Kage, we all have our moments of less than ideal control.
Please don't quit for good.
:bow:
Also: 4000th reply! That's some sort of record, methinks.
CR
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Kage, we all have our moments of less than ideal control.
Please don't quit for good.
:bow:
Also: 4000th reply! That's some sort of record, methinks.
CR
Agreed.
It's easy for tempers to flare this late on in this large of a game. We all have our moments. Keep playing Kage, it's more fun if you do. :yes:
Vote: Craterus
I suppose at this point not voting for craterus is like voting for CountArach, which seems immoral.
unvote,vote:Craterus
:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Oh the irony...
did not kill any townies... a moment ago you were claiming to have killed a townie, you made one kill and it was me, denying it does not disprove that FACT.Quote:
Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
No kage, noooo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
Don't leave.
Vote:Craterus
Vote: CountArach
Select: scottishranger
The only one I can trust. I may have joined Cunnios, but they killed EF. I wouldn't feel right selecting Craterus.
Lol, then why did you join them...?
Mafia logic is weird :embarassed:
This post is now complete (I think ~;)).
After the mafia reveal of 2 days ago, my summary serves no more purpose in organizing townie information and actions, and I'd thought about just quitting, but having so much more information available has made me decide to keep going, if only for purely intellectual purposes. I'm curious to see how much of my supposition (both previous and current) is born out, and how many of my ideas are way off the mark.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Ajax
Select: Shlin28
For the greater good... and stuff.
Added the last 2 dons.Quote:
13 mafia
Affiliated Wise Guy: Tran (Stracci), Sarathos (family unknown)
Made: Tiberius (Corleone), Andres (Stracci), FactionHeir (Barzini), NorthNovas (Stracci), Ichigo (probably Barzini)
Luca: Kommodus (family unknown), Dutch Guy (Stracci), Makanyane (Tataglia), Warluster (family unknown)
Don: Omanes (Stracchi), Sigurd (Corleone), EF (Tataglia), Kagemusha (Barzini)
Wow.
Vote: Craterus
Select: Shlin
Select: shlin
Wow, this last page is quite confusing...
:balloon2:
Indeed.
select:scottishranger
Lynch Tally:
Craterus: 5(Caius,Shlin,Sasaki,CA,Prole)
CA:3(TP,scott,Gibson)
Selections:
Craterus: 1(TP,)
Scottishranger: 2(gibs,scott)
shlin:3(shlin,Prole, CA)
then why aren't you voting for Craterus :wall: what did CA do wrong except try to attack me waaaay back, he didn't know I was mafia then.Quote:
Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921
Pure opportunists: gibsonsg91921, Scottish, says ajaxfetish.
Just you wait. AND I NEVER EFFING JOINED STRACCI! I'm way too good at deceiving, but I'm annoying when people think I'm a yellerbelly for it.
Relax Elite Ferret.
Sack: shlin
Select: scottishranger
And GH/Sasaki,
you denied me satisfaction.
Sorry, TC, it's only personal in-game. It's a shame all of my characters always hate yours. Maybe this'll change in the next PBM, haha. That would be boring, tho.
I've now completed my latest summary, if anyone's interested in going back to it. N13-14 Summary
My post-mortem section includes only those whose post-mortems have already come through, so it's necessarily a little behind the current situation. I added a sub-section with those dead but not yet revealed and their supposed roles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius
Ajax
Oh darn..so close too...
I guess the last thing I can do out of desperation is ask Sasaki and/or Caius to join us instead of the town...but i doubt i can fix anything..
Im not going to try any reverse pyshcology (Loius :laugh4:) but what i will ask is this to Sasaki: Do you want townies to win without you, or would you like your own personal piece of the win? I know you cant go strait, but joining would include you in the win instead of counting it as a loss...or if not you said "not voting is like voting for CA", then can you just vote for me or something? That way you ARE voting, and not "for CA". Again, no pyschology tricks, just asking.
