King of the Romans OOC thread X

Finally read through everything.

Firstly: OK That is correct. Its a very easy thing to do and I alread got a file ready for that (since I have them recruitable in my SP games). To answer your question, yes they are retroactive. It would probably be a good idea to restrict it to HRE and change the cost of the recruitment in the EDU as well lest you want to use add_money instead. Also, the numbers for recruitment need to be looked at. I believe all thats needed is the chancellor using a modded file for a short while for the hiring and then discarding it. Saves lots of downloads etc. If you want, I can send you such files.

As for marriages and children, some modding may allow more marriages to happen or children to be born. Let me know if thats needed (campaign_db file). Ideally, only the chancellor needs this (and players who fight AI turn battles)

As for the Hümmel issue, I think he was banned for being threatening. Hans hasn't been banned as far as I know even though he still has not sworn allegiance to Siegfried.

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Originally Posted by OverKnight

Getting back to recruiting non-family member generals, I found this on the FAQ at the official forums.



My questions is, if we make the changes now, will it show up in the game? Or is export_descr_building.txt one of the files that's only read at the beginning of the campaign?

Edit: Also if we make these changes, would the other Northern European factions begin recruiting Generals as well?

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all you'd need to do is only add

"recruit_pool "NE Bodyguard" 1 0.2 1 0 requires factions { hre }"

but yes I think this would only affect a new campaign

Recruitable generals can be recruited anytime. Plus, you have to remember that they will not show up on the family tree, so they're not ideal. Let's wait at least until the end of this Chancellorship to see how things play out.

Yes, I'm thinking we really only should be considering it once we got more players than avatars again.

Bob: As a general rule, any file found directly in the data folder will affect a running game. Subfolders are more selective.

It's good to know there is a backup but I think I would take FH suggestion and wait to see if there is a real need; too many players not enough avatars. Let's see what continues to develop.

If we can mod the rate at which generals marry and procreate, that would be a much better solution that having recruitable generals. We can't even control what house the latter goes to, after all.

Actually, recruitable generals can go into any house, because they're not part of the family tree.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

As for the Hümmel issue, I think he was banned for being threatening. Hans hasn't been banned as far as I know even though he still has not sworn allegiance to Siegfried.

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I don't think anyone took the threatening very seriously IC. If you read the Diet thread when this was going on, it seemed more like the Kaiser did it because of the questioning of his authority. Hans was much more diplomatic and strategic in the questioning of the Kaiser's authority and hence, was not and is not banned.

I would prefer more marriages. Yes Franconia might not have a avatar problem, but only Dieter is married.
When I play this game all my generals get proposals when they're 17 years old.

As for Hummel, he and his minions are banned. If you want to go into the Diet again Igno you should have thought about this before you started all this.

Well technically Jonas and Wikerus are married as well. But I too would like more marriages. It would be nice if Jan and Ansehelm can pop out some spawn and continue this feud for generations. :beam:

As for Hummel, the Prince has spoken. Hopefully Wolfgang will take him up on his offer it will be done with.

Sorry to interrupt. The FAQ says this is to place to sign up, so here I am. I'd like to be in the House of Bavaria, if possible.

Hi, Warmaster Horus, welcome to the PBM!

We currently have no spare Bavarian avatars, but have just been discussing modding the game to make generals recruitable. So basically you have two choices:

EITHER: pick one of the spare avatars listed in the first post of the Chancellor and Governors report thread. We have two young Swabians - I think the young Franconian may be taken by FLYdude.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...81&postcount=1

OR: have a recruitable Bavarian general. (The downside of this is that your avatar will not appear on the family tree unless he marries/is adopted into it.)

What's your preference? (You could always download a savegame to check on the location of the spares.)

I'll take a recruited Bavarian general, if it's not too much of a problem.

I can make the changes and recruit a general for 1274. But I can't find export_descr_buildings.txt for M2. Am I missing something?

wow looks like i missed a lot - only gone since tuesday. i forgot to post reserve duty, but i guess i didnt have battles anyway. unless i died and i havent checked mausoleum. lol

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Originally Posted by OverKnight

I can make the changes and recruit a general for 1274. But I can't find export_descr_buildings.txt for M2. Am I missing something?

