These are acceptable terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
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These are acceptable terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
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Originally Posted by Destroyer of Hope
OCC: When the "Offical" Deadlie DOH? Curious.
Yes, I'd also like to know the deadline for decisions :yes:
Yes, We need a offical date so we know :-). I know you got RL stuff, but it only takes a second to make 1 post here :-).
we'll say the 26th.
I have sent my decisions in. And godspeed with everyone else sending it.
mine will be sent in shortly. Thanks DOH :-)
So wait a second here, are we supposed to have gotten a PM w/ decision choices or are we winging it here?
Your choice Ottamons saxony and Russia are the nations that don't have PM's yet (will send them tonight) that gave me non free formed orders. The free form order nations (france, Sweden and Spain) I'm giving the lower prorities of getting actual orders out. As a side question does anyone draw a huge benifit from having the orders or are they preaty much useless.
having orders? what you mean?
The actual options like: The thread: you have been asked a question what do you do:
A. inorge it
B. Answer it politly
C. Spam
ect ect
I don't mind them. I mean, imo, I can also add on stuff. but if they going to take up to much time and such, I think we should do away with them, but if it makes it easier for you,keep them.
I like the orders, they can serve nicely as a base for anything broader you want to do.
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Originally Posted by greaterkhaan
like what he said :beam:
I like the orders, but if that is too much of a hassle for you DoH then you can drop them if you like.
I think a general set of questions is a better thing. Like, what do you want to do with situation x?
I think the options or orders are a good instrument for DoH to steer the story. There should be some decisions like: there is this or that special problem and you have to decide.
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Originally Posted by Ichigo
Either or for me. :book:Quote:
Originally Posted by greaterkhaan
The Leader of Brandenburg (don't think I know his name OCC), I have proclaim the King of Prussia and Austria Reconzies Him and his Country as a independart State, after we signed both a Trade Argeement and A Allanice between both of our Great Nations.
Leopold I of the Austrian Empire.
OCC: I can't find the Austrian (Spanish) Netherlands on the Game Map. Anyone can help me point them out??
It's Ichigo.Quote:
Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888
"Frederick I of Prussia (German: Friedrich I., July 11, 1657 – February 25, 1713), of the Hohenzollern dynasty, was (as Frederick III; Friedrich III.) Elector of Brandenburg (1688–1713) and the first King in Prussia (1701 – 1713)." - Wiki :beam: :yes: :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888
They're the Southern Netherlands, methinks....:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888
Yup, just Belgium, it's just that the name ain't in.
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Originally Posted by King Jan III Sobieski
OCC: I know it's Icigho who playing as Brandenburg, just sent him PM's today lol.
Thanks Janos.
:france:
France welcomes the new King of Prussia. We invite you to send your embassador to Paris.
Louis
OOC:
Austria, could you check your mail system?
Bavaria is bristeling with absolute disgust. The Duchy of Brandenburg is given free rights, it is given the right for a new kingdom. What of Bavaria!? We have died and fought for Germany for centuries, generations. The Prussians have v=barely kept up with US! I believe it is time Bavaria is also granted its full rights as a seperate Kingdom.
If the Kaiser refuses, expect very much anger from the populace of Bavaria. We have fought, we have a large army, we are a large enough state! Austria, if you let us free, think of all the good things?
Expect a messenger in Vienna.
You guys have issues! [/girly teenage American]
Yes, they do have! After the failed campaign against Augsburg, the useless threats against Sweden, the acceptance of the Prussian throne the influence of the Kaiser is eroding rapidly.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
CA, cannot open the link.
By the way, have you received my Japanese message? What is going on with the Civil War? :coffeenews:
CCS: I cheeck my mail system Now Fran
We will Think Over it, don't touble yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warluster
My influence is not eroding. I have the say of what I wish to do, and I have powerfull Allies to support me.
Leopold I of Austria
OCC: Fran, PM me now if you need, made some space.
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Originally Posted by Warluster
What good things can I expect from letting Bavaria into beening a Free State? You Must Understand a Ruler of a Empire can not answer (or succumb) to every single group that wishes to be a a country. What Can we expect from Bavaria? We had Interests into having Brandenburg become our allies and trade argeement with them, into return for the King of Prussa/Freedom stance. I am not and will not Grant Bavaria their freedom untill I have good reasons why I should. your people have grown, your army has grown, your country has grown, but Remember, We, Austria, Are Bigger, Have a Larger Army,And have More Items coming in for Trade.
