Out of character thread XIX

That's one of my favorite changes in Broken Crescent. I have never captured a city that had only a single unit garrison. In fact, the very turn you go to war the AI trains spies and assassins in cities behind the front lines, often kicking out or killing your own spies. It's quite entertaining.

Not that there aren't still flaws. My next target, being reluctant to risk his alliance with my vassals, ignored my armies moving into his territory, and I was able to make a lightning strike against five of his cities and castles. But he was hiring men in them, so they had substantial garrisons at least!

Of course my former vassal is also heavily under siege, but I'm in the endgame so it doesn't matter if my reputation is deceitful.

:egypt:

Then there are those cities with garrison scripts, a pretty scary thing when you're the dirt poor Makurians first going after the Ayyubians. :sweatdrop:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by OverKnight

On another note, I am amazed at Tristan's grand raid through France. Two cities taken with just his bodyguard. :dizzy2: Now that's vengeance.

---

Anybody could have done it but I thought that for RP reasons I would jump the gun ...

Of course the AI helped a lot ... "I love the French fools" :laugh4:...

Now on to somemore mischief, if possible...

[EDIT] Just to let you know that I won't be able to come back online before Sunday around 5 PM GMT+1

Ramses, should if any of the large armies around Hugo engage him, please withdraw... He'll fight another day...

Ramses,

Do we have a save to take a look at or are you getting the start of 1366 sorted out?

Yes, the save is up in the O&R thread now. Sorry, I was trying to do all that and figure out a pair of birthday parties we're supposed to attend today for my daughter.

...and then the most interesting story pops up in that thread too. :juggle2:

edit: Oh, and to cover your other question, I think the Hungarins are under the control of the AI, and act like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off. I suspect if I hadn't moved to hire mercs at Vienna that they wouldn't have even made a move there. Zagreb is effectively unguarded. I can't predict how long the Venetians will hang out at Durazzo though, so I'd start back south soon-ish.

:egypt:

Good read TC, keep it coming.

FH.

Should we have all moved to 13a of the fix?

-edit-

I'm going to take the save Sunday, slap Zagreb back into the Reich and then hopefully pound one of those Hungarian stacks.

FH, I've moved to 13a so never mind my question.

My full battle report is up.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=256

If Matthias seems a bit cold-hearted in this one, he got the Merciless Mauler trait from the battle.

So it's Matthias the Mighty, Merciless Mauler.

Try saying that three times fast. :laugh4:

Matthias, Mi, MMmm MMmm,mmm

Matthias, the Mimm M mmmimm MMm

Crap!! :clown:

Hehe I love that outburst in the diet AG!

Sadly one cannot control which epithet one gets except by one's actions. I was thinking of reducing the number of epithets there are to make names change less frequently. That would also result in more characters never getting any epithet though, so I didn't.

I figure Mauler or Merciless fits Arnold best. Infantryman sounds rather cheeky. When I did 1.3a, I was thinking what I could replace Infantryman with. Never got around to doing it though, it is still its vanilla form: Infantryman. Actually sounds like you are one of the lowly individuals rather than the commander though. If you got a suggestion, I might incorporate it.

I rather like the title 'Infantryman'. It's meant to imply that you're a man of the people (or the mob, as it were) anyway, so it makes sense it would sound somewhat lowly.

I must confess, this complaining about epithets makes no sense to me. But then, I've yet to get one. :shame:

Tristan and FH have some fun battles. Yeah, river/bridge defenses are cheesy, but when you're as badly outnumbered as we have been in Swabia you have to take what you can get. I thought Tristan's battle was especially fun, with burning boulders and cannon shot flying all around as the French Lancers lined up to attack the ranks of Flemish Pikemen. I recommend it to anyone who has time to play it out.

Between FH and Ruppel's physician I'm not sure anything is going to slow him down. I had a staggering number of men heal after that battle, and I just played it, didn't arrange my men or anything beforehand, so my losses were pretty high.

