Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

I think we should look at the kill summaries at bit more in depth, there might be some clues to the identities of people.
Beefy

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Beefy187 had kept his evening fairly low-key. After the selection meeting, he’d gone to his office, finished up a little paperwork and then headed to a corner “tappy” for a beer. After wetting his whistle, he walked back out into the muggy dark, turned the corner, and began the 3-block walk to his apartment.

He got about 20 feet, just approaching the trapdoors to the tappy’s cellar when two cars whipped up to the curb at his side, only feet away. Out popped 4 men in dark trench coats, with their soft-brimmed hats low over their faces and their hands cradling PPSh41’s. The Russian “burp gun” was a brutal looking weapon and all 4 were pointing at him as the gunmen pulled back the bolts and made ready to fire. Beefy was stunned, too scared to run, and hadn’t even begun to mutter a final prayer when…

<<click.>> <<click.>> <<click.>> <<click.>>

All four of the brutally simple and thoroughly reliable weapons failed to fire. The gunmen were stunned – the odds of all four weapons failing to fire defied description! Beefy began to move at last, scrambling to pull open the cellar door to the tappy and make an escape. The gunman cleared the bolts and quickly rammed fresh magazines into their weapons as Beefy opened the hatch and stepped onto the ladder to the cellar.

<<click.>> <<click.>> <<click.>> <<click.>>

Stunningly, all 4 freshly-loaded weapons jammed and failed to fire again. The gunmen were shocked with disbelief. No one could have tampered with the weapons and all of the ammo had been checked by hand and meticulously loaded into the clips – yet none of the weapons got off a round.

Beefy wasted no time dropping into the cellar and running pell-mell up to the bar with it’s barkeeper’s shotgun and plenty of witnesses. As he reached the tap-room, he heard the squeal of cars making a fast exit from the scene. Beefy’s pulse would slow down eventually, but he managed a few prayers at last as well as a few brews to steady his jangled nerves. He decided to go to an all-night café after the tappy closed. Alone didn’t seem to be such a good idea.

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This to me, sounds like Beefy is at least a pro-town role. Given the fact that he was keeping low-key, it sounds to me like he has a pretty special role though. I do not know what it is, but it sounds powerful given the fact he survived an atttack by four people.(Mafia? or Vigilantes?)

As to Drisos

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Drisos didn’t mind operating alone. He preferred it. He would work with others as needed , of course, but he was aware that the only person upon whom you could rely completely was yourself. Now he completed engaging the elaborate sequence of locks and alarms he used to secure his top-floor studio apartment. No one could hope to get through the doors or windows without making enough noise to wake the dead – and Drisos would be ready.
But he wasn’t ready when he awoke, his limbs tied to the posts of his bed and something covering his eyes.

"Hi Drisos", a voice with an Asian accent [false?] said.

"What's the problem pal?" said another voice. “You aren’t exactly gracious to guests with all your traps and stuff.”

The “Asian” chuckled, "Rook at him. He tinks he's sho cool!"

"I'm not afraid of you!" Drisos said, mustering up whatever defiance he could.

"You probabry sho cool that when you go to sreep, the sheep start to count you..."

The “Asian” guy and his partner laughed.

"Untie me you punks!” Drisos shouted.

The heavily silenced Type 14 Nambu pistol put a neat hole directly between Drisos’ eyes. He was dead before his ears could register the heavy coughing sound they had just heard.

“Sayonara, Drisos.”

The killer’s partner carefully lifted the small pink ballet slippers that had been used to cover Drisos’ eyes. The slippers were placed carefully in “1st position” just above the entry wound.

The killers made their escape the way that had come in, through the skylight. Though wired with a breakage alarm, Drisos had not expected someone to have had the roof around the skylight sawn open and hinges installed so as to turn the skylight into a trap door – all without interrupting the alarm circuit. Drisos was found the next morning when he did not answer his page for the meeting. Fermanagh’s “crack” investigators never discovered the recently re-tarred seams around the skylight.

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Now, why is Drisos so suspicous of people breaking into his home? This could mean that he is either a wise guy type person, or be some other special role. Either way, I do not think that is 100% pro-town. It does not matter a whole lot now that he is dead, but It is worth thinking about it at least.

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Glenn had always been a bit excitable, and with the prospect of having to vote to lynch somebody, his heart was racing and he had trouble staying still. <<I need a bracer, just to calm my nerves a bit,>> he thought, and began to walk up the street towards the Hotel Abbatoir and Fatlington’s poshest bar.

His walk there was anything but relaxing, with Glenn spinning at every stray sound or voice that seemed out of place. Finally, he was steps away from the hotel’s entrance when four dark figures stood up from the expensively landscaped bushes surrounding the hotel’s small entryway garden and flagpole – and all of them had tommy guns.

In the second before the gunmen opened fire, a nearby street pretzel vendor made two quick steps toward Glenn, lifted him bodily and flung him into the open bin of the pretzel cart. The gunman paused a moment, stunned by this unexpected event, as the carter slammed the cart’s lid shut and started rolling the cart toward the hotel doors. Then they opened fire.