As for the town, without Sasaki, well played. It was a fun time, and will definatley be the most rememberable (first :2thumbsup:) mafia played :beam:
All of my family, please do the same:
Unvote, Vote: Caius
Sack, Select: CA
There CA, proof im not backstabbing you this time :no:
Lynch Tally:
Craterus: 5(Caius,Shlin,Sasaki,CA,Prole)
CA:2(scott,Gibson)
Caius: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Selections:
CA: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Scottishranger: 2(gibs,scott)
shlin:3(shlin,Prole, CA)
EDIT: and in case no one knew, Craterus is the last don. When Craterus dies, the game is over. This is in response to two players who I already know what they are thinking of doing. But after the last Don is killed, the town wins. That is why I asked for CA and Sasakis help..
Given that the Cunnios betrayed both the Tataglias and the Barzini, killing both Dons, why would they want to join you? It would make more sense for the remnants of the Tataglias and Barzini to get their revenge on the Cunnios, wiping them out, before joining whatever family emerges from scottishranger and gibson. Perhaps they could call the new family the Barzaglias or something, and get both their win and their revenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
When the last don is killed the game ends. And WE DIDNT KILL EF!!! CAIUS DID IT!!!
Caius WANTED to be manipulated. He ACTED manipulated. In actuality, he WANTED to kill EF anyway! He wanted the war to start!! So, he went to chat, suggested it to Craterus (saying dont kill me and ill do it), Craterus says he doesnt care, and then blames it on us! WE DIDNT DO IT!
So stop saying that.
But yes, Kage, im afraid we did lynch you..no denying that. When EF died we saw the perfect opportunity to attack.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
This is what i meant. This is why Scott and Gibs, your plan wont work. This is why I asked CA and Sasaki..there isnt going to be another family guys! Today is the last day!
That is why i again humbly ask my entire family to select CA as director, for the sole purpose of trust (:sad:), and that is why I vote Caius. If this wasnt the endgame, then i wouldnt be posting like this :no:
Today is it. Mafia or town. Its up to CA and Sasaki.
I'd rather the town win than traitors anyways.
The town also has to be able to outvote the remaing mafia... which it can't. There are at most 3 townies left in the game, and Caius is pretty much scum anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truepraetorian
Why would the game end when the last don is killed? Aren't there enough mafia remaining to elect another don?Quote:
Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
AFAIK there are 3 Cunnios around, so the best option may be to lynch Craterus, then kill the remaining Cunnios during the night. After that, there will be time enough to form another family from the remains of the Tataglias and Barzini, bringing about a sort of united family victory that's within the rules. As I said, this will mean both a victory within the rules, and revenge over the Cunnios who betrayed the other two families.
That's an interesting explanation from Seamus. Can you point us to where he said this?Quote:
Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
Read the above post. That was a quote directly from Seamus himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
The mission of the town was to kill the Dons, NOT kill all the mafia. Just the Dons. So when Craterus dies, then there are no more Dons.
I guess you could say "if they make a new family the next day", but the only problem is that it takes 3 kills for a made to become the Don. So, that is three night phases. Sure, they could kill us ALL off, the only problem being that the game would be over, and it wouldnt count.
To everyone reading this, please read all the aboves before skimming and thena accusing.
Exactly what im talking about. Skim and accuse, no point but to skim and accuse...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Aye, but can you link us to the post where Seamus said this?Quote:
Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
Exactly what im talking about. Skim and accuse, no point but to skim and accuse...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
IN THE PM ABOVE YOUR POST.
:beam:
NUMBER 4028...
According to the townie pm, it's not possible for us to win just if Craterus dies. We would also need to outnumber the remaining mafiosi, and our 3 (maximum) to your 7 wouldn't allow that. If Seamus' pm to Craterus is genuine and that would mean the end of the game, it would not mean town victory. It might mean a stalemate.Quote:
Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
Ajax
That's basic to Capo. You are correct that -- should another family have enough mades -- another Don could be elected prior to this, but if that new Don has not been chosen by that time then the game ends. I had to draw a closure point somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Edit: (Yes, this qualifies as bragging).
If you feel like this has been an immense process so far, you are correct. Capo - II, without sign-ups or rules discussion which were handled in the precursor thread, represents just under 8% of the total posts in the Gameroom and slightly less than 1% of the entirety of the Tavern. Frankly, I'm a bit stunned.
Yes, the PM is genuine. Sent to me by Craterus at 20:21 EDT.
If you want proof, look at the time between that post and the post before that. it was nearly immediatly after..I dont think I can type a post that fast.