Anyway, check the Diet thread. I'm getting a head start on something important for the next offensive season.

:egypt:

Ah bridge battles, where would I be without them?

It does kind of suck when the enemy has long range archers or artillery, the men at the mouth of the bridge are in range. Nasty.

Interesting proposal for the Crusade. I'm a bit fried so won't be doing anything IC yet, but it would be an interesting wrinkle.

How old is the Pope?

That's one of the things I always look at, it wouldn't do if he kicked it in the middle of the Crusade and France was reconciled.

Oh he's remarkably young if I remember right (Can't check at the moment). 49 I think. Not a risk. :beam:

:egypt:

I hope y'all like the new direction von Salza is going in; I won't tell you my plans but seeing with the limitations as of now I hope it to be somewhat 'strange'. The Story I'll post later will explain a bit.

FH, the name changes are fine. If we didn't have them then I couldn't have jumped on the topic and fleshed it out as I did with Arnold.

He's got more traits than I can believe when it comes to speaking and being a personality in my minds eye.

Leave them in, you can imagine the "carry on" if he gets a another one. :beam:

It was an IC thing rather than a proper complaint...Cecil.

...I'm just stunned that the Diet continued on without a moments thought towards Arnold and his outburst...it seems I've played him to such an extent that everyone is desensitised :shame:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AussieGiant

...I'm just stunned that the Diet continued on without a moments thought towards Arnold and his outburst...it seems I've played him to such an extent that everyone is desensitised :shame:

---

I'd say its because everyone agrees with you. (I am assuming you mean the latest post in the DIet thread?) A Crusade will be interesting in France. It will be similar to the Crusade all the way back at the start except this time no long hike; its at the doorstep.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Warluster

I'd say its because everyone agrees with you. (I am assuming you mean the latest post in the DIet thread?) A Crusade will be interesting in France. It will be similar to the Crusade all the way back at the start except this time no long hike; its at the doorstep.

---

WL I'm talking about his Diet post about all the name changes :yes:

Ramses, when do you expect me to fight the battle at Antwerp ?

[EDIT]

Tincow and Econ21, what a fantastic story... I can't wait to see how things will unravel from here on...

FH has to fight first Tristan, then you're up. I'll send you a PM with the save.

:egypt:

After I fight mine.
That will be in approx 4 or 5 hours from now when I'm home. Oh, and add another hour or two for the actual fighting, screenshotting and uploading.

I have a feeling Lothar will eventually be exposed, but he will die of natural causes first.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by FactionHeir

After I fight mine.
That will be in approx 4 or 5 hours from now when I'm home. Oh, and add another hour or two for the actual fighting, screenshotting and uploading.

---

That would mean around 10 PM for me... Won't be able to fight it tonight then...

I should be able to fight it around noon tomorrow... Is that OK ? or too late ?

Tomorrow is fine Tristan, 48 hours are allowed for defensive battles IIRC. You'll be in plenty of time.

I'm somewhat at a loss for what to do with the other situation (Per stories thread). As I've already begun with something that may technically have been supposed to wait for the offensive season (Pierus' Crusade suggestion) I'm going to go ahead and post my reaction to the story and private note in the Diet thread.

:egypt:

Thanks... I'm looking forward to that fight (would have like to have one more cav though...)

Never used pikes in game... would someone point me to the best way to use them ?

I've read threads on the matter but I need a crash course...

The problem with pikes is that they switch to their secondary weapons, which are useless, all too quickly. The solution is to line them up so that their pikes poke through each other, which is to say spread the companies as thinly as possible and place them as close behind each other as possible. You have some spearmen too, who can be spread thinly in front of the front rank of pikes, to offer them some opportunity to use their pikes while the spearmen die.

I fought the battle, so I'm trying to avoid spoilers, but one FYI you would know as commander on the ground; your reinforcements are entering from a goodly distance away. Turn off spearwall for any who have it on and make them run, or they won't arrive in time to help.

