New factions?

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Originally Posted by abou

Aw damn, they haven't been confirmed? So much for my hats, t-shirts, and matching underwear.

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I did not need to read that, thank you very much...:jester:

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Originally Posted by abou

check yourself before you wreck yourself

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I do believe this needs to be one of the loading screen quotes for EB2.

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Originally Posted by Ibrahim

I did not need to read that, thank you very much...:jester:

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What? You don't have little phalangites on your underpants? Shame on you...

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Originally Posted by athanaric

What? You don't have little phalangites on your underpants? Shame on you...

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no, wait, what? why would you think that? do you go into my closet every once in a while? in which case, I'll have to reconsider living in a dorm...

:clown: :clown: :jester:

but seriously, no, I don't have any.

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Originally Posted by athanaric

You don't have little phalangites on your underpants?

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Interesting idea for the Europa Barbarorum Swag thread...

I would wear it. Sounds sexy. You should have two opposing phalanxes clashing at the crotch area.

Ewww.

Make sure the sarissae are very long though.

Back to topic!:laugh4:

Been playing a Carthaginian campaign lately, I have to say I am really looking forward to the Numidian faction in EBII.

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Originally Posted by Brave Brave Sir Robin

Make sure the sarissae are very long though.

Back to topic!:laugh4:

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I'm secure enough that I don't need phalangites to emphasize the size of my crown jewels-thank you miss. :clown:

@ Brennus: I am too. I gotta fight some berbers as an Arabian outside of IJ. :wall:

I needs more previews, its been a long time! I'm hoping for some Belgae tribe, maybe the Nervii or Bellovaci

I"d love to see a full list of new factions... IMO it is time to see them all.

I've read some rumors about Kartli ( Caucasian Iberia) as an almost confirmed faction for EB2. I wonder whether it's true or not...

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Originally Posted by M to the A

I needs more previews, its been a long time! I'm hoping for some Belgae tribe, maybe the Nervii or Bellovaci

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I think if a single Belgic tribe is going to be confirmed it is likely to be the Atrebates or Suessiones, from the historical record we hear that both expanded into Britain.

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I"d love to see a full list of new factions... IMO it is time to see them all.

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imo it's time for a preview of a new faction, the last ones were all of EB1 factions^^

IMO no number or requests is gonna make the EBII team release another preview ahead of their schedule. Remember, Rome wasn't built in a day.

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Originally Posted by zurab

I've read some rumors about Kartli ( Caucasian Iberia) as an almost confirmed faction for EB2. I wonder whether it's true or not...

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I really doubt it. Did they expand or wage war in any significant way during the time period? If Wikipedia is to be believed, the most they accomplished was to conquer Egrisi. Of course, that is more than can be said of many factions in EB who didn't get any larger than their starting territories. They did manage to retain varying degrees of indpenedence throughout the whole time period, which is also a plus.

I worry most about their strategic situation in the game. Two single-province factions, both of whom MUST inevitably go to war with the monstrous Gray Death, starting side by side. You know they're going to slug it out for years and years before either of them turn their sights beyond the Caucasus. And by the time there is only one left standing, if the Seleucids haven't already gobbled the other up, they'll still have to face the most powerful empire in the known world to get anywhere. I guess it seems to me like a situation that could only be fun if one of the two Caucasian factions is controlled by the player. Otherwise it will be like the Arveni and Aedui in Gaul: neither side makes any progress for decades, until finally the player or some other faction intervenes and wipes one off the map.

Maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps the AI in M2TW is such that small, neighboring factions are less likely to engage in "trench warfare". Perhaps small factions can live side by side in harmony, focusing on the bigger problems that they both face. Maybe I'm just looking at it all wrong. But I can't help but be skeptical and fear that having both Armenia and Kartli as factions in EB2 will simply cripple both of them.

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Originally Posted by B_Ray

I really doubt it. Did they expand or wage war in any significant way during the time period? If Wikipedia is to be believed, the most they accomplished was to conquer Egrisi. Of course, that is more than can be said of many factions in EB who didn't get any larger than their starting territories. They did manage to retain varying degrees of indpenedence throughout the whole time period, which is also a plus.

I worry most about their strategic situation in the game. Two single-province factions, both of whom MUST inevitably go to war with the monstrous Gray Death, starting side by side. You know they're going to slug it out for years and years before either of them turn their sights beyond the Caucasus. And by the time there is only one left standing, if the Seleucids haven't already gobbled the other up, they'll still have to face the most powerful empire in the known world to get anywhere. I guess it seems to me like a situation that could only be fun if one of the two Caucasian factions is controlled by the player. Otherwise it will be like the Arveni and Aedui in Gaul: neither side makes any progress for decades, until finally the player or some other faction intervenes and wipes one off the map.

Maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps the AI in M2TW is such that small, neighboring factions are less likely to engage in "trench warfare". Perhaps small factions can live side by side in harmony, focusing on the bigger problems that they both face. Maybe I'm just looking at it all wrong. But I can't help but be skeptical and fear that having both Armenia and Kartli as factions in EB2 will simply cripple both of them.