Round after round from their submachine guns slammed into the cart but the cart was apparently both motorized and heavily armored and rolled itself through the doors of the Abbatoir and directly into the bar where it crashed up against the bar itself. The doorman was badly wounded as he accidentally came under fire from the gunmen as they kept tracking the cart with their weapons ratcheting out rounds. None of them focused any rounds on the carter, however, who took the opportunity to dropp into the driver’s seat of a cab waiting at the hotel front and speed off. With sirens blaring and witnesses beginning to look at the racket, the gunmen gave up their efforts and faded back into the sweltering darkness.

It took a bit of effort to extract a stunned Glenn from cart, stained with mustard and freshly rolled in salt, but Glenn was alive and more-or-less well because someone -- or several? – had been there to help. He never did get that drink.

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Now, several of you people have been accusing Glenn of being a mafia don. This is not a baseless accusation, but from the description of things, it is pretty obvious that more than just one person was protecting him. Now, barring the unlikley event that both his luca and a protecion group were protecting him, I think it is just a protection group. But what I do not really get is why someone would try and protect Glenn? He has proven to be one of the most suspicious of the entire game, so why protect him?

Xdeathfire

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Xdeathfire was having a quiet drink at an all-night coffee shop – he always claimed that the caffeine helped him sleep – when a trench-coated individual, face invisible below his hat, walked in and leveled a shotgun at Xdeathfire. Xdeathfire was up and moving for the back of the café before he’d even consciously thought about it. The first blast hit the booth where Xdeathfire had just been sitting, only a couple of pellets grazing his arm as he moved. The second blast caught the surprised busboy in the stomach as Xdeathfire headed toward the back exit. There was nobody waiting at the back exit, and Xdeathfire was moving quickly toward the police precinct house in the next block.

The gunman, realizing that things were not going according to plan, made a quick exit, dropping the shotgun in the drain. Nobody got a good look at the shooter.

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I don't really know anything about this. It is likely that is is a serial killer, though it could be a vigilante group that only had one person try and kill someone(I think the description would have been differant though). A better question would be how did Xdeathfire escape from this death?

... Wow..

I had very great fears of being murdered for my venture into the spotlight during the day - warmly cushioned by Sasaki.

Now Sasaki had really pushed for this, and Ichigo had gone along with whatever Sasaki had proposed regardless.

I obviously have been mistaken for someone's arch enemy here, or I just happened to be the first person Sasaki saw - and he has a teammate.

Either way, someone tried to kill me, my guess is Sasaki and Ichigo, and for this reason they will hammer me all through the day as their attempt failed.

If I were to reply honestly - as I have - I have to admit, I did not think there was the slightest possibility I'd be protected, but I was almost certain I'd be attacked for my writing style..

Alot of innocent-seeming people on here are attempting now to lynch Beefy, I would not suggest this based solely on the evidence he was attacked - someone may know he has a powerful pro-townie role, and thus attempted to kill him.
Or perhaps not, that is rough speculation, but after the unreasonable interrogations I suffered I am pitiful of those who receive suspicion without great merit..

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Originally Posted by TinCow

I feel like I'm being left in the dust by some of the analysis going on in this thread, but the above seems pretty accurate to me. If Beefy is powerful, doesn't that mean he isn't a townie?

Vote: Beefy187

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That does not necessarily mean he is not pro-town.. If Beefy had been a Don(the only role that I would apply to being anti-town), then surely the explanation would have said there was someone protecting him, right?

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Originally Posted by Glenn

... Wow..

I had very great fears of being murdered for my venture into the spotlight during the day - warmly cushioned by Sasaki.

Now Sasaki had really pushed for this, and Ichigo had gone along with whatever Sasaki had proposed regardless.

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If you remember I'm the one who pointed out your blunder. I was hardly going along with Sasaki. It just seems I don't get credit for pointing out your statement.

Scot, the Org spolier tag is spoil, not spoiler.

I'm sorry to lose my life so soon. Now listen carefully.

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Sorry again. My killing was luck of the draw, seems. I've been careful about my role. Bad luck... well, next game better...
Good luck, town, I might keep an eye open and cheer for all innocent people! ~:)

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Originally Posted by Glenn

... Wow..

I had very great fears of being murdered for my venture into the spotlight during the day - warmly cushioned by Sasaki.

Now Sasaki had really pushed for this, and Ichigo had gone along with whatever Sasaki had proposed regardless.

I obviously have been mistaken for someone's arch enemy here, or I just happened to be the first person Sasaki saw - and he has a teammate.

Either way, someone tried to kill me, my guess is Sasaki and Ichigo, and for this reason they will hammer me all through the day as their attempt failed.

If I were to reply honestly - as I have - I have to admit, I did not think there was the slightest possibility I'd be protected, but I was almost certain I'd be attacked for my writing style..

Alot of innocent-seeming people on here are attempting now to lynch Beefy, I would not suggest this based solely on the evidence he was attacked - someone may know he has a powerful pro-townie role, and thus attempted to kill him.
Or perhaps not, that is rough speculation, but after the unreasonable interrogations I suffered I am pitiful of those who receive suspicion without great merit..

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There are some great holes in your explanation there. You were protected by one man. That means that man can only be a doctor or a Luca.
I hardly doubt a doctor would play along in a frame up of an player whose role is unclear.
But a team of townies could well be bold enough to test a suspicion of you being a Don...