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Thanks, OK. Perhaps the best thing is just to ask Factionheir to send you his modded file(s)? I'll PM the request to him now.

One thing to be aware of with recruited generals is that they will sometimes get Man of the Hour adoption offers after battles. There's no way to tell which House the man will go to if you accept. This happened with Mandorf and by sheer luck he ended up under Otto. I wouldn't count on it happening again though, so accepting a Man of the Hour with a recruited general runs the risk of screwing up the family tree.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

...so accepting a Man of the Hour with a recruited general runs the risk of screwing up the family tree.

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Good point - maybe players with recruitable generals should indicate whether they wish a potential "Man of the Hour" adoption to be accepted or not?

Well, I unpacked all those data files and found export_descr_buildings.txt. Even followed a tutorial on how to make a new .cfg file and .bat, as the .bat used for FH's fixes didn't work anymore.

Long story short, I can't get recruitable generals to work, either in the current save or a new campaign. This means I'm doing something wrong, so I'll wait for someone who knows what they're doing to come along.

I'll stick to what I know, actually playing the game.

I'm concerned we are doing this.

What's wrong with what I did for months and just playing as an elector and waiting for a real avatar? You can be made a count and have the same voting influence as many others. The only thing you can't do is fight battles?

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I'm concerned we are doing this.

What's wrong with what I did for months and just playing as an elector and waiting for a real avatar? You can be made a count and have the same voting influence as many others. The only thing you can't do is fight battles?

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Agree 100%.

And welcome Warmaster Horus! I'm sure that TinCow will be glad that Bavaria gets another Elector... :hide:

I agree with AG and GH. I'm a purist. I like playing the vanilla game. No need to hack or mod every time the game throws us for a loop. I say lets just roll with it. I worry about the slippery slope this may lead us down. I get concerned when people on here bring up the option of modding every time there is an issue with game mechanics. I will probably always vote against modding or hacking the game. The only way I would accept this is if one of two things happen (or both):

A.) Econ, in his position as gamemaster wants it.

B.) The majority of the players want it.

Otherwise I feel that we are trying too hard to create the kind of game we want instead of playing the game we have. CA did a good job giving us a setting that we can be creative in and have fun interacting with each other. We should concentrate on that and not worry every time something in the game seems weird. If it was killing our fun, then I'd say do it. If it isn't, lets just roll with it.

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Originally Posted by AussieGiant

I'm concerned we are doing this.

What's wrong with what I did for months and just playing as an elector and waiting for a real avatar? You can be made a count and have the same voting influence as many others. The only thing you can't do is fight battles?

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I was in the same situation as AG waiting for an Austrian avatar and was involved enough. As mentioned above you still can be involved and have the influence for voting. I would like to wait and if we get in a crises mode a House with no heirs then lets look at a way to modify the game.

That's my official statement for now. Hopefully I will have an avatar when I get back. We need a couple slow days like today so I won't be too far behind. Recording all post counts in the current threads so I will know where to pick up.
Updated the roster and on reserve duty.

Good idea NN.

Have a great holiday!!

Got the PM and sent back some questions to you regarding which features you want, econ.
Once I get the response its a 1 minute job really. (I'm guessing econ is sleeping now for the next 7+ hours though)

Questions sent in spoilers.

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- Do you want normal or late period BGs? (late are the same as early except they got 1 more armor but they can't get the armor upgrade as earlies do. all in all, same stats but different looks)

- Where do you want them to be hirable? I.e. which building requirement (or even region requirement) if any.

- Zero cost or want to actually pay for it?

I think increasing the marriage and childbirth rate makes much more sense then making Generals recruitable. I'm sympathetic to the purist viewpoint, and I agree that people should be willing to accept that they won't always have an avatar. I simply don't want an entire house to die off because people aren't getting married. That's ridiculous. But I don't want to be able to summon avatar on command either, there should be a bit of randomness. Recruited generals miss out from not being on the family tree, since they can't have relatives.

I think that is easy to say when you have an avatar really.
Back when most people were waiting for one, I would believe that if that option had been known, it would likely have been readily accepted.

