the mafia winning Graffiti Mafia when you were offed first... :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I seem to remember the mafia winning Graffiti Mafia when you were offed first... :laugh4:

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True... but I got you and Kommodus lynched. The last mafioso Xiahou was just too good. And then you had Disco who couldn't be lynched. All hell was loose in that game.

This game is better coordinated. Speaking of the devil... shouldn't there be some results by now?

Night 5 over, Day 5 has begun

CA was emptying his letterbox when he found a strange green card in it. An obvious advertisement, but CA read it anyway and he liked it.
"Buy 6 6packs Heineken and you'll maybe win a trip to Alaska."
CA the iceman as he was sprinted off to the shops and got 6 6packs from a dust-gathering shelf. At home he got some warm cloths and he left the town while walking to the north.
He missed the word "maybe" in the advertisement.

Khaan was jogging in the park when he saw empty Heineken bottle. Not far further on he saw another one, and another one, and another one, and curious as he was he started following them. After about an hour he came to a small hut far outside Gah-village. He entered it, but behind him the door closed and was locked.
Khaan, knowing he couldn't get out, went to sleep and when he woke up he tried to open the door, and it worked, but ashamed as he was he didn't dare to return to Gah-village.

Still alive (9):
Beefy
Andres
Xdeathfire
Caius (aka mr. difficult name)
Prole
Sasaki
Tran
Omanes
GH

"Killed:"
Sigurd
Seamus
Pevergreen
DG
Faust
Roadkill
Ichigo
WM
Khaan
CA
Shlin

WoG:
Lorenzo
Twilightblade

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

True... but I got you and Kommodus lynched. The last mafioso Xiahou was just too good. And then you had Disco who couldn't be lynched. All hell was loose in that game.

This game is better coordinated. Speaking of the devil... shouldn't there be some results by now?

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heh. Your over zealousness cost you that game, it will cost you this one as well.

:bow:

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heh. Your over zealousness cost you that game, it will cost you this one as well.

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This sounds confessional.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

This sounds confessional.

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:shrug: Just stating the obvious.

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Originally Posted by Tran

No. I believe shlin is a new player and other people just using his 'newness' to their own advantage. It wasn't a bandwagon after all...

Now vote GH! :whip:

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What made you believe that shlin was a new player and not mafia?

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

heh. Your over zealousness cost you that game, it will cost you this one as well.

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"Your overconfidence is your weakness."

"Your faith in your friends is yours."

Oh, and so nobody accuses me of bandwagoning:

Vote: Tran

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

https://i113.photobucket.com/albums/...patine2321.jpg

"Your overconfidence is your weakness."

"Your faith in your friends is yours."

Oh, and so nobody accuses me of bandwagoning:

Vote: Tran

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:inquisitive: confidence is for the weak.

Vote: Tran

Wasn't it a little strange that he wandered into the thread just as shilin was been victimised. You just have to ask yourself if he was trying to save his mafia buddy?

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Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites

Vote: Tran

Wasn't it a little strange that he wandered into the thread just as shilin was been victimised. You just have to ask yourself if he was trying to save his mafia buddy?

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Mafia also go after their partners when they are probably going to be lynched in order to appear innocent. Your reason for voting tran is one that has been given before.

fos:omanes

Tran is suspicious, but we should wait a bit before overcommitting ourselves to a wagon. Sometimes someone gets to many votes and then it's hard to get someone else lynched even if new evidence comes up.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Tran is suspicious, but we should wait a bit before overcommitting ourselves to a wagon. Sometimes someone gets to many votes and then it's hard to get someone else lynched even if new evidence comes up.

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Nah... go for Tran he was obviously trying to save his buddy Shlin28 last round. And I am absolutely convinced that Shlin28 is was a Heineken salesman.

vote:tran

I trust sigurd on this one.

ill come back to vote in about 3 hours or so. Hopefully some new evidence will come up by then

@Stig: If there's only one Heineken salesman left, can he kill two people too, or he can only kill one person?

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Originally Posted by Tran

@Stig: If there's only one Heineken salesman left, can he kill two people too, or he can only kill one person?

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:beam:

What? If you want to use that as "evidence" against me then go ahead.

I've said what I need to say in the previous post. So I'll just say "good luck townie!" :cheesy:

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Originally Posted by Tran

So I'll just say "good luck townie!" :cheesy:

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Does that mean you're in the opposite team?

Vote : Tran

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Originally Posted by Tran

@Stig: If there's only one Heineken salesman left, can he kill two people too, or he can only kill one person?

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Well I believe I already said it, but it's one.

Nice try, Tran, but I have an additional question for Stig: Can a converted player kill as well?

just a quick question
do we have 2 evil beer saller or 1 left?

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Originally Posted by Beefy187

just a quick question
do we have 2 evil beer saller or 1 left?

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In fact, you never know. Roles are not revealed upon dead.

We started the game with 3 original Heineken salesmen. One townie got converted. The converted player doesn't need to get lynched to ensure a town victory.

A least 1 (and probably 2) of the 3 original mafiosi is/are already dead.

thank you Andres for answering my question:2thumbsup:

since this is my last opportunity to vote till tommorow ill have to vote for Tran. I dont necessary agree with all the reasons but we do need to lynch someone if we want to kill the beer sales man. And Tran is the most suspecious.

Vote:Tran

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Originally Posted by Andres

Nice try, Tran, but I have an additional question for Stig: Can a converted player kill as well?

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Why not? You should have a reason to convert him, no ~D

Vote: Tran

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

Vote: Tran

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That was out of the blue.

Vote tally

Tran : 6 (GH, Omanes, Sasaki, Andres, Beefy, Prole)

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

Vote: Tran

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Lack of commentary here is scummy. With 5 votes on tran it's clear he's going to be lynched. Scum in this situation would probably vote for their partner, but would be concerned about giving themselves away with a large post...

I'm here

Day 5 is over, Night 6 has begun

Tran is lynched, I am busy ... little write-up to come

Vote tally

Tran : 6 (GH, Omanes, Sasaki, Andres, Beefy, Prole)
Not voting : 3 (Tran, Xdeathfire, Caius)

Send yer PMs

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Lack of commentary here is scummy.

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It's a little scummy looking sure, but if you look at the post time you can create a mental image of Prole hurriedly quaffing her coffee and trying to get in a vote before she'd be afk at work for awhile.

I'm with Sig on this on.

I've been more active with a few confirmed innocents behind the scenes and it's basically a numbers game at this point, the town will be safe at the end of this. Now excuse me while I enjoy my Tieguanyin tea, something none of you beer swilling plebs could dream of affording. :extends her pinky daintily and sips:

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

It's a little scummy looking sure, but if you look at the post time you can create a mental image of Prole hurriedly quaffing her coffee and trying to get in a vote before she'd be afk at work for awhile.

I'm with Sig on this on.

I've been more active with a few confirmed innocents behind the scenes and it's basically a numbers game at this point, the town will be safe at the end of this. Now excuse me while I enjoy my Tieguanyin tea, something none of you beer swilling plebs could dream of affording. :extends her pinky daintily and sips:

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:beam:

Personally, I think Prole is acting a bit suspicious here. Look at her posts since the game started:

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Just got back from out of town, but I don't see anything that significant other than Sigurd's main four points.

Vote: Abstain for now..

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Nothing that suspicious about this

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This is already difficult to follow. I think pevergreen's death should be considered, but over all, considering it wasn't an apparent Heineken man, it was prolly some other serial killer action or...

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Nothing that suspicious.

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I agree, Warmaster. GH has been acting scummy through this whole thing, and Sasaki looks scummy whether he's the detective, beer man, game moderator, trash man, whatever role.

Lynch: GH

But I've...

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She agrees with Warmaster and goes for GH, a patern will emerge here now.

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Check the replies total.

I have 6 posts, the same amount as you, Count.

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Very defensive and quickly posted I believe even though she wasn't really targetted and it was just a random vote I believe

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Seamus has made the most sense here, if GH was innocent, he'dve been killed by now.