There is also a 'pike trick' where you manipulate their spearwall and guard to make them stick with their pikes, but though I've read about it I've never really used it to great effect.

I didn't think you'd need the merc. cavalry for a bridge battle, but you do have a ribault. :2thumbsup:

:egypt:

I'll see what I can do...

I prefer mobility in general but I'll see what I can do with what is at hand..

I skipped the boring practical and should be able to fight in a few minutes. Taking the save.

Nice post in the Diet, Ramses...

I just love how all this is turning out...

It is a pretty stunning turn of events for me. Fritz was really getting results as Chancellor, though our ranks of players are a bit thin. TC is pretty much the only commander in Bavaria, though, and if what Gibson sent me is true it seems like quite a few of our most active players are going to be on the, heh, 'wrong' side of this thing. I have no idea how it's going to work, or if the Reich can survive.

:egypt:

I couldn't jump in before the Cataclysm due to OOC reasons, now it seems I will be present in what might be even more devastating....

Erm it might take me another hour or two. It seems my M2TW install is broken after I ran a few network fixing apps yesterday and ran a reg cleaner afterwards. Will need to reinstall.

Why did all of this have to happen right before I go on vacation?!

Everything is going all pear-shaped and I'll be away.

Thanks for ruining my holiday, TC and econ21. :laugh4:

When will you be gone OK? I'm hoping we can lure some of the inactive players back with this thing, so a delay of a week or so to 'hype' the situation would help, you may be back in time.

Feb 20th to the 28th. I did post about it some time ago.

Ah, now this feels like KotR proper.

I wish I knew about gibson's post while I was writing my response though. :laugh4:

Just by way of an FYI, when Gibson told me he was on reserve duty I removed him from command of the army near the Byzantines and moved him to 'safety' in Bologna. And, as matters would have it, I gave command of that army to the only active commander in Bavaria, Duke Lothar Steffen.

I don't know what effect that will have on plans, but it was a sound strategic decision and as Chancellor I had to make it. :oops:

:egypt:

The army isn't loyal to Lothar, it's loyal to the Reich. Perhaps the accusations would make most, if not all of them, return safe to their loving Kaiser.

Any bastard solider not following my direct command in my presence better have a fast horse...that's all I'll say.

Yeah, that's true. I would imagine Lothar's fearmongering would keep a substantial quantity of them to stay.

Or, they came to Lothar as commissioned by Fritz, why not come back as commissioned by Fritz? Perhaps that's where the true loyalties lie. :smile:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921

Yeah, that's true. I would imagine Lothar's fearmongering would keep a substantial quantity of them to stay.

Or, they came to Lothar as commissioned by Fritz, why not come back as commissioned by Fritz? Perhaps that's where the true loyalties lie. :smile:

---

Absolutely, there is a decision to make, but "being present" will count for a lot in this situation.

Anyway...I just realised that at the mid point of this game it always felt like what we have in the Diet right now.

That's what I have reailsed we have missed.

Looks like things are getting interesting again. Good thing too, it's been boring having us all working together and fighting the enemy. I hope all these super-stacks doesn't discourage anyone from letting this play out.

Heh, if the powers that be were looking for the right trigger to get the Chancellor to set aside the Reich's welfare, they found it. Fritz has spoken too heatedly about Siegfried to let this pass.

I mitigated though and stepped back in the Diet. If we're all in favor of the Crusade, then I'll have Fritz put his trust in Peter and push the French Crusade forward during the 'trial' or whatever after the defensive season.

:egypt:

Anyone care to say boatride yet? :grin:

Adjourning a session usually results in things not getting done. Things moving on during the succession dispute played out in Siegfried's favor for instance.

Ramses,

To answer your suggestion in the Orders thread, Is it ok if I save the game on the victory screen ?

That would be fine with me if it's possible (Or the ransom/release screen), but also there are a lot of countries that go after France. You'll have plenty of time afterward to save.