Leopold I of the Austrian EMpire
I will help you squash any rebellion in Bavaria if the need arises.
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Originally Posted by Ichigo
As you can See, The People of Bavaria, with the recent responsce from Brandenburg, I am not putting up with anymore threats,pressure or anything from foreign nations. Which is why I want good reasons to give you people freedom before I do.
Leopold I
AUstria, you may be powerful, but, you may have allies. But I am not alone as well. Bavaria's Lord, Maxmillian, speaks to the Kaiser only, not the Ruler of Brandenburg.
@ Austria: Please take care about your mail system once again!
Sorry! Damn Box been getting full. I delelte some important stuff and Ii keep getting full! :laugh4: :laugh4:
We stand ready to assist you. If Austria tries to invade you to subjugate you, we will engage Austria, as per the terms of our agreement. However, if you invade them, we will be required to limit our support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warluster
As for Brandenburg-Prussia.... we have an alliance with them as well. Should they initiate hostilities with you, our alliance with them will be nullified and we will come to your aid. But it must be them invading/starting hostilities with you. Should you initiate with them, the same rules will apply... our alliance with you will be nullified and honor will demand we come to the aid of Brandenburg.
Please take this under advisement. Sweden encourages you to seek your independence from Vienna, but to do so by pursuing peaceful means.
Regards,
Charles XII, King of Sweden, Livonia, Pomerania, et. al.
Charles XII,
isn't it lovely everyone is taking sides and trying to scare one another by saying "If they invade you.... I invade them!"?
I know Charles! If you invade Austria for no reason, Austria,Poland, and our allies will have no ploblem invading Sweden.
We granted Independence to Bavaria, In exchange for a Alliance and Trade Argeement.
At First I did not wish to do so, and I would have not if I was pressured by other nations, but I saw the advantages of giving them their Independence.
Congratlous to Maxmillian.
Leopold I of Austria.
OCC: Oh my god people, my history teacher is using the SAME MAP as this game lol. Well it from the 1400 hundres, but it's very close to it, lol,
ok, back to class I go, and I respond to you PM in a second Fran.
:inquisitive: Well...congratulations to Bavaria, then.
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Originally Posted by Destroyer of Hope
DOH, I readvised my Decsions and will send you a offical copy today. DId everyone send their decsions in yet?
Still haven't gotten anything from DoH.
26th is the deadline. Until then you can think if you want to accept my conditions!Quote:
Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888
Austira, do you agree to my conditions?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augsburg
OCC: Sweden attack Augsburg during the 30 years war, very intersting :-)
I, Leopold the I, after consulting many people, have decided to Revoke Bavaria's Independce.
After gathering information, it is not suitable for us to grant them it at this time.
Leopold I of Austria
Is that possible? By law, I am my own kingdom, the deal has already been signed. Am I not the Kingdom of Bavaria now, I make my own rights? Austria does not contol us anymore, so how can it revoke our independance?
They can put pressure on you to rejoin the Holy Roman Empire.
The Holy Roman Empire losing all of its states? That would almost be like the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth...well, without Lithuania!
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Originally Posted by Warluster
Like the Invasion of Augsburg, I can very well put just as much pressure on you to rejoin my Empire.... And soon.
Leopold I
We in Sweden stand in bewilderment at the flurry of crazed activity from Vienna. We have no idea how deep runs the madness of Emperor Leopold, nor we do care. We simply assert that once Bavaria's indepdence was granted, Austria's ability to control them was lost. Any attempts to use force to correct perceived missteps at this point will be met with considerable resistance. We will not allow Austria to use the rifle and the bayonet to correct the wrongs of their ministry of state.
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Originally Posted by Don Corleone
I was under conserdiable amount of pressure at the time, and I was not thinknig clreay. But of course, It was a huge mistake at my cost, rather or not I had other things on my mind. I never Said anything about using Rifle and bayonet in taking back Bavaria soon, or even using it at all. I just am saying they should come under my Empire again soon. If they, however, resist me and attack my border, I will of course lauch a assault on them, wether or not you, Sweden, supports them.
I though, had enough of the things going on in Europe agaisnt my Empire, and will take a stand.
What Say Thou Bavaria! Austria is getting impatient!
Leopold I
Bavaria shall not re join the Empire, we have been granted Empire and are a free state. Out of interest, what is it you wanted us to re join for?
Maxmillian I
King of Bavaria
I think you would harbour enemy forces in your country to attack Austria, and would do so twice as easy with being a independce state.