Unvote: GH
Vote: Roadkill

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She now listens to Seamus and bandwagons on Roadkill even though she seemed pretty convinced about GH due to Warmaster earlier

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I said Seamus changed my mind. What he said about GH makes more sense than accusing GH of being mafia for a deadline-voting snafu. If I was mafia, I'd be trying very hard to get him or Sasaki lynched...

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Again, very defensive about her voting record. More defensive than what most people would do

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Vote: Tran

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Yet another bandwagon without any reasons or even who she thought was the most convincing or what he did that was the most suspicious

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It's a little scummy looking sure, but if you look at the post time you can create a mental image of Prole hurriedly quaffing her coffee and trying to get in a vote before she'd be afk at work for...

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Very defensive again.

Of her posts after the game has started, she has not participated that much and is a lurker like me which by itself isnt that suspicious seeing as we got lots of stuff to do in real life, but her votes and the things that she does post are pretty bad. Of the 4 days, she bandwagoned 3 times and abstained the first time. Furthermore, she was extremely defensive and would post up an explanation any time someone thought that she was kinda suspicious.

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Furthermore, she was extremely defensive and would post up an explanation any time someone thought that she was kinda suspicious.

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Heheh. Guess when suspicion is casted upon me I should just thumb my nose and give no explanation.

~:wave:

You're feeling the vice grip around your beer sales, eh? Wasn't sure who it was until now, but things aren't looking good for your Heineken peddling.

It is okay for someone to defend themselves, but it gets suspicious when they are extremely aggressive in doing so, like offer a very well thought out explanation relatively quickly which implies that they were ready for someone to cast suspicion on them.

Furthermore, most of the time when suspicion was cast on you, it was mostly relatively arbtrary with nothing that big to back up the accusation which didnt amount to an aggressive defense.

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You're feeling the vice grip around your beer sales, eh? Wasn't sure who it was until now, but things aren't looking good for your Heineken peddling.

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Again, I cast suspicion onto you and bam you're on the offensive accusing me of being mafia when you could've tried to offer better explanations.

She wasn't extremely defensive, that's a complete misrepresentation...furthurmore Xdeath, why did you bring out that case before the night was over?

Night 6 is over, Day 6 has begun


Prole was drinking her tea when the doorbell ran, an Heineken salesman, but Prole knew how deal with this scum, she opened the door and said: "I'm sorry I have no time, now excuse me while I enjoy my Tieguanyin tea, something none of you beer swilling plebs could dream of affording." (thanks Prole, topquote)

Omanes was sleeping when he heard the noice of working outside. Thinking they were working on the road he went to sleep again. Half an hour later he woke up again and thought:
"What are they doing working on the road at 2 in the night?"
So he went outside to see what was going on. When he opened the door he didn't see a thing, all he could hear were the voices of an angry mob outside.
Omanes door was barricaded by crates of Heineken, his entire house was barricaded. He could count himself lucky, inside he was atleast safe of lynching, even tho he couldn't do anything himself.

Still alive (7):
Beefy
Andres
Xdeathfire
Caius (aka mr. difficult name)
Prole
Sasaki
GH

"Killed:"
Sigurd
Seamus
Pevergreen
DG
Faust
Roadkill
Ichigo
WM
Khaan
CA
Shlin
Omanes
Tran

WoG:
Lorenzo
Twilightblade

Hahaha, nice try.

Vote: Xdeathfire

Vote: Xdeath

:7gardener:

Vote:xdeath

Well, these posts from Xdeathfire caught my eye:

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Originally Posted by Xdeathfire

Hmm...GH and greater are the most suspicious, but I cant come to believe that GH has made a mistake, and I think he was too quick in voting for greater. I personally saw nothing that he did that was extremely bad. I will not vote for either right now, but may vote for GH in the future.