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Aedui and Arverni start as enemies in EB, and their weakening each other in incessant wars is pretty much how it was; the only problem really comes with who ends up crushing them in EB. Either the Lusotanan or the Sweboz in unencumbered overdrive. Hopefully a Celtiberian faction will put the brakes on the Lusotanan, and a second 'Germanic' faction likewise for Sweboz....and then the Romani can smash the Gauls instead :inquisitive:

Kartli might be a good idea, if for no other reason than that they would tend to stop the hayasdan from simply expanding Northward - and a more reasonable starting diplomatic stance might stop them from kicking ten bales out of each other...

I've asked this (about the diplomatic stance of Kartli) before and the response of Foot was:

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Originally Posted by Foot

Kartli was in an alliance with AS against Hayasdan. But it wasn't an active war as far as we can tell. Hayasdan had just supported the King of Kappadokia against the AS, and so the AS needed to keep an eye on Hayasdan. To do this they gave support to Kartli. They weren't at war, but they weren't best of friends either. Had Hayasdan become agressive, she would have been caught in a pincer between the two nations. Kartli, on the otherhand, had a bit more free reign and was beginning to move into the colchis region (which, at the time, was ruled by a lot of little minor princes, rather than a unified land.

Foot

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Among the most recent previews were several Boii previews. Best I can remember, they were not in EB1...

FYI, there are 3 almost-but-not-quite-ready previews coming down the pipe.

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Originally Posted by Brennus

I think if a single Belgic tribe is going to be confirmed it is likely to be the Atrebates or Suessiones, from the historical record we hear that both expanded into Britain.

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Atrebates fleed to Britain due to Caesar no? So that's not really the same thing.

I've just mentioned that it would be time for a new preview, thus that I expect the EB team is going to release one shortly. who am I to demand a preview, I'm not new to the modding scene ;) . concerning "new" factions, It's been long since a faction has been officially announced.

I would like to see the trans-Alpine Gauls represented as three separate factions: Allobroges, Celts, and Belgae.

I would like the Illyrians properly represented.

I would like to the see the Numidians and Massylians presented after Carthage's fall.

I would like to see the "Scythians."

I would like to see the Saba eliminated as a faction.

I would like to see the Indians introduced.

I would like to see the other "Successors:" Bythnia and Pergamon.

I would like to see the Thracians.

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Originally Posted by Horatius Flaccus

I've asked this (about the diplomatic stance of Kartli) before and the response of Foot was:

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So Foot's answers seems like more "YES to Kartli" than " NO"
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Well err... thanks for sharing what you would like, I guess...

Well now that I have shared, what do you about my thoughts?

Well we're not going to tell you our secret factions, just because you shared your opinion...

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Originally Posted by Moros

Well we're not going to tell you our secret factions, just because you shared your opinion...

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*Opens oven, takes out freshly baked pie*

How about now?...

Why do you antagonize me Moros? I didn't ask for anything besides your opinion on my own...

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Originally Posted by stratigos vasilios

*Opens oven, takes out freshly baked pie*

How about now?...

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Blast! Okay, but in pm only. And you don't tell anyone! ~;)

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Originally Posted by SlickNicaG69

I would like to see the trans-Alpine Gauls represented as three separate factions: Allobroges, Celts, and Belgae.

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Why?

"Celts" and "Belgae" were not one people. And why are the Allobroges not Celts according to you?

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Originally Posted by SlickNicaG69

I would like the Illyrians properly represented.

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How?

"The Illyrians" can't be a faction, since they historically weren't a single faction. A single tribe would only be possible when the engine would allow for a much more detailed Illyrian region (more provinces, for example).
The Illyrian regions will have an Illyrian feel to them and will give access to Illyrian units. I don't think the M2TW engine can offer more.

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Originally Posted by SlickNicaG69

I would like to the see the Numidians and Massylians presented after Carthage's fall.

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How?

Script? Is it possible within the limits of the engine?

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Originally Posted by SlickNicaG69

I would like to see the "Scythians."

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Which?

They have their units. And perhaps the team have something new for that region too. We don't know all factions yet.

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Originally Posted by SlickNicaG69

I would like to see the Saba eliminated as a faction.

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Why?

Because they are a faction at the edge of the map and don't conquer the world?

Or because they don't interest you personally?

Or do you have a valid argument here?

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Originally Posted by SlickNicaG69

I would like to see the Indians introduced.

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How?

A faction is impossible (culture, only 3 provinces on the map,...).
The character of the regions and the units are Indian. How to improve this?

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Originally Posted by SlickNicaG69

I would like to see the other "Successors:" Bythnia and Pergamon.

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4 new factions announced; 2 of them Hellenistic.

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Originally Posted by SlickNicaG69

I would like to see the Thracians.

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Which? How? See Illyrians, Scythians and Indians.