And for those still who wont believe that, PM Seamus yourself. I have nothing to hide..and when you all recieve the same PM maybe Scott, Gibbs, Sasaki, and CA will reconsider.
Note condition B. The town can't win unless the remaing mafia members spend a couple of night phases killing each other and ignore the remaining townies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus
So Seamus said this to Craterus in a PM, which we can't check out for ourselves. In that same quoted PM, Craterus conveniently says (threatens?) that if he's killed, the town would win. Am I the only one to smell a rat here?Quote:
Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Well there ya go. This means that the Don needed to have been chosen I think 3 day phases ago, and its obviously not that way. In order to become a Don the mades need to kill. So, therefore, it is town victory if Craterus is lynched.
EDIT:
PANNONIAN READ READ READ READ READ READ BEFORE YOU POST POST POST!!!
That way, i dont have to keep telling you over and over again the same stuff :beam:
Why would Craterus and TruePraetorian lie? They've been nothing but honest and true so far. :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
And until CA comes back online, no one else has changed their votes.
CA IF YOU STILL WANT TO, I WILL GLADLY!! CHANGE MY VOTE!
but perhaps he may not come back, and a townie might reconsider :laugh4:
unvote, vote:CA
sack, select:Craterus
select:scottishranger
By the way, this is out of pure curiosity, and I suppose it's directed to either gibsonsg or scottishranger, as the others involved are prevented from answering due to the rules.
Who exactly killed me? It must have been two Tataglia goons. The possibilities as I see it are Makanyane (a luca but not above getting her hands bloody, as shown by CR's N3 and N5 guilty results), charge, gibsonsg, or scottish. I don't know when the two of you joined the family, but it could easily have happened by N6, when I was taken out.
Thank you if you see fit to respond.
Ajax
edit: looks like I can't read my own write-ups properly. Makanyane got a guilty result N6 as well, so it looks like she was one of my slayers. So the only question then is who was her accomplice.
Dude. You lost my trust once - you aren't getting it back until after the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
~:eek: Over 4000 posts? ~:eek:
Yeh, it is called a HUGE game. :laugh4:
There, fixed it for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
There is still another possibility for the remaining, Don-less mafiosi:
All former Tattaglia and Barzini Mades team together and elect a new Don. I'll grant you acces to the Stracci family. You'll be the new Stracci Don. Every Wiseguy and every non-Cunnio mafioso joins Stracci, making the New Stracci family the biggest family in this game, with a Don.
The only thing you have to do now, is elect the person who is going to be your Don as a Director.
There's 11 players left, right? So even if scottish and gibson joined Cunnio, (cunnio'll have 5 members) you can lynch craterus. Go for it..:book:
scottish and gibson can team up with the remaining Barzini's and Tattaglia's and form the New Stracci's, which will be the largest faction in this game.
It's an offer you can't refuse ~:pimp:
Trying to achieve victory after all? ~;p :balloon2:
That sounds like the best way to go indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
:balloon2:
My idea is a valid alternative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
It'll be a mafia victory achieved by a family that has been honorable and did not participate in all the backstabbing and treason that has been going on.
If you want an honorable mafia victory, then reviving the Stracci's is the way to go :shrug:
EDIT: any pro-town wiseguy(s) who does not want to lose to the treacherous Cunnio's can also join.
Voting is completed. Writeup to follow as soon as possible.
Could it be that our three dons died within 2 day-night phases? :beam:
If that would be the case, the town deserves to win... :shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
FYI, the town won't win if all the Done are dead:
Given the course of the game, that actually seems like a proper ending.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Sounds more like an anticlimax to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
This is main thread post #4062
“…as crazy as this world may seem
the thing that keeps it spinning `round
is always there
so close and yet so far...”
-- Agent Orange
Sunset, Day 15
Caius, Shlin28, and Proletariat sat together, but the rest of the now-decimated committee of vigilance sat in very separate seats. It was as though the few remaining could somehow disguise the nearly seventy empty chairs by scattering themselves. The result was something...disjointed.
Craterus huddled with the two counting officers for tonight while the other 4 guards paired off near the likely candidates for tonight – CountArach and Sasaki Kojiro.
“This is insipid!” Craterus was visibly upset. "We must have the tally wrong!”
The two counting officers responded by grabbing Craterus’ arms and pinioning him. The committee was on their feet arguing and shouting – anything might happen.