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He calls GH and GK the most suspicious, afterwards he says he doesn't believe GH is guilty and than he says he might vote GH. How about GK? Why was he suspicious? A rather odd post. In that post, you look like the helpful townie, but you aren't really taking a position. It is sort of evasive. It is too 'neutral'. In fact, I feel guilty for not having noticed that post at the beginning of the game. You would have been a good choice for an early lynch based on that post alone.

Here's another suspicious post:

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Originally Posted by Xdeathfire

Sorry, about my lack of participation here, seems like summer vacation is even busier than school, but I'll try to be more active.

Also, that previous lynch seemed like a really fast bandwagon. You should at least give someone a chance to say something or to see if they were even on the forums recently before bandwagoning on him. His last post on the forums was before day 3 has started, 2 days ago so he might just be busy in real life.

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You know very well you are lurking throughout the game as well. It seems like you are a bit concerned about the bandwagons. Why would that be?

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Originally Posted by Xdeathfire

Wow guys, another bandwagon on shlin now... I personally dont find him being that scummy, but to me GH blatantly badnwagoned with his vote and reason saying this:

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Originally Posted by GH

“Funny, you misspelled greaterkhaan’s name”

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So I will Vote: GeneralHankerchief

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Here you defend Shlin28. At this stage of the game, I can tell you guys that we are 100 % sure Shlin28 was mafia. You pick a target that has been under pressure before: GH. The best choice to create a tie with Shlin, thus avoiding the lynch of a mafioso? Your buddy Tran came to help you, but unfortunately, the plan doesn't work.

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Originally Posted by Xdeathfire

Sigh...another badnwagon on another guy. I know you guys are all saying im lurking and am scummy, but think of this. I barely post enough for me not to get Woged which I doubt mafia would do since that would attract attention. Also, if you guys look at my recent posts, in like the past month I made only around 50 posts, alot lower than what I used to do during school since I dont have even less time during the summer.

Edit: Okay I just counter and its like 72 posts in 30 days, a slight below 2.3 per day compared to my average of 4.52.

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This post really does it for me. Why the defensive tone? It wasn't really necessary at that time? A whole explanation without being in danger of getting lynched? Also, the edit was made within 1 minute from the making of the post. You did all that counting and the edit in only 1 minute? :inquisitive:

And then you accused Prole during the night. Attack is the best defense? Sort of a pre-emptive strike?

I think you are scum Xdeathfire and therefore:


Vote : Xdeathfire

Vote:Xdeathfire

Correct me if im wrong

You probebly know this already but these peoples havnt been attacked by the evil beer sales man yet

Beefy187
Xdeathfire
Caius
Sasaki
GH

am i right?
so one (or two) of them must be the evil beer salesman

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Originally Posted by Beefy187

Correct me if im wrong

You probebly know this already but these peoples havnt been attacked by the evil beer sales man yet

Beefy187
Xdeathfire
Caius
Sasaki
GH

am i right?
so one (or two) of them must be the evil beer salesman

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So, I want to hear if you think Xdeath is mafia or not.

Wow.....I can guarantee to you guys that I am innocent but there is probably no use anyways seeing as everyone already bandwagoned on me. If it will convince you guys that I am innocent, I will try to get you guys to lynch someone else.

So to Sitg, I will suicide

So there you guys, that should make me innocent to your eyes now, unless you wanna lynch the guy thats gonna kill himself...

Why is suicide somehow proof of innocence? I'm confused.

Why would the mafia kill himself?

well if his really willing to commit suicide then we gotta lynch someone alse

Lets say Xdeath is really innocent. That means the beer sales man tried to frame Xdeath to get lynched. So I vote GH. Because he was supposed to get lynched ages ago and somehow he managed to survive till now.

Vote:GH

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So I vote GH. Because he was supposed to get lynched ages ago and somehow he managed to survive till now.

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I use lubrication to help me keep slipping away. :wink:

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Originally Posted by Beefy187

well if his really willing to commit suicide then we gotta lynch someone alse

Lets say Xdeath is really innocent. That means the beer sales man tried to frame Xdeath to get lynched. So I vote GH. Because he was supposed to get lynched ages ago and somehow he managed to survive till now.