Now explain to me the logic behind you being protected by a doctor?

FoS @ EVERYONE!!! :yes:

Drisos. In what you base that Sigurd is a Don?

You can't reveal after you die, Drisos

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Originally Posted by Drisos

I'm sorry to lose my life so soon. Now listen carefully.

I was detective. But got no results. (because I was murdered right away)
So, 100% pro-town.

Thing I do know, is, Sigurd Fafnesbane is one of the Dons. Now, don't lynch him yet - he has 4 rival families, so he'll be murdered anyway.
On his team is The_Stranger.
But he loses as well, when his Don is murdered, right?

Further people that have been really suspective in PM's:

Andres
Glenn

Both should be lynched if they survive for too long. I wouldn't count on it, though.

Furthermore, I can only advise, keep the smart people alive for now, this game is too complicated. Lynch them later on if they survive.

Sorry again. My killing was luck of the draw, seems. I've been careful about my role. Bad luck... well, next game better...
Good luck, town, I might keep an eye open and cheer for all innocent people! ~:)

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Wow, wow, wow... Hold your horses there m8.

Could you further enlighten us on the text in cursive there?

If there are holes in my explanation, then it is probably due to the fact that I'm at a loss as to why I would be protected.

Now, I have some dangerous information regarding you, Fafnesbane, it isn't much, but it involves one of your recruiters and his two protection groups, Alpha and Beta.

This makes me rather suspicious and uncertain as to wether you will believe anything I say, due to the fact that if Andres is correct, and Drisos is also - you wouldn't want my innocence to be accepted in any case.

On Drisos' statement; I think Drisos was not a detective.

However I contacted him because I wanted to share information - but was naturally cautious.. He gave me reason to think I was in danger to speak to him, so I withdrew.

I think that he has done some research in his own corner, and used the detective disguise to make people listen to his findings.

I think, regarding my own protection, that it was either enemies setting me up to be important, (Though if my enemies protected me - who is there to attack me?), or I have been mistaken for a greater pro-townie role.
As for the one person.. there are 79 players, I am willing to think there are well over 10 secret roles, and most of them never seen before.

I also think it possible that some players began as Surgeons.

Glenn, can you share that information with us concerning Sigurd and his recruiters?

drisos you lying scummy sunuvabits... why are you lying like this if you are pro town... who are you lying for you are not pro town...

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I can't believe I am reading this...
I obviously stepped on some toes in one of my previous posts... This is all slander.

I must add here, I momentarily forgot that Doctors could protect by themselves, there needn't be multiple doctors.. Though I maintain my theory on Surgeons.

So why is it so hard to rule out that one doctor, of which there should be many, or a surgeon, found me important?

Hmmm.. Note the two very lean, dismissive posts above me.

Though I doubt they are connected.

I've thought about this a bit more and I'm going to change my vote.

I'm going to stick my neck out here and be honest in the hope that it sheds some light on this situation. I was one of the people pevergreen recruited to his group. Not knowing better, I went along with it. He asked me, along with three other people, to protect Beefy. I was contacted by other people telling me not to trust pevergreen, but with nothing to go on either way, I just decided to do so. Despite what the description says, I believe that this protection group succeeded and protected Beefy. However, it doesn't really explain who attacked Beefy in the first place.

The more I think about this, the more I think pevergreen arranged both the hit and the protection. He clearly has the manpower to do so. Why would he do this? It seems to me he wants the hit group to get promoted to wiseguy, while at the same time cultivating a doctor group to protect him. Why then did he pick Beefy? Probably because he was somewhat suspicious and also because it didn't matter: the target was never going to die anyway. So, I'm left with Beefy being questionably guilty of something that I don't know. At the same time, pevergreen seems to be organizing a large group of people into a hit group and a protection group. He is not telling either side about the other group and is instead issuing orders for his own inscrutable reasons. This is suspicious enough for me to no trust him, and if I don't trust him, he's a good choice for a lynching.

Unvote: Beefy187
Vote: pevergreen

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

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I can't believe I am reading this...
I obviously stepped on some toes in one of my previous posts... This is all slander.

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yeah... somebody knocked him on the head... :dizzy2: hes wrong about me... what about you eh?... don? :inquisitive:

Haha, well this all is exactly the reason I'm not looking forward to much discussion now. I'd be called liar 10 times an hour, while when all is finished you'll all see me listed as detective, murdered night 1..

Obviously I missed something out on the rules of when you're dead? I couldn't even call Sigurd a don?

Welll, I hope the right people read it now anyway.. sorry for the spoiler then..

No one mentioned your name Stranger.

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Now, I have some dangerous information regarding you, Fafnesbane, it isn't much, but it involves one of your recruiters and his two protection groups, Alpha and Beta.

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This just testifies to me that you are playing with dirty cards.
My vote is reinforced...

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Originally Posted by Glenn

No one mentioned your name Stranger.

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if im not mistaken... drisos did...

hahaha alpha and beta :P hilarious...

So Glenn, tell us your information about Sigurd, as if you are innocent, you have nothing to hide?