Getting and keeping new PBM players should be more of a priority rather than making them wait long enough to put them off. And there have been at least 2 people who joined and left because of that. Probably more.

Having said that, I don't mind providing both files (recruitable generals and increased rates)

Hmm. You mean it could be the chancellors choice? Or that players can choose between getting an avatar quickly or getting one with relatives and a possible lineage? Either makes sense.

I played without one for nearly 4 months if I remember correctly.

I'm not in favour of artificially creating avatars.

I contributed to the game, created a character and was able to vote on legislation.

I'm only interested in creating an OOC option if one of the houses would die off. Even then it would be limited use, one time only action to correct imminent ending of a house.

I know you are a modding machine FH, but no one can tell me it is not possible as I believe I was the longest serving person to play without an avatar in this game.

It is possible and it is certainly better than modding the game in my opinion.

hey, hey I'm back early, are we still in 1272?

edit: I've got 1272-3 and will fight the battle, if OK's moved on than so be it.

Go ahead and fight it, I can back track. Just get it done soon.

battle's done, I got a new name, woot woot,

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1272-4.zip

http://img38.picoodle.com/img/img38/...pm_b0fac2e.jpg

http://img36.picoodle.com/img/img36/...bm_fdb336e.jpg

http://img36.picoodle.com/img/img36/...em_55d3348.jpg

Excellent. I have the save.

I say no to recruiting generals. Become an elector, and if you really want to play become a spy or merchant or something, or the top cardinal.
I'd say increase marriages and birthrates, and leave it at that.

1272 has been updated.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=243

We will proceed to 1274 shortly.

Marriages and Birthrates can be increased? If so, then forget what I said earlier. I'll wait until a Bavarian comes up.

They can indirectly, but only to a very small extent. No promises on a huge marriage + child boom there.
Also, if you were to wait for a coming of age event in Bavaria, you'd probably have to wait some 32 turns still. Thats around 3 more chancellorships.

No problem.

If people don't want to recruit generals, then it's time to move some avatars to the less represented houses. Warmaster Horus, welcome by the way, is the only person waiting for an avatar. I say we give him an unclaimed Franconian or Swabian and transfer that avatar to Bavaria.

If we have avatars available, then let's use them.

If we recruit generals, what effect would that have on marriages and births?

If we marry these recruited generals into houses, or get MOTH, what effect would that have on marriages and births?

Whats funny is, with the succession dispute, there was all of this talk about who was "pure" and who wasn't. If I am reading this correctly, if we do this, eventually no one will be "pure". We will have lots and lots of recruited generals but few if any will be in the tree. And if they are, they won't be of Heinrich's blood which seems to mean something to a few of the characters in this game. The game seems to have a set number of slots available according to how many territories you have. Once you reach that, the game stops letting people marry and stops poppin out kids. We will start filling up "slots" with generic redshirt generals. Because of that, any chance of continuing the "royal" line of Heinrich will eventually die. Which is unfortunate because it adds some spice and intrigue to the game. We'll end up with a nation full of middle management and no CEO's which isn't exactly "feudal".

I agree with AG. If we were at some sort of crisis point, then I'd say go for it in a very limited way that solves the immediate problem. But were not yet. We just lost two old avatars and three more are on their way to meet the reaper. I truly believe the loss of five avatars will kick the game into "breed" mode. That and I don't know if all of the players who lost avatars are coming back.

Also, if people have bailed on this game because they could not get an avatar right away, I don't feel really bad. I admire AG for sticking it out for 4+ months. I lucked out and found this game when there was a massive spare avatar boom. Others here are "old skewl" and got avatars in the beginning because they were in the old WOTS or the KOTR playtest. Most of the rest had to wait. If there are spares, you get one. If there aren't you wait in line like everyone else had to. I plan on playing the next one of these that Econ and company put on. And if I don't get an avatar out of the starting gate, I'll wait in line. The same goes if Jan dies. If there is a spare, I'll take him. If not, I'll learn some humility real fast and become a generic elector in the Diet who will very nicely and very politely point out things that others don't want pointed out. :beam:

*edited to include a response to OK*

If you want to move a spare, the best would probably be the new von Dassel one in Swabia. Its a dead end line that isn't attached to other characters as family. Hummel and Hamburg both are part of established family lines with relatives.