<<Crack>>
The single gunshot – aimed at the ceiling -- created a silence. Muldoon and his fellow officers did NOT holster their weapons. Muldoon spoke.
“I didn’t come up with this…this….this…idiotic system but I am sworn to enforce it. We done the count and it says that Director Craterus here is the one you’ve picked for the chop. So the chop it will be.”
Craterus struggled, but the officers had a good grip and the rest of the committee wasn’t going to make a move against the drawn guns of Muldoon’s squad.
“Now, Mr. Craterus does have the right to pick his own death, so what's it gonna be?"
Craterus stopped struggling. Instead, he straightened himself. He shook his head sadly, a slow and rueful motion.
“Uneasy lies the head that would wear the crown,” he said. “Just make it quick.”
Muldoon lifted his revolver and shot Craterus in the temple at close range. He was dead instantly.
“Mr. Scottishranger,” said Muldoon. “The other tally says you’re the new director. The squad will watch over you tonight, as soon as we’ve removed Mr. Craterus here to the morgue. I assume the others are free to go…”
Scott nodded yes. Without another word the remains of the committee filed out into the twilight. Night would soon embrace Fatlington once more.
OOC
1. PM’s for night 15 are due no later than 1000 EDT 15 March 2008 (1400 GMT). I will expect PMs from all, clearly stating their actions, inactions or any other relevant statements of intent. Please remember that it’s the weekend (and my wife’s Birthday) so the writeup may be a slow turnaround.
2. Lynch Tally: (8 of 10 possible)
Craterus = 5 (Caius, CountArach, Proletariat, Sasaki Kojiro, Shlin28).
Caius = 3 (gibsonsg91921, Scottishranger, TruePraetorian)
Not Voting = 2 (Twilightblade, Xehh II)
Not Allowed to Vote = 1 (Craterus, Director).
3. Director Tally: (9 of 11 possible)
Scottishranger = 4 (CountArach, gibsonsg91921, Scottishranger, Sasaki Kojiro)
Craterus = 3 (Caius, Craterus, TruePraetorian)
Shlin28 = 2 (Proletariat, Shlin28)
No Selection = 2 (Twilightblade, Xehh II)
3. Current List of Players:
Still Alive: (10) Caius, CountArach, gibsonsg91921, Proletariat, Sasaki Kojiro, scottishranger, shlin28, TruePraetorian, Twilightblade, Xehh II.
Attacked: (37) Andres (N2, N3), Beefy187 (N1), Brave Sir Robin (N7), Caius (N3, N14), Charge (N9), Craterus (N6), Crazed Rabbit (N6), Cowhead418 (N2), Elite Ferret (N10, N12, N13), Evil_Maniac from Mars (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N2, N3), Glenn (N1, N2), Ichigo (N9), Kagemusha (N6), Proletariat (N4, N4, N5, N6, N7, N8, N9), Sasaki Kojiro (N5, N7), shlin28 (N13), taka (N2), Tran (N5, N7, N8), TinCow (N7), Twilightblade (N4, N5), Xdeathfire (N1)
Murdered: (38) Drisos (N1), Lord Winter (N2), Beefy187 (N3), Glenn (N3), Pannonian (N3), taka (N3), The Stranger (N3), Zorg (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N4), Kommodus (N4), Moros (N4), Xiahou (N4), Chimpyang (N5), Kamikhaan (N5), Motep (N5), Rythmic, (N5), woad&fangs (N5), ajaxfetish (N6), FactionHeir (N6), Lt. Pinard (N6), Louis VI the Fat (N6), Husar (N7), NorthNovas (N7), Makanyane (N8), Sarathos (N8), Tran (N8), Haudegen (N9), Cowhead418 (N10), Ichigo (N10), LittleGrizzly (N10), Myrddraal (N11), Warluster (N11), Brave Sir Robin (N12), Elite Ferret (N13), Ironside (N13), norwegian nerd (N13), Joe Monks (N14), Leet Erikson (N14).
Killed During an Attack: (1) Evil_Maniac from Mars (N8).
Lynched: (15) pevergreen (D2), Hannibalbarca (D3), Tiberius of the Drake (D3), Omanes Alexandrapolites (D4), Andres (D5), Xdeathfire (D6), Dutch_guy (D7), Sigurd Fafnesbane (D8), Hiji (D9), Crazed Rabbit (D10), Charge (D11), TinCow (D12), Kukrikhan (D13), Kagemusha (D14), Craterus (D15).