I'm innocent, but it doesn't matter if I'm innocent or not, it's my life I'm concerned about.

However, if I say what I know.. and I know alot.. and people believe me, then alot of nasty people are going to hang.

And I will die, won't I Stranger?

@ Glenn

stop threathening me... tell me what dirt you supposedly got on me... bring it

stop twisting my words

Vote: Sigurd

Best case scenario would be to lynch GH, Sigurd, Glenn and The Stranger this round, since they're all suspicious and we won't get a straight answer out of any of them.

When pevergreen sent out the pm I replied and asked to be put in a protection group. He ordered 4 of us to protect beefy. I didn't see any reason to do that (thinking he might be a mafia buddy of pever or that pever just wanted to know who was protected). I contacted my group and asked them to protect pannonian instead. Tincow didn't trust me either, so I think only two of us actually protected pannonian, my result email said our efforts weren't parallel.

It's possible pevergreen intended to have vigilante groups attack protected individuals in order to get doctors promoted. He should have made this clear however. Seems a bit like cheating to me anyway. I also want to know what kamikhaan has to do with this.

Drisos's death description reveals him as having a special role imo.

Glenn's results. I find it curious that he was heading towards "the poshest bar" in a fancy sounding hotel. He was also obviously protected by 1 person, and it seems that seamus wants to add a little doubt to that. I don't see why a doctor would protect him, and even if it was a doctor that's no proof of innocence at all. Vote:Glenn

Beefy was obviously not protected--it seems some sort of divine intervention was at stake. I don't think he should be voted for, there is nothing sinister about him.

Xdeathfire could be a serial killer or perhaps a lack of coordination between a group of killers.

In summary, voting Glenn is by far the best route. Beefy could be protown, he will need to claim. Pevergreen needs to cough up some information, I don't think we can condemn him just yet.

why me... im being the middlepoint of lies and slander... i should sue them

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Originally Posted by Glenn

I'm innocent, but it doesn't matter if I'm innocent or not, it's my life I'm concerned about.

However, if I say what I know.. and I know alot.. and people believe me, then alot of nasty people are going to hang.

And I will die, won't I Stranger?

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This is dodgy reasoning, if you were really pro-town then you'd tell as, as your ultimate aim should be a town win, not to stay alive. Along with your bizzare posts in the day phase, and your remarkable save, I think things are stacking up against you. A provisional Vote: Glenn.

Tincow's theory about Pever is interesting, but there is the possibility that he was just attempting to cultivate a doctor for the town-I'll wait until he explains himself.

reading through this and going on my instincts

Vote Pevergreen

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Originally Posted by Drisos

Haha, well this all is exactly the reason I'm not looking forward to much discussion now. I'd be called liar 10 times an hour, while when all is finished you'll all see me listed as detective, murdered night 1..

Obviously I missed something out on the rules of when you're dead? I couldn't even call Sigurd a don?

Welll, I hope the right people read it now anyway.. sorry for the spoiler then..

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Now tell me Drisos.. I am dying to know. How did this information about me and my supposed accomplice come into your hands?
You mentioned Glenn and Andres as sources. Reading it again, you think them suspicious.

We will soon know if you were a detective..
Remember, in 3 days time your role will be posted for all to see.

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Originally Posted by Glenn

I'm innocent, but it doesn't matter if I'm innocent or not, it's my life I'm concerned about.

However, if I say what I know.. and I know alot.. and people believe me, then alot of nasty people are going to hang.

And I will die, won't I Stranger?

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What you have to loose and hold out information for?This seals it for me. Vote: Glenn

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You can't reveal after you die, Drisos

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Can the gamemaster or a mod shed light on this, please? Are post-mortem revelations allowed? I will not comment on Drisos' revelations until I know.

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Originally Posted by Glenn

If I were to reply honestly - as I have - I have to admit, I did not think there was the slightest possibility I'd be protected, but I was almost certain I'd be attacked for my writing style..

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Originally Posted by Glenn

So why is it so hard to rule out that one doctor, of which there should be many, or a surgeon, found me important?

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There are two scenario's:

You are a Don. You were automatically protected by your Luca.
You are something else but were protected by a doctor or a surgeon. This doctor need not think you are important at all. You took a lot of heat before last night. A clever doctor could've guessed you as a likely target for a hit, in order to promote himself to surgeon.

This last explanation is the easiest way to get you off the hook. It is a perfectly reasonable explanation for what happened to you last night and why you survived. I immediately thought of this explanation when I read Seamus' write up.

Why, Glenn, did you fail to see this was a good possibility at first? You know the rules by heart. Why are you not promoting this simple and perfectly valid explanation? Are you that busy conconting weird excuses?

Do you not know that townies eagerly seek a career in medicine? That many townie protection groups and doctors last night picked the people they protected based on the likelyhood that those people would be attacked? Did you give any thought at all to what works for townies or have you only been hanging out with your mafia buddies?

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Vote: CountArach

Very early on he used the following reasoning to elect an unknown:



Shady.

In Capo 1 I used pretty much the exact same reasoning to get my Don, pevergreen, elected on Day 1. I was his Luca, trying to free myself up for more "fun" night activities than protecting people.