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I say we give him an unclaimed Franconian or Swabian and transfer that avatar to Bavaria

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That's a big no no.
If we might solve things for now, but remember that there's only 1 married Franconian at this point. Sure others might marry, but nothing is sure for now.

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Originally Posted by Stig

That's a big no no.
If we might solve things for now, but remember that there's only 1 married Franconian at this point. Sure others might marry, but nothing is sure for now.

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Well, technically there are three married Franconians right now.

But I think the one that makes the most sense from a RP perspective to move is von Dassel. He's the kid of that old avatar no one ever picked. It would be easier to make up a story than it would with Helmut Hamburg or Jens Hummel who have families. Besides that there is the new spare that will go to Austria and the old guy who will die soon and clear room for a better avatar. I want to take this chance to say that adopting the old fart was a good idea on OK's part because it helps move the game's breeding mechanic along. Getting Hedewis married moves the mechanic down the line to the right. Which is why Jonas's daughter just got married.

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Well, technically there are three married Franconians right now

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No, Von Mahrens children are not Franconian, the old guy is almost dead, so only Dieter is married.

Battle Queue 1274

Lots and lots of battles this year, unfortunately Matthias will not be known as the "Peacemaker".

First come first serve, pay attention to the instructions given because some players have multiple battles. Post when you take and post a link when you upload.

Check for latest save.

Sigismund von Mahren - Completed (Stats pending)

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There are multiple Hungarian armies scattered in front of the AHA. You may attack them if you wish, but the year must end with you having enough men to seize Bran. Our spy there will be able to open the gates, and I want the Castle taken this year. The rest of the Magyar scum can be crushed once you have used their own arms and supplies to reinforce.

Wolfgang Hummel

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Your homecoming has taken a detour. I have sent you to Ajaccio to relieve the siege. Four units of dismounted Chivalric Knights form the Spanish Army. They could beat you and the garrison toe to toe, but if you use your advantage in cavalry and bowmen, victory will be yours. If you win, it will ease your reentry into the Diet, if you lose, and Ajaccio is taken, well I'd keep on sailing west.

Lothar Steffen

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I want the Spanish cleared from Sardinia, and I want the Spanish Prince dead. I suggest a night attack on the Prince, who has foolishly not united with his other forces. Cut off the head and the body will die. I will leave the specifics up to you.

Fritz von Kastilien

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You have assumed command of the Army of the Interior north of Magdeburg. There are rebels to your west. Disperse them.

Peter von Kastilien - Completed

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You have reassumed command of the Franconian Household Army. You have broken the siege of Thorn and pursued the Polish Nobles west. Finish them. After, if you wish, you can engage the Poles who are south of Thorn across the bridge. Do not lose control of that bridge however.

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No, Von Mahrens children are not Franconian, the old guy is almost dead, so only Dieter is married.

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Um, if you want to split hairs, married means married, not how many kids can come from it. Jonas is married. Wikerus is married. Dieter is married. That is three.

If your argument is that there is only one avatar that can give Franconia kids, then you might be right. Wikerus might still manage to relearn how to make sweet love again if we can find him some viagra. :laugh4:

I've asked Factionheir to provide Overknight with the files to allow recruitable generals. If it were the start of the PBM, I would be reluctant because it could unbalance things vs the AI and because the break with the family tree might disrupt the development of the Houses. But right now, I think an extra HRE general or two would not have a significant impact on the AI and the Houses have such strong identities that we don't need to stick too rigidly to the family tree (which we've already deviated from with moving the von Mahrens). In a way, allowing recruitable generals is just like going back to turn 1, where both Max and Dietrich von Saxony were not on the family tree. It also opens up some interesting role-playing possibilities - a self-man, of undistinguished birth.

I am not keen on modding birth rates or shifting more existing avatars to different Houses - neither solution seems as clean to me as recruitable generals.