:egypt:

You can't save the game on the victory screen unless you are autoresolving.

You can finish the battle and then press escape immediately. That works.

With the recent stories, there is again a real possibility of PvP battles between players.

To keep things simple, I propose the following mechanics.

1. A player may declare hostilities against another player. When this happens, BOTH players become “PvP flagged”.

2. PvP flagged characters are moved strictly according to the relevant player’s instructions. The moves will be implemented by econ21, not the Chancellor. They may not detach units or command more than a maximum 20 units in their own stack.

3. econ21 will be neutral in any PvP matters and will resolve any PvP encounters . (Welf von Luxemburg will not be a party to any PvP conflicts.)

4. Each character will have access to a feudal levy that will fight by their side in PvP battles. Details of the feudal levies will be provide shortly but will be similar to those previously assigned. Only these forces can be trusted to fight loyally. These levies will not be represented on the strategic map, but will be deployed in PvP battles.

5. Other forces under character’s command may also participate in battles, but their loyalty will be questionable - some may desert or even defect to the opposition.

6. PvP flagged characters may order recruitment from settlements they control, where control will be established either de jure or de facto. But these forces will also be of questionable loyalty.

7. Character movement will be constrained by the game engine as normal with one exception. PvP characters may freely be teleported once per turn to be adjacent to an allied PvP character. They may not bring any troops with them, except their feudal levies.

8. A general principle is that PvP battles will be set up so as to be relatively “fair” and also decisive. Strategic and political manoeuvring (ie bringing bigger stacks and more allies) will provide slight advantages. But some balancing gerrymandering by the referee can be expected so that the battles are not forgone conclusions. The battle of Bern provides an example of the kind of balanced and decisive encounter that is desired.

9. PvP battles will be resolved either through the "table top" style used previously or, if all participants agree, through multiplayer contests. Very uneven contests may be resolved by econ21 without recourse to these more time consuming methods (think "autoresolve").

If people have any comments, criticisms, questions, counter-proposals, fire away.

What about the Crusade? The topic has had little discussion in the Diet thread due to the other erupting events, but what discussion there has been is positive. It seems like a logical extension of the current situation. And, of course, it would give Welf something to do while the rest of us kill each other.

It introduces quite a complicating factor if a general on crusade wishes to get involved in this PvP stuff, and the Kaiser has requested to join the crusade.

While you're here Econ, I think the Danish stack near Arhus is broken. I've tried shifting armies around there and I can't get them to move, but it's time for Fritz to become untied from Arhus. Can we ship the Danes off the island where they're stuck and put them north of Arhus to let them lay siege, or something? Otherwise Fritz may just buy some more boats and laugh all the way to Stockholm. :laugh4:

:egypt:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ramses II CP

What about the Crusade?

---

In fact, I can't wait for it to be called...:charge:

I'm confused, the Emergency Diet session is over?

Gah?

Ummmmm, the Kaiser just accused a Duke of treason, tried to pass legislation allowing him to strip anyone he deemed treasonous of their title and commands to be replaced with people of his own choosing, gave himself the power to lead a house army, and now proclaims he will be leading that army with the man accused of treason as his second.

At the same time the Duke in question tore down the Kaiser's brother and accused the Kaiser of past treachery while calling his competence into question.

But now that's just water under the bridge?

Barring the facts involved, this is the latest occurence in the Kaiser versus Dukes balance of power game. Yet, we're just supposed to continue on while this bombshell gets passed onto a committee?

I'd love to wade into this, but I'm leaving in a few days. Bad timing, but maybe it's for the best that Matt stays out of this.

Gah!

Yeah, it was kind of unlikely.

Think of it this way. Out of huge anger and typical Péter dread and authority, he called a Diet session. Out of a typical Péter quick change of heart due to the persuasion of comrades, he ended the Diet session until the evidence could be brought forward so the Reich would not be imperiled. Ya dig?