My guess is that we could have the same scenario here.

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Oh really. 11 pages of thread and this is your vote and accusation? I would expect more detective work from you as a townie, this is a scummy post.

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But I think we should play down Beefy's powers. I bet he was saved because the group of four townies or a mix of townies and other roles either was infiltrated by mafia/detective or someone forgot (on purpose?) to send in their pm.

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That's really interesting. If beefy was in a family and one of the vigilante's was in the family then it could make sense that he would mess with the guns so they wouldn't fire. Perhaps the writeup indicates sabotage (or perhaps mafia can't kill eachother. Suspicion on beefy and pevergreen for this. Who was in the attacking group pevergreen?

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Originally Posted by Omanes

Vote: norwegian nerd

I don't really think we should allow the events prior to the night phase to totally slip our memories. So norwegian nerd, who is this friend and why were you so close to him before even the most basic townie organisations could be established?

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I agree nn needs to answer some questions.

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Originally Posted by Drisos

Thing I do know, is, Sigurd Fafnesbane is one of the Dons. Now, don't lynch him yet - he has 4 rival families, so he'll be murdered anyway.
On his team is The_Stranger.
But he loses as well, when his Don is murdered, right?

Further people that have been really suspective in PM's:

Andres
Glenn

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Write up helps support this, but we should wait until the gendarmerie gets some results. Think this post breaks the rules anyway and we shouldn't question furthur.

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Now, I have some dangerous information regarding you, Fafnesbane, it isn't much, but it involves one of your recruiters and his two protection groups, Alpha and Beta.

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Glenn is linking pever and sigurd here?

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

I can't believe I am reading this...
I obviously stepped on some toes in one of my previous posts... This is all slander.

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You get scumpoints for this.

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Originally Posted by The Stranger

yeah... somebody knocked him on the head... :dizzy2: hes wrong about me... what about you eh?... don? :inquisitive:

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So do you. I could also swear I saw something where the stranger was laughing about glenn's use of alpha and betta, but now it seems to be gone.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki

Drisos's death description reveals him as having a special role imo.

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Originally Posted by Kill descr.

Drisos didn’t mind operating alone. He preferred it. He would work with others as needed , of course, but he was aware that the only person upon whom you could rely completely was yourself.

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Yes, I does look like it. But tough to say which one, though with what Drisos has said himself and by the pro-townie 'sound' of his kill description his claim of being a detective may very well be the truth. Making his allegations towards Sigurd, in particular, interesting. But hardly conclusive.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki

It's possible pevergreen intended to have vigilante groups attack protected individuals in order to get doctors promoted. He should have made this clear however. Seems a bit like cheating to me anyway.

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If this is the case, then I'm not sure that lynching Pever is the best decision to make. However, again if this is true, he'd be a popular target for the baddies anyway. Interesting to know what Pever has to say on the matter, if he in fact organised both the hit and the protection (as TinCow suggested amongst others).

:balloon2:

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Can the gamemaster or a mod shed light on this, please? Are post-mortem revelations allowed? I will not comment on Drisos' revelations until I know.

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No post-mortem revelations are permissable prior to the role annoucement by Fermanagh at the 3rd morning session following death. To play honorably, the dead must be circumspect in or out of the thread. Any with questions should PM me rather than transgress.

What do I have to lose?

The possibility of gaining more information, and having a more productive role in the game - in other words, life!

I am unsure of some things, but I know names that can come forward and set things perfectly.

Protection Group Alpha, recruited by Stranger.
Glenn, Dutch_Guy, TruePraetorian

Protection Group Beta, recruited by - Stranger?
Drisos, Moros, Andres

Alpha protected Louis VI the Fat.

Beta protected Sigurd Fafnesbane.

Step forward, protectees, what was the reason for being recruited into this?
Considering I received my recruitment PM about one hour after game start, this all seemed too organised to be township.

You all must of realised also, if we can all give some evidence on this we can put this little Mafia away - and only one of us will die, myself. How romantic.

I have to go, this is a busy day for me, (Actually), so this is a quick reply.
For that reason I can't add this PM in a quote - but what difference does that make? The difference is wether you believe me or not.

A PM from Stranger recently:

for a person with so much info... you know awefully little... tell me something you know and I don't before ill be putting a bit of pressure on you...

I did not handle by sigurd... hes not my boss... but if you do not start telling me stuff you end up dead... you might as well tell me stuff that can save you so i can vouch for your innocense... this is not the way you to end CDTC... not this early

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Yes, there is more on Stranger, and on others - I withhold it only because I don't have time right now.

Vote count (please keep updated)

7 glenn(kamikhaan,xehh2,Ichigo,Sigurd,Sasaki,Big King Sanctaphrax,Kagemusha)
4 pevergreen(andres,cratarus,tincow,little grizzly)
2 Beefy(shlin, pannonian)
1 CountArach(GH)
1 norwegian nerd(omanes)
1 sigurd(prole)

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Protection Group Alpha, recruited by Stranger.
Glenn, Dutch_Guy, TruePraetorian

Protection Group Beta, recruited by - Stranger?
Drisos, Moros, Andres

Alpha protected Louis VI the Fat.

Beta protected Sigurd Fafnesbane.