Warmaster_Horus: I think you would be best off if you take a recruitable Bavarian general (if you don't want a Swabian or Austrian spare avatar). Please post here if you are willing to accept one and Overknight will make one once he gets the relevant files from Factionheir. Let's make the default position that the Chancellor will accept a Man of the Hour promotion for recruitable avatars - putting them on the family tree - unless the controlling player states in advance here that they don't want them. Such promotion could well move the player to another House, so it's a decision players should think about in advance and issue a veto if they want.

As will be apparent from the chronology of this discussion, we are not implementing recruitable generals just for Warmaster_Horus. There are a number of older players who have lost or will lose avatars who may want a recruitable general to enable them to stay in their preferred House. They should post here if they do and I'll set them up. They can always wait for a non-recruitable avatar, but at this stage in the game, I don't think we should require that.

@econ21

Once I get the files I'll see if I can implement. My own attempts at modding we're a failure. I reinstalled the game and everything is running smoothly again.

I believe FH had some questions about the parameters, how many florins to recruit the generals, what buildings to link them to. You might want to touch base with him.

This was the post:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=345

Thanks, OK. I am in touch with Factionheir. He is also modding upwards the birth and marriage rates, so Warmaster_Horus may take that into consideration when making his decision.

KOTRfix v1.27 is up with several new fixes.
The two new files include minor fixes to game mechanics including the marriage/birth rate adjustments and recruitable generals for HRE at normal price at huge cities.
Chancellor is advised to only recruit if requested and approved by the game master.

Also, as a word of caution on the new fix version, I raised the threshold for GoodCommander up to close to the vanilla threshold (it was about half of it before). This means many avatars will find themselves no longer Great commanders or Legendary commanders. They retain the bonus to command skill until they reach the next level though, so in general, it only means they stay at their old level longer and you won't actually notice any decrease in command.

Link: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/KOTRfix127.zip
Or just get it from my sig as usual.

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As for the MOTH, I believe it is possible to save at the time of getting it (at least I think it was possible in RTW) so we can possibly check which avatar it goes to. If that isn't possible, we can autoresolve the battle with auto_win first to get the MOTH and check where it goes and then let the player fight the battle manually, knowing which decision to make at the end.

I'll check out the new fix after I get some sleep. Have fun storming the castle!

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As for the MOTH, I believe it is possible to save at the time of getting it (at least I think it was possible in RTW) so we can possibly check which avatar it goes to. If that isn't possible, we can autoresolve the battle with auto_win first to get the MOTH and check where it goes and then let the player fight the battle manually, knowing which decision to make at the end.

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I tried that without success for Mandorf, though perhaps I did it wrong somehow:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...7&postcount=32

[edit]Err... I take that back. It seems I then figured out how to save, but I didn't say how to do it:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=151

My guess is that the 'MoH' popup window has to be minimized first, by clicking on the icon in the bottom left. Once it is minimized, you can hit Esc and save. If you hit Esc with any window still up, it closes the window.

Well, if we can do that, it solves our problems, right?

In that case, I will take a recruitable general, and once MOH comes up, make sure he's adopted by a Bavarian general.


And, yes, that decision is final, unless there are too many against it.

Econ made his ruling on the issue so I'm cool with it. He has proven adept at walking the fine line between keeping the game as pure as possible while making sure it is playable and fun, so I have come to trust his judgment on these issues.


I apologize if our debating about the issue at large, in any way made you feel unwelcome. Like econ said earlier, we were having this debate before you posted. You just happened to drop yourself in the middle of it. :laugh4:


By the way, Hi! and welcome to the game! :beam:

Is it just me or does anyone else think that the new Austrian avatar sounds more English than German?

well, were his name english, it would be edmund baker. becker is german for baker

Well to be completely correct Bäcker is german for Baker, but it's more or less pronounced Becker ~D

I can't really say the entire Kastillien family goes free in something like this. Kastillien is German for Castile

yeah, a peter von kastilien was the husband of queen urraca of castile lol

That reminds me, I was looking up where all these 'vons' were from. We all know where Hamburg is, and Stig just explained that the von Kastilien family is 'of Castille'. I know Mahren is a region in the Czech Republic east of Bohemia. Salza is a tributary, as far as I know. And Kassel is a city in Germany.

Anyways, I'm taking the save.