I think maybe what Peter meant in calling for adjournment is that now that he has a second, he wants to put his measures to a vote?

:egypt:

Nah, I called for adjournment before I saw EF's post. Plus, ya need 2 seconders. Meh - once the investigation's over, we'll have a real Diet session.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ramses II CP

What about the Crusade? The topic has had little discussion in the Diet thread due to the other erupting events, but what discussion there has been is positive. It seems like a logical extension of the current situation. And, of course, it would give Welf something to do while the rest of us kill each other.

---

Absolutely. :laugh4:

We do have two relevant clauses in the Charter:

Quote:

---

7.2 Crusades must be authorised by the Diet, unless announced by another faction.

7.3 When a crusade is called, the Chancellor must ask all generals if they wish to join. He must include at least three volunteers who reply within 48 hours. If there are more than three, he must pick the three most pious. However, he can decline a volunteer if that would usurp his pick of army commander. If the AI calls a crusade, the Chancellor can choose not to follow it, even if generals wish to join - but he must still notify them immediately of the call and get their view on whether they would like to join (were he to follow the call).

---

To satisfy 7.2, you could just start a yes/no poll for KotR players. Welf would definitely volunteer.

Quote:

---

While you're here Econ, I think the Danish stack near Arhus is broken. I've tried shifting armies around there and I can't get them to move, but it's time for Fritz to become untied from Arhus. Can we ship the Danes off the island where they're stuck and put them north of Arhus to let them lay siege, or something?

---

OK, I'll teleport it at the start of our turn.

EDIT: On the PvP mechanics - if people are happy with them in general terms, any player who wants to start hostilities against other player can do so by making an OOC (or IC) declaration in the Orders thread.

I think it would be best if Peter's Imperials and Lothar's Bavarians were divided up from what is, apparently, a combined force. I honestly haven't been keeping track of where these units come from for a long time. I load up the game, fight my battles, and am done with it. I have no idea what would properly be loyal to me IC, and that's making the current situation a bit confusing.

Man, I wish Peter's mortal enemy wasn't RPed by an effing legend.

I know which forces came from where with what intent and I can do the split at the start of the turn... however, I'd like some kind of ruling/resolution to the claim of custody and the CAs on the Kaiser's part. Kaiser Peter's forces are the smaller part of the army, but they're all quality cavalry because he was clearly in a hurry to head south.

Obviously I won't be taking any action until there's a clear, agreed upon path, even if it takes awhile to sort out. That's okay really, Tristan's not fighting his battle for maybe 12+ more hours and though there shouldn't be another defensive battle, there will be plenty for me to do just calling up the reports. I won't be in any hurry this time. :beam:

:egypt:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TinCow

I think it would be best if Peter's Imperials and Lothar's Bavarians were divided up from what is, apparently, a combined force. I honestly haven't been keeping track of where these units come from for a long time. I load up the game, fight my battles, and am done with it. I have no idea what would properly be loyal to me IC, and that's making the current situation a bit confusing.

---

From the latest save, Lothar is commanding what is surely the strongest army in the Reich but the Kaiser is nearby. In the event of hostilities, the units in the army will each take some kind of loyalty test. You would be looking at something like rolling a dice with 1-2=Lothar 3-4=neutral (desert) 5-6=Peter. (I suspect the army is predominantly Bavarian, but the Kaiser is the Kaiser.) Any Imperials will fight for Peter. The division will only be made if one player tries to force the issue - e.g. if Peter tries to take command of the army or Lothar tries to use it against Peter.

Similar tests will apply to other existing stacks of troops - perhaps with a +/-1 modifier in favour of the de facto or de jure commander. The tests will be made when the commander becomes PvP. The +/-1 modifier puts some potential advantage in the hands of the Chancellor, as he can transfer troops away from suspect generals. In fairness, I think he should give advance notice of this - e.g. 24 hours - so that the affected generals have the chance to flag themselves as PvP and try to maintain their command (and indeed increase it, by recruiting from their settlements).