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Ah... dawn is breaking. I retract my accusation of slander.

Some one has to go
Vote:Glenn

8 glenn(kamikhaan,xehh2,Ichigo,Sigurd,Sasaki,Big King Sanctaphrax,Kagemusha, Sarathos)
4 pevergreen(andres,cratarus,tincow,little grizzly)
2 Beefy(shlin, pannonian)
1 CountArach(GH)
1 norwegian nerd(omanes)
1 sigurd(prole)

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Originally Posted by The Stranger

yeah... somebody knocked him on the head... :dizzy2: hes wrong about me... what about you eh?... don? :inquisitive:

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So TS, glenn says you wanted to protect Sigurd, why was that? What were you doing last night? I don't see why you'd create protection groups and not join them, unless you were mafia trying to use the groups. This post here seems like you are pretending to be suspicious of sigurd.

Protecting pevergreen:

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Killing Beefy:

Pevergreen
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Protecting beefy:

Tincow
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Sasaki Kojiro
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I had a group on me in case W&F got a hit on me.

The hit on beefy was organised by me to get doctors. I dont know if it was succesful or not.

Isnt that "working the system" or something and a little off pever?

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Killing Beefy:

Pevergreen
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Who else was in this group?

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why? You left your group. I have no reason to trust you.

I am a wise guy...if your mafia that may be helpful...

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HMMMM I think pevergreen must go. Not this round though, glenn goes this round.

This is from a pm just now btw.

According to Glenn, Louis was also protected by The_Stranger .. and following Drisos' logic Louis must be a Don and The Stranger his Luca.

BTW.. Why would a detective join a protection group? Why waste two investigations?

Yes sasaki. I have no reason to trust you.

Yes I am a wise guy. So? I cant join you under false circumstances? The only evidence we have of you is that you left a protection group last night.

Vote Glenn My opinion is that he's a Don protected by his Lucas.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

According to Glenn, Louis was also protected by The_Stranger .. and following Drisos' logic Louis must be a Don and The Stranger his Luca.

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How so?

Vote: Glenn

Glenn (10) (kamikhaan,xehh2,Ichigo,Sigurd,Sasaki,Big King Sanctaphrax,Kagemusha, Sarathos, Hannibalbarc, pevergreen)
pevergreen (4) (andres,cratarus,tincow,little grizzly)
Beefy187 (2) (shlin, pannonian)
CountArach (1) (GH)
norwegian nerd (1) (Omanes)
Sigurd (1) (prole)

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

When pevergreen sent out the pm I replied and asked to be put in a protection group. He ordered 4 of us to protect beefy. I didn't see any reason to do that (thinking he might be a mafia buddy of pever or that pever just wanted to know who was protected). I contacted my group and asked them to protect pannonian instead. Tincow didn't trust me either, so I think only two of us actually protected pannonian, my result email said our efforts weren't parallel.

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I'm curious as to why you wanted to protect Pannonian.

Also, I'm not a big fan of Sigurd's attitude.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

How so?

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Why not? ... The same logic naming me a Don could be used to name Louis Don.

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

I'm curious as to why you wanted to protect Pannonian.

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He seems like his usual self. And even if he's mafia he'll be a voice of reason in finding other families.

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Why not? ... The same logic naming me a Don could be used to name Louis Don.

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Drisos said you were a don and TS was on your team. I don't think he gave any logic. But mafia teams have three members, so why couldn't louis be the third member?

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

Yes sasaki. I have no reason to trust you.

Yes I am a wise guy. So? I cant join you under false circumstances? The only evidence we have of you is that you left a protection group last night.

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I didn't trust you to pick a protection target.

So, you are a wise guy who has been attempting to network. If you network with other wise guys you can start your own family. If you wanted to be a townie why not join a protection group? If you wanted to be sure that the protection group worked, why not tell us what it was for? Why won't you reveal who was in your killing group?

Many wise guys joined mafia groups or formed their own last game. If you wanted to do that, and someone contacts you now that you have made it public, you could. Not trustworthy.

Vote:Glenn

Cause of the sketchy way he got away from death.

TS has to be scummy. From what we know (if it's all true and I believe most of it probably is), he's probably a Luca. Lynching him would leave a Don unprotected (Sigurd/Louis? I'm thinking Sigurd right now, laughing off (:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:) the accusation just had mafia written all over it). So with TS out of the way, I'm quite happy for the mafia families to take out the unprotected Don.

Before roles were handed out, TS PM'd me about working together in this. It was written in a style similar to our old conversations (light-hearted etc.) After roles went out, I got the serious recruitment PM followed by further intimidating stuff. Withholding information, all that stuff. For me, this proves - or as good as - that he had an agenda.

His comments to Sigurd following Drisos' reveal (are we supposed to be using that? It's kind of hard to ignore.) are suspicios too. As Sasaki pointed out.

I don't think Glenn is the right lynch tonight (foregone conclusion by now?) because he's still giving information. I guess it could be false though.

unvote pevergreen - he can wait.
vote The Stranger

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

Why not? ... The same logic naming me a Don could be used to name Louis Don.