I'll need to fight this tomorrow (reserve duty weekends for, err, about eight years lol) but assuming that's ok, Fritz is ready!

uhh... peter has no movement points OK. cant fight any battles

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In that case, I will take a recruitable general, and once MOH comes up, make sure he's adopted by a Bavarian general.

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Sounds good. Where do you want him spawned? We could recruit him anywhere with huge walls. Without looking at the save, I'd say Rome might be a useful place to have a general (with Sicily just starting a war with us).

You probably should try to fight lots of battles to get a MoH promotion. Maybe the Chancellor could try the Lothar Steffen road to glory path and give you command of a small force before you are knighted?

Battle fought and won. Here's the save.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1274-1.zip

Rome would be fine, thanks!

hmm - i couldnt recruit any generals when i tried to.

what is everyone's target when they use the switch for the mod?

I can't seem to recruit the bodyguards. They show up in the description of the Huge Walls, but they are not available in the recruitment screen.

Here's a picture:

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https://i207.photobucket.com/albums/...slain/rome.jpg

Is anyone else able to recruit or run into the same problem?

Edit: That's bad news about Sigismund Cecil XIX. Very shocking.

i cant recruit, i didnt check the stone walls descr thingy

perhaps if we get 'er workin, cecil can invent a new general in budapest.

Well, there is an Austrian avatar ready to go. I can understand creating generals so people can play, but do we have to create them just so we get favorable strategic situations?

i dont like creating generals out of nowhere to just help out battles, but i'd hate for cecil to have to miss out.

Surely Cecil can just take the new Austrian avatar. He's decent and not old at all.

https://i207.photobucket.com/albums/...ain/edmund.jpg

It's also rather amazing how much more lethal KOTR is than WOTS. Whenever anyone questions whether M2TW is really any harder than RTW, they need to compare the Senate and Imperial Mausoleums.

WOW... Jonas sees all his sons to the grave... Kage should write a good story on that... :D

i thought there was a story way back that said the 4 von mahrens were all leopold's? or at least sigismund.

I think only Sigismund was Leopold's.

As far as I know, we're going by this:

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*Charter Amendment 9.2: Add to article 1.1:
In view of exceptional circumstances, the von Mahren family is allowed to join the House of Austria.

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So, Becker is Austrian. The way I read the stories, is that Leopold was "visiting" von Mahren's wife the whole time Jonas was away. So, all the kids are Leopolds. Just my interpretation.

And I would really like to avoid recruiting generals just to avoid strategic setbacks.

*edit*

Also, what do people think of a house rule where generals can only be recruited in Rome or the capital of the house they want to join? As far as I can tell, this is to be used to balance out the houses, not benefit us strategically. We're already pawning the AI in so many other ways.

*edit 2*

(Sorry SC, I was editing this before I saw your new post)

How about each house should only spawn generals from their house capital, maybe need to designate?

whoops! i can fight my battle lol i didnt see the guy RIGHT NEXT TO ME. i got the save

Anyone in the mood for some Queen?

Huh? :inquisitive:

done! i got the prebattle, postbattle, and prisoner screenies. i cant get to them now, 123pichosting isnt working. but i can give u the stats via TYPING!

10* Peter the Merciless v. 2* Niebor of Kalisz, Peter night attacks.

Deployed: 1506 v. 271
Lost: 278 v. 241
Remaining: 1228 v. 30
Killed: 207(27) v. 324(0)

CLEAR VICTORY

Prisoners Executed:

Niebor of Kalisz, Family Member, 20 Polish Nobles, and 6 General's Bodyguards, for a total value of 1762 Florins.

Péter the Merciless moves the FHA to Thorn Bridge, poised to attack (next turn).

uff forgot how to post the link again! the save is

kotr1274-2.zip

Ba ba BUM BUM BUM... Another one bites the Dust...

Sorry, I'm in that kind of mood.

-edit- Nice job, gibson. :yes:

SO YOU THINK YOU CAN STONE ME AND SPIT IN ME EYE!!!!

Actually, GH, i think salier wouldnt mind getting stoned :P

thanks

btw im 6 dread now, cuz i got upgraded to merciless mauler.