Well, since nobody got a heads up this first season I think in the interests of fairness I need to refrain from stripping anyone of their command, unless the Kaiser is, in fact, in custody of Lothar or some other action happens on the side. This would reflect the fact that all of this took the Chancellor very much by surprise, and any letters and orders were issued during this season rather than ahead of it.

My intent is to redistribute the forces so that the men I meant for the Kaiser move into his stack, and the men that were with Lothar at Florence become his army, unless that is superceded by action in posts. Lothar got those men so he could crush the Byzantines without placing Peter, who is on reserve duty, at risk.

So for this offensive season, such as it will be, no noble will be stripped of his command by the Chancellor. This also gives the Crusade a chance to develop and draw followers, and have larger implications.

Next year Lothar and anyone else I find reason to hold suspect will face the full wrath of the Chancellor. Do not be surprised if you oppose Fritz but do not wish to declare your intent to find yourself stripped of your men. I won't deliberately order anyone into danger, but neither will I order them out of it's path (This is to reflect that no one is loyal enough to do the incredibly stupid, but everyone may lack the information at the Chancellor's disposal).

:egypt:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by OverKnight

I'm confused, the Emergency Diet session is over?

Gah?

Ummmmm, the Kaiser just accused a Duke of treason, tried to pass legislation allowing him to strip anyone he deemed treasonous of their title and commands to be replaced with people of his own choosing, gave himself the power to lead a house army, and now proclaims he will be leading that army with the man accused of treason as his second.

At the same time the Duke in question tore down the Kaiser's brother and accused the Kaiser of past treachery while calling his competence into question.

But now that's just water under the bridge?

Barring the facts involved, this is the latest occurence in the Kaiser versus Dukes balance of power game. Yet, we're just supposed to continue on while this bombshell gets passed onto a committee?

I'd love to wade into this, but I'm leaving in a few days. Bad timing, but maybe it's for the best that Matt stays out of this.

Gah!

---

I've also raised my eyebrows at a few comments...:laugh4:

It's really kicking off nicely. :2thumbsup:

Interesting seeing all of that stuff happen while I was asleep last night. :dizzy2:

Nice to see that the Catclysm and rather deadly Chancellorship afterwards having sated the KOTR characters' desire to kill eachother. :clown:

Evening chaps,

Just a question as to whether I can go on the offensive Friday night GMT +1 and spank those Hungarian's sieging Zagreb.

Will this break the offensive season timing by too far or not?

Given all the action and options, it seems like a good idea to me to extend the offensive season. Any objections? I'm writing it into the report now.

:egypt:

fine by me, can I just ask if Breslau is ours now? I haven;t had time to check the same recently but saw it on a screenshot I think, if so I'll go for Stettin instead.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ramses II CP

Given all the action and options, it seems like a good idea to me to extend the offensive season.

---

No problem. The 24 hour window was never meant as a maximum period for offensive action. Rather it was more a minimum period. The idea was the Chancellor would do nothing for the first 24 hours at the start of a turn, so other players could catch up with events and request moves before the Chancellor moved on. Fitting in some offensive battles was just to stop it being dead time from the point of view of game progression.

Excellent. Friday it is then.

Love the Crusade bickering...this is great. :egypt:

Ah yes, it reminds me of the days of Hans trying to catch up with the other crusaders and all the bickering :grin:

Being a late comer to the game, I'm just trying to find my place and my "voice" thus a bit of bickering doesn't hurt

One question, will the crusade ends if the french king is killed in Caen? This will result in the French being reconciled with the Pope if I am correct, right?

Hmmm that is actually a distinct possibility.

Battle report for the capture of Reims is up...

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=255

Hope you'll like it... :yes:


[EDIT] btw... Wouldn't it be better to open a new Battle report thread ? With the number of screens in it, it takes forever to open... Which sometimes acts for me as a deterrent to edit my posts...