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I'm not sure I quite understand here. According to Glen, both you and Louis were protected by groups. If either of you were Dons, surely you'd have had your Luca's protecting you.

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

Yes sasaki. I have no reason to trust you.

Yes I am a wise guy. So? I cant join you under false circumstances? The only evidence we have of you is that you left a protection group last night.

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It's strange you would ask someone to be part of one of your group's without trusting them.

Vote:Glenn

He's acting very defensive whenever accused, he was protected by a lone person(likely a Luca) and he is very determined to stay alive, which a basic townie wouldn't be. He may turn out to be innocent, but we should take the risk, since if he is guilty he's a Don.

Also, FOS: norwegian nerd(for his comment about his "buddy")

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Originally Posted by Big King Sanctaphrax

I'm not sure I quite understand here. According to Glen, both you and Louis were protected by groups. If either of you were Dons, surely you'd have had your Luca's protecting you.

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If they can get the Don's protected by a townie group the Luca's can do other things. Though it's risky to do so. That seems to be what's happened in a couple of cases.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Drisos said you were a don and TS was on your team. I don't think he gave any logic. But mafia teams have three members, so why couldn't louis be the third member?

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True...

Well, what game are you playing The Stranger? Inquiring minds want to know.

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Originally Posted by Brave_Sir_Robin

Vote:Glenn [cut]
he is very determined to stay alive, which a basic townie wouldn't be. [cut]

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I don't think that's a fair point. This is his first mafia game? I was very concerned with self-preservation when I started playing, probably still am a bit now.

vote: Glenn
He's the clear choice this round. He could have been protected by a doctor- if so, that says nothing of his innocence. If he was protected by a Luca, he's very clearly scum.

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Originally Posted by Craterus

(Sigurd/Louis? I'm thinking Sigurd right now, laughing off (:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:) the accusation just had mafia written all over it)

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Put your self in my shoes.
I made a few posts commenting on Sasaki and GH. Then following the results of night one, I join the 'suspicion towards Glenn' group pointing out his lone protector.
Suddenly I am accused by a dead man of being a Don. Then the player I voted to lynch, throws out accusations of me being involved with a Alpha group and a Beta group, sounding as I was the originator of both.

I was thinking right there and then that either Sasaki or GH was behind a smear campaign against my character because I came too close to the truth.
I was laughing hard at my keyboard because it would have been a brilliant play.

I realise now that this is all due to The Stranger's wacky play.. He has been know to play ... well, strange.

Glenn's actions yesterday were edgy, that's not to say he was the only one. Several people caught the public spotlight for their edgy display's yesterday.

My vote may change, but for the moment I want to see how Glenn responds to numerous accusations.

Vote: Glenn

How many votes make a lynch?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Originally Posted by Craterus

TS has to be scummy. From what we know (if it's all true and I believe most of it probably is), he's probably a Luca. Lynching him would leave a Don unprotected (Sigurd/Louis? I'm thinking Sigurd right now, laughing off (:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:) the accusation just had mafia written all over it). So with TS out of the way, I'm quite happy for the mafia families to take out the unprotected Don.

Before roles were handed out, TS PM'd me about working together in this. It was written in a style similar to our old conversations (light-hearted etc.) After roles went out, I got the serious recruitment PM followed by further intimidating stuff. Withholding information, all that stuff. For me, this proves - or as good as - that he had an agenda.

His comments to Sigurd following Drisos' reveal (are we supposed to be using that? It's kind of hard to ignore.) are suspicios too. As Sasaki pointed out.

I don't think Glenn is the right lynch tonight (foregone conclusion by now?) because he's still giving information. I guess it could be false though.

unvote pevergreen - he can wait.
vote The Stranger

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I agree with Craterus.
I was recruited by The Stranger last night to protect Loius the Fat. Here is the thread he told me to use:

We, Dutch_Guy, Glenn and TruePraetorian will protect this night, Louis VI The Fat.
I after I found out Glenn was in the group, I wanted out. I PMed him to let me out of the group, and he sent me this:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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sweet jesus PT you are not pulling this kinda :daisy: on me... i told you... no way to back out... you are doing this protection... you can back out next time...

but you are sending the pm tonight otherwise you will be prime candidate for lynch tomorrow...

working with glenn isnt going to affect you... you know why... because nobody wouldve known it... if he dies... so what... nobody wouldve known you wouldve worked with him... now... people do...

and we are not protecting him... were protecting louise... and if he dies tomorrow... i know who to blame.

so... make your choice mate... what better way to prove innocent than working in a ptgroup

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The PT thing is not an accident, it is quoted as is.

Now, you can ask Glenn, I PMed him personally to let him know how I felt. I will show you the PM if you want. I told him that I didn't want to be associated with him due to the fact he was "taking fire". He understood this, and we had an agreement not to let everyone else know we worked togehter. I understand why he broke the agreement; To clear his name of course. I am not attacking him, but I am also not defending him. He might as well be lynched, I think he is acting more then a "little" scummy. I just think The Stranger is not taking enough fire for his actions.

He also never told me why we were protecting Loiuse...Mafia maybe?

Also, I'm going to double post because I can't find a quote that I wanted to comment on.

Vote: The Stranger

Shouldn't have threatened me into that protection group.

Vote: Sigurd

well, I believe Drisos and I found it suspicious that Sigurd selected me as director. Now why is that? Well, last time someone was really nice to me, that person was scummy and besides, Sigurd knows me quite well and may have wanted to get my support by being nice to me, unfortunately I'm aware of my weaknesses. :whip:

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Originally Posted by Craterus

I don't think that's a fair point. This is his first mafia game? I was very concerned with self-preservation when I started playing, probably still am a bit now.

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It's his second I believe, and he claimed to have read through quite a few of the older mafia games here. Therefore, he should know this kind of selfish attitude tends to get you lynched. Besides, he's really the best lynch for now, as he seems scummy because of his actions in the thread basically all the accusations against other people are based on pm quotes or information from people who could very well be lying.

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Originally Posted by Glenn

I'm innocent, but it doesn't matter if I'm innocent or not, it's my life I'm concerned about.

However, if I say what I know.. and I know alot.. and people believe me, then alot of nasty people are going to hang.

And I will die, won't I Stranger?

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Originally Posted by The Stranger

@ Glenn

stop threathening me... tell me what dirt you supposedly got on me... bring it

stop twisting my words

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Why would you recruit him if obviously he is suspicous of you too? Unless, he does know things you dont want released? Or maybe, he doesn't know any secrets at all, your just playing the "me and you are enemies" game, when actually you are both Mafia?

Scummy, TS, scummy scummy scummy scummy...

It is my second, my first was Fimbulwinter, which started 3 days ago..

Generally, everyone attempts self preservation in a Mafia game - you can't be part of a victory if you are dead.

So that is a terrible excuse for lynching someone.

Next, the main excuse is that I was either protected by a Luca, or a Doctor, and seeing as a Doctor still doesn't prove my innocence, but a Luca would prove my guilt.

How is that rational if you don't know who protected me in any case?

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In response to 10 votes, I only have a limited time to play this game, and if I can spend the very first few turns exposing a Mafia family, then I've succeeded in my own part.

I am glad TruePraetorian came forward, he was very suspicious of me when I sent both him and Dutch_Guy PMs to ensure I wasn't being fooled.

As for Pevergreen, there was strong evidence that he, Pannonian and Beefy187 were connected.

When Woad&Fangs sent out his letter asking for a protection group, he sent it to Beefy187, but not to Pannonian or Pevergreen of course.

Beefy187 refused. Makayane can confirm who the letter was sent to.

Beefy then suggested to me it would be a good idea to infiltrate Pevergreen's group to find out what was occuring, and volunteered himself very quickly.
I did not trust this, I asked Pannonian in a letter to tell me what was going on between him and Pevergreen or else he would attract my distrust.

He never responded.

Pevergreen responded by posting my PM, which shows how he intended to kill W&F first - note how he has subtly tried to lynch him.

I think both Woad&Fangs are innocent, however I think they both have at least tried to recruit a large amount of people, for themselves or for the Mafia.

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Notice also how Sigurd first dismissed complaints against himself and Stranger, then began pushing against both Stranger and Louis VI when I mentioned the latter.

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Hope to god someone takes this seriously and acts on it, publicly or not..

I've done a lot of studying in the background during my Day 1, Night 1 silence..

I believe Sasaki is innocent.

Just curious. is it possible that a new thread could be opened where all the night summaries could be placed and where a current list of alive members could be?

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Originally Posted by Tiberius of the Drake

Just curious. is it possible that a new thread could be opened where all the night summaries could be placed and where a current list of alive members could be?

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Generally, everyone attempts self preservation in a Mafia game - you can't be part of a victory if you are dead.

So that is a terrible excuse for lynching someone.

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Actually, it's one of the main principles of Mafia games that one can die and yet win, as long as one's team wins. I came up with some interesting strategies in the last Capo game, based on this principle.

Vote:abstain

As for acusations against me here is a message from my buddy

"I wish I could vouch for norwegian nerd in public, but unfortunately I have a pro town role, and as such I won't be revealing any time soon. I am forbidden from revealing norwegian nerd's role.

It seems therefore that there is no way we can proove his innocence. I hope that you will accept that he slipped up (perhaps due to inexperience). I also hope that you believe that were he mafia, he would have known better. (Yes I know that's a classic defensive argument, but would a mafia really be so daft as to claim knowledge of a 'buddy' in his first post, without ever being accused of anything)

So this is a plea to your common sense, norwegian nerd is innocent, simply inexperienced."

Norwegian, you have played more games than I myself.
You play on other forums.

You can ask CountArach how much I play and how recently the last one was.

You said Count Arach knew very little of you, and had only seen you on this other forum.

And that is the other forum where I have played mafia. I think maybe 4 games max before this. Its irrelevent either way the level of individual gamers wasn't as high in my opinion as well as the last active mafia game.

Can we not go into too much detail into what goes on in other forums? Firstly, we can't check out the truth for ourselves. Secondly, it takes the fun out of the game when two or three people are busy discussing something the rest of us would have no perspective on.

Well I Vote:Glenn. I agree with those who say that it is likely that it was a luca protecting his Don.

Also FOS:Norwegian Nerd and Pevergreen.

Joe