Vote:GH

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Nah, you will first have to answer to my question, or are you saying that XdeathFire is your buddy?.

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Originally Posted by Xdeathfire

So to Sitg, I will suicide

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Stig, can we take it for granted that Xdeathfire will die at the end of this round, no matter what happens next and who will get lynched?

For instance, if we would all vote Beefy, will we have two dead players at the end of the round: Xdeath and Beefy?

If Xdeathfire would say, before the day ends: "ok, I'm not committing suicide anymore", would that keep him alive?

Imo, this would be a form of cheating. It would be fair if Xdeathfire can already considered dead by now. Does the host share my opinion?

Pending the reply of the host, I assume Xdeathfire already died and thus:

Unvote ; Vote : Beefy

Concur with Andres: If that beer salesman Xdeath is killing himself, and we get to lynch another, Vote: Beefy pending Stig's call, of course.

i was gonna write up a massive post to defend my self but i cant be bothered. So ill make it nice and short.

Well firstly im innocent.
and second i just said if Xdeathfires suiciding i dont wanna waste my vote on the dead man.
I did think Xdeathfire was fishy but i just wanted to vote later just incase someone brings up new evidence.

So basically what im saying is.. If you really want to lynch me go ahead. but youll regret it.

good luck townies

Honestly, that won't help you much.

Welcome to the end-game.

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Originally Posted by Stig

Still alive (7):
Beefy
Andres
Xdeathfire
Caius (aka mr. difficult name)
Prole
Sasaki
GH

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Of these:

Andres and Prole may be presumed innocent as they were attacked but neither Heinekilled nor converted to the cause of that horrific non-stout (See Beefy above).

One of the remaining 5 must be an original H-seller.

One convert has been created. Likely converts could be Sasaki or GH (since their "high profile" status pretty well insures that they will have been investigated early and thus become good conversion targets since revisiting a name is rarely a good choice for a detective).

If we have 2 originals plus a convert, then XD suiciding would leave it a 3-3 tie and result in an immediate mafia win. Stig has not ruled on the suicide.

If we have 1 original and 1 convert (mathematically the most likely option), then XD suiciding leaves us with a 4-2 scenario.

Lynching a known innocent who was subsequently converted would be valuable in lengthening the game, but would not generate a win.

Each of the 5 unattacked players should post a set of reasons why they should not be considered a FoS as an H-seller/convert. Let us have a goodly statement that we can compare against your record and thus confirm your innocence.

Unvote: Xdeath
Vote: Beefy

I was investigated by the Detective (whose name I will not say) and found innocent. This was before the one conversion that took place.

As far as why I'm not the convert, I've been a target now since basically the second round. The salesmen wouldn't want to "kill" me, and I'd be a waste of an attempted conversion since I could easily get lynched at any time.

Personally I don't think this explanation is necessary since the game will almost surely be over with this dual lynch/suicide.

If Xdeath suicides then you will have to vote someone else, he's dead anyway

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Originally Posted by Stig

If Xdeath suicides then you will have to vote someone else, he's dead anyway

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Since Xdeath is dead, this is the list of living players:

Beefy
Andres
Caius (aka mr. difficult name)
Prole
Sasaki
GH

Tally:

Beefy : 3 (Andres, Prole, GH)
GH: 1 (Beefy)

And with that we end the day

Day 6 is over, Night 7 has begun

Beefy has been lynched, write up if I find time (bloody life)

Tally:

Beefy : 3 (Andres, Prole, GH)
GH: 1 (Beefy)
No Voting: 2 (Sasaki, Caius) (they had a vote on Xdeath)

Send your PMs I will clear my inbox

FOS: Sasaki. Haven't been attacked yet, I've just got a bad feeling regarding him.

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Andres
Caius (aka mr. difficult name)
Prole
Sasaki
GH

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I want everyone hear the opinion of the remaining alive.

EDIT:Deleted Beefy as he is dead.

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I want everyone hear the opinion of the remaining alive.

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Okay, you first.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Okay, you first.

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Pipe down, Hanky, you already summed yourself above!

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