Opening a new thread might be a good idea.

Also, you can access your battle reports from the history, if I remembered to include them. They are in a single post format, so you wouldn't have to wait for other's people's pics to load before you can edit.

Also, you can go into into the User CP, go under Options and reduce how many posts you view on each page. You'd still have to load the pics, but it would be in smaller chunks.

If the Crusade ends that way, would it count as a victory for the Reich? I don't recall ever having that happen in a game before.

... I guess I should just go test it, eh?

And what would happen if the French King were captured?

Anyway, I wouldn't restrain yourself on the basis of preserving the crusade. We can get as many of the now paltry crusade mercs as we'd like first and then hit the King.

:egypt:

I'm leaving for the airport in about an hour, and then I'll be on my way to London. I'll be back home the night of Thursday Feb 28.

I think I've covered all my bases for KotR regarding my absence. The only exception will be that the history will not be updated.

Have fun storming the Castle everyone. Try to keep the Reich in one piece until I get back.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ramses II CP

Anyway, I wouldn't restrain yourself on the basis of preserving the crusade. We can get as many of the now paltry crusade mercs as we'd like first and then hit the King.

---

I'm not sure I agree. Successfully completing a crusade provides big (chivalry oriented) boosts to a general's stats. In the past, we tried to to get as many generals in on the final assault as possible to maximise those gains. It would be a shame to lose those just because we can't wait a turn to kill the French king.

I think we are past the time period when crusading gives you interesting crusade mercs. The main benefits left are stats boosts, faster movement and Papal approval.

Also I believe the cancellation of a crusade will just result in a cancel mission and thus not a successful mission. So you won't gain any good traits or rewards from the pope.

That was my question actually. If it's a cancellation, we should clearly wait, as, if nothing else, stories of the prestige gained from the crusade would be much more interesting. I can't test it until tonight.

:egypt:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by StoneCold

Also I believe the cancellation of a crusade will just result in a cancel mission and thus not a successful mission. So you won't gain any good traits or rewards from the pope.

---

That's the point I was trying to make. However, just looking at the save, I am not sure the issue is relevant to us right now. It looks like de Cervole is not able to take Caen this turn, but Ruppel could take Angiers next turn. So, we should be able to successfully complete the crusade before taking down the French king.

The issue would be relevant if we want to wait longer to complete the crusade. However, with the absence of crusading mercs, I am not sure what the benefit of delay would be. Perhaps if GH wants Ruppel to wait for him to arrive at Angiers, so his avatar can go down the chivalrous path? I certainly would like Welf to be in on the storming of Angiers.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tristan

btw... Wouldn't it be better to open a new Battle report thread ? With the number of screens in it, it takes forever to open... Which sometimes acts for me as a deterrent to edit my posts...

---

I am not sure opening a new thread would solve much. I think it is the number of images per page that causes the big delay in opening it. We should try to keep the number of images per page down, perhaps by splitting up battle reports into multiple posts. The default 30 posts per page. If we have 30 battles with lots of screenshots per page, it will create a lot of slowdown. 10 battles, each in three parts, per page would be more managebale.

The only mercs available in the current period are pilgrims and flagellants I think, and the occassional fanatic and unhorsed knight over at Outremer. Crusading isn't what it used to be.

Hopefully Ramses will have arranged the save that Ruppel is siegeing Angers rather than standing next to it so we can complete it next turn with Tristan and econ in my stack if Ruppel isn't driven off by the bronze and silver stack there. His army is already heavily battered and half his army is pilgrims and militia.

I realise I forgot to try to teleport the Danish general, sorry. However, I gather he is a Prince, which makes it rather tricky. I think we need to know his original (pre-Prince) name before the console command will work. It may be rather painstaking to dig back into past saves and use spies to uncover that info. Perhaps we could leave him for a turn or two? (I'll be buffing up armies next turn so will have a try then.)