Removed from Play: (15) Fahad I (D4), Killfr3nzy (D4), x-dANGEr (D4), Sapi (N4), Warmaster Horus (N5), Rob_the_Celt (N5), molonthegreat (N5), johnhughthom (D8), Alexander the Pretty Good (N9), Big King Sanctaphrax (N9), Roadkill (N9), Caeser the III (N11), Draco Leman (N11), JimBob (N12), Jubal_Barca (N12).
If Tincow and Truepraetorian were right, then the game should have ended with Craterus' death. However, it hasn't, and I can only think of 2 scenarios right now.
1. Craterus wasn't Don Cunnio, but was, as I thought I'd read earlier, the Luca. If so, then who was it who authorised the killing of EF?
2. Craterus was Don Cunnio, but there is time still left to create a new family of elect a new Don. In which case, it may be prudent to kill at least 1 Cunnio tonight to make sure their family doesn't rise again, then to finalise arrangements between the remains of the Tataglias and Barzini. IIRC TruePraetorian and Xeh II are both Mades (if Craterus was indeed the Don), so they can still set up a new Don between them. It may be better to kill both, just in case there's a wise guy who's still attached to them and who can still be promoted.
Edit: Hang on, was it Xeh II or Twilightblade who's the other Cunnio Made?
It's also possible that the game is indeed over and cruel Seamus will keep us in tension for a day or two :evil:
Ehehehehehehehehe... :eyebrows:
I'm pretty sure that gibson and scottishranger arranged it so that gibson is now a Don (family unknown, likely Tataglia) and scottish is his Luca. Hence the reason why they wanted scottish as Director: both gibson and scottish are now immune to night attacks. CA and Sasaki are obviously working with them as well.
As I see it, tonight the 'new' Tataglias will be able to do one hit (CA & Sasaki) and will likely use it to hit the remaining Cunnios: TP or Xehh II. They can still be thwarted if the Cunnios kill CA or Sasaki tonight, which will reduce the Tatagli votes to 2 (Scottish is director) and prevent futher night attacks unless Scottish does not protect gibson. The Cunnios and the remaining townies will then be able to lynch the Tataglias into oblivion.
As I see it, it's just a question of whether TP and Xehh II are going to try and thwart the Tataglia plan, or are going to roll over and let them win.
Fixed it for you :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Well townies receive Role PMs if I am not mistaken (I did as a townie). So if anyone can be bothered to sift through the last couple pages, they'll find a liar.
You fixed nothing. I never said I was trying to help the mafia, I was simply stating the situation as it stands. If you think the Tataliga should win, then simply convince TP and Xehh II not to kill CA or Sasaki tonight. If you think the Tataglia shouldn't win, then they need to kill one of those two. It's a very simple situation. There's not much point in distorting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
It is fitting that he who backstabs should Die.
....nothing to see here, move on. SF
Funny, cause your friend CA is joining up with the guys who killed you.
CR
lmao don't be ridiculous, you lost Andres no one is going to become Stracci just so you win. The Tataglias will win :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Since this liar is presumbably in the thread, a dead player can find it and say which post it is. So, for the good of the almighty powerful town who took down 3 dons depite them being severely outnumbered and with no pro-town roles supporting them, please reveal which post it is :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rythmic
In that case, it's 6 is luca in the game... 4 is confirmed dead and the 5:th is claimed dead. Not enough hits on dons to create another luca either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Either this, or there's someone that got a role that can still realistically win without some unified mafia move.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Atleast the backup townie objectives is done (aka the objective that didn't require a miracle to be done, only quite a bit of luck), good job town! :2thumbsup:
Hmm, was hoping for a better death but nevermind ~:)
Go town, shows what a reliable team can do :p
Now i can rest in peace, when Craterus is no more.I hope your master plan still works,what else could you expect?
You have no idea.
Your responses, however, were and still are fully expected. Seeing as they've been on repeat for the past 3 days, I don't even need to be a genius to work that one out.
What can i say, im kind of predictable. Unlike some others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
well I've lost this game now, I have no idea what is going on anymore...