Leopold I
What are you talking about? Bavaria is landlocked. They don't buffer any of your enemies from you on a direct approach. If France wanted to attack you via a land route, they'd simply go through Vienna. The rest of us cannot reach Bavaria by land. Bavaria cannot provide a staging ground for anyone that can't reach you through other means already available to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888
Edit: Erh, France would go through Venice.
Except of course in a case of Civil War within the Empire itself.
:france:
We are irritated by the ongoing discussion. They seem to indicate that Austria is regarding France as her enemy. We ask for an explanation.
We also warn Austria to send any soldiers to the socalled Spanish Netherlands without giving France the necessary guarantees.
The Republic agrees with France
It is also irritated that Austria does not agree to our deal regarding the Southern Netherlands.
As a consequence of that the port of Antwerp will remain closed, as it has been during a long time of the Spanish reign. Every ship still wanting to enter your own and only port has to pay 50% of taxes to us.
It seems like over the past few months, Our relationship started to become uneasy and still is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franconicus
If I want to said soldiers to the Austrian Netherlands, I will do so first, before finally accpeting/rejecting your terms, rather or not you like it, and whener or not The Republic likes it. You think I would have no Austrian or at least Allied Troops there to garrsion, and keep them out just because of some terms? That's a good way for someway to overrun them.
But the I think the terms are unfair and unjust, so I think I draw this out and waited long enough, so I will not accpect them.
:france:
After the secession of Brandenburg and Bavaria the Holy Roman Empire is history. France accepts this fact and recognizes the Kingdoms of Brandenburg and Bavaria. France also recognizes the independency of every other German or Italian town or county. Please send your ambassadors to Paris to discuss the details.
Due to the agressiveness of the Austrian Emperor France closes Her borders to the Spanish Netherlands.
Louis
Austria will not discuss any details until they uplift the closers on the Netherlas of Austria's Border. We will not accpect your terms until you make them fairer. We will not have any talks with France until they changed.
We will send our garrsion to the Austrian Netherlands. Our Allies in England and Poland will provide us with protection on the way there.
Since I'm King of England as well I can guarantee you that as it's now England will send you no help.
The Republic supports France in it cause, and if Austria stays hostile it will take steps. We are interested in peace, if our new neighbours can't guarantee that we will use other methods.
OCC: you king of England?
Austria is not taking hostile steps. We Think your causes are hostile towards Austria, and we will take steps if you do not allow our Garrsion to move into the Austrian Netherlands when the Time comes
OOC:
Yes William III is both King of England as Steward of The Netherlands
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Originally Posted by Stig
OCC: but I thought Tran was playing as him, since he is England. He said he...
This is confusing :inquisitive:
If so, I will just use Our allies in Poland to transport then. Do not Dare Stop us.
Leopold I
Yes, Tran is playing England, but we are both the same ruler. So England and The Republic are in personal alliance, so that goes above any other alliance.
Also OOC:
why do you need others to transport them? Can't they walk :laugh4:
*cough*damn:laugh4: *cough*Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
OCC:ok, my responce to the Republic is above in my last post.
Everyone got their decsions in yet? because if so, mabye DOH can start working on it early. this is exciting. :beam:
Nope, I still want to send something, but waiting on a reply ... which can take time
Yea, I know very well it takes time to get replies sometimes lol.
I wonder how long it would take for him to write it up. Didn't take Kagemusha long for my Samurai IH I'm doing.
They could, but have to go though German states, and after Augsburg, not so sure :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
But you sure you could override Tran's Decsion if he dediced to help me since He's playing directly as England and you as just the Netherlands?
England can't really go to war with The Republic ... afterall Napoleon couldn't fight himself, bit difficult.
Wee Wee Napoleon! :laugh4:
OOC: Warman, we talked about this at the beginning of the game. For the first 2 or 3 years, Tran and Stig's policies are fixed, since William of Orange was both King of England and Stadholder of the United Provinces of the Netherlands. He'll die in about 3 years, when Queen Anne will take over the British throne and (some Dutch guy) will be the new Stadholder, and their unity of action will be broken.
Yup, tho in real the alliance continued, however here I could attack Tran.
It continued for a little while, but didn't England pull out and leave you to hang in the breeze a few years down the road?
In real the alliance ended after the War of the Spanish Succession, when England claimed loads of land (Hudson Bay) and all we got was Venlo.
OOC: The deadline finishes in a day, thw 26th, so I'd assume the Chapter comes out before this month is over...
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Originally Posted by Warluster
All Depends Warluster of Bavaria :yes: