Omanes, I should flame the crap out of you for having the stones to constantly put pressure on me and at the same time order a hit on me*.
However, since it's clear that Louis will not lynch Andres, I'd appreciate it if you shifted some votes from him over to Xdeath.
*if his story is true.
02-13-2008, 22:51
Sigurd
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Your tally is wrong... Tran's vote is not there.
02-13-2008, 22:54
Sasaki Kojiro
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Hmm my first thought is to believe louis and congratulate him. Of course I want to see all of the pm correspondence promptly to ensure no foul play.
02-13-2008, 22:54
TinCow
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
I disagree with targetting Xdeathfire. I think that given the new information, we should be aiming at Omanes Alexandrapolitis, Dutch_Guy, and Tran. Since they have been revealed, they will certainly kill at least one of us tonight since they have nothing left to lose. We need to lynch at least the Don and a Made/Luca to prevent them from killing any more of us.
This should be priority #1. If we do not get them all right now, one of us will die. We can prevent this death with a quick change in lynchings. We can deal with the others tomorrow, as they are a lesser threat. We may even want to consider switching a confirmed and trusted protection group over to a vigilante kill group to help the town get rid of them faster.
I would also like to add that given Louis VI's statements, I think Husar should be cleared of any suspicion.
02-13-2008, 22:56
GeneralHankerchief
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I disagree with targetting Xdeathfire. I think that given the new information, we should be aiming at Omanes Alexandrapolitis, Dutch_Guy, and Tran. Since they have been revealed, they will certainly kill at least one of us tonight since they have nothing left to lose. We need to lynch at least the Don and a Made/Luca to prevent them from killing any more of us.
This should be priority #1. If we do not get them all right now, one of us will die. We can prevent this death with a quick change in lynchings. We can deal with the others tomorrow, as they are a lesser threat. We may even want to consider switching a confirmed and trusted protection group over to a vigilante kill group to help the town get rid of them faster.
If Louis shows some PM correspondence, I'm all for this idea.
If he does this then I shall vote for Omanes out of pure vengeance.
02-13-2008, 22:56
CountArach
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Hmm my first thought is to believe louis and congratulate him. Of course I want to see all of the pm correspondence promptly to ensure no foul play.
I would also like to see the evidence. No need to name names Louis (though if you do then I am sure someone would protect them), but still - posting up PMs would be great.
02-13-2008, 22:58
Sasaki Kojiro
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
I'll unvote:Sigurd, vote:Omanes
The reason I'm convinced louis is telling the truth is that my source is in fact a made. Andres is right when he said he should have turned up guilty night 1. That explains his reaction entirely. I would be completely amazed if louis had come up with a story that explained everything just on the fly like that. I do wonder if louis and andres hadn't planned to keep with the mafia side of things until the :daisy: hit the fan though. I think we must keep them in protection groups for some time.
The made in question is my buddy and I won't be giving an clues as to his identity so don't ask. I'll repeat that I am a townie though.
Abstains: 14 (Hiji, LittleGriz, Sarathos, woad&fangs, Xehh II, Kage, Craterus, Haudegen, Ironside, Mak, BSR, KukriKhan, CountArach, Louis (not allowed))
Not voting: 38!!!
this should be correct one..
oops
02-13-2008, 23:01
Kagemusha
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
I dont see Louis doing anything else, then throwing more bones to the crowd, with tens of suspects, we will start forgetting some.Louis before giving out more suspects, please first tell us your version about the protection of Glenn, that went wrong while three of you claimed to protect him?
02-13-2008, 23:03
TinCow
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Louis just sent this PM out. It provides his explanation. I make no comment on whether it is true or not.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Glenn ; JimBob ; Husar ; Leet Eriksson ; TinCow ;
Hello,
I was out and about hunting mafia with Andres last night. Hence, it was I who did not send in the last PM.
After I found four people willing to protect Glenn, I could go ahead with killing Pannonian. Had to gain the trust of the family and have them reveal themselves to me. I could not speak of this earlier, because I was in the process of uncovering the names of the don and luca. I could under no circumstance endanger this, not even through PM.
This is why there were four of us in the protection group. Me, and three real protectors. Alas, one PM was not send in time.
Why did I have to lie that I was in there? Well...you try telling people to protect Glenn when most are not convinced of his innocence, eh? Only to then not join yourself. Some of the three protectors had serious doubt. I do not think Husar would've joined if I wouldn't have lied that I was in myself. Husar can confirm to all of you, that it took me some very long PM's to convince him not to protect *****, but Glenn.
Still, we paid a high price. It was not suppossed to go wrong. Three people were supposed to have been protecting Glenn. I organised it, so it is my responsability.
My apologies then to all of you.
On the upside, The Stracchi's are now done for.
02-13-2008, 23:04
Sigurd
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Yours is wrong Charge... Sasaki's is right -1 on Sigurd :2thumbsup:
Abstains: 14 (Hiji, LittleGriz, Sarathos, woad&fangs, Xehh II, Kage, Craterus, Haudegen, Ironside, Mak, BSR, KukriKhan, CountArach, Louis (not allowed))
Not voting: 38!!!
Priority should be to lynch dutch guy and omanes. xdeathfire can wait although that would be bonus.
02-13-2008, 23:10
TinCow
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Since Sasaki got the ball rolling on the vote changes: Unvote: Andres
Vote: Omanes Alexandrapoites
02-13-2008, 23:11
Warluster
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Good; we are saving ourselves much work by hanging them all now. I suspect two of the accused due to the reasonung proposed by others. Vote: Andres
Even if he is innocent; it is better to be sure then to not be. With Andres on 4 that makes a triple lynch which will help us a lot.
If you want to help the town, why would you kill me, if I am a plain townie?
That was why we tried. We knew you would have no protection.
Anyways, I doubt youll forgive me, but thats the truth.
02-13-2008, 23:14
Pannonian
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Well, let's add you to the suspicious lynch candidates then. You want as many people to get lynched as possible :inquisitive: Only Xdeathfire is confirmed guilty. I really don't understand why you are in such a hurry to lynch as many people as possible.
The advantage of the town lies in its' numbers.
The advantage of numbers rests in the amount of leeway the town has in making mistakes and yet surviving them. In a game where people can be promoted to mafia, this leeway is balanced by the ability of the scum to add to their numbers. In Capo 1, the town destroyed one family and gutted another in the early game, and this gave them time to bear through the recovering second mafia family and another up and coming family. If there are a fair number of reasonable suspects, it may be wiser to get them all at once, rather than letting them live and potentially propagate new mafia members.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Ug, I'm getting a bad feeling about this. I feel like I need to remind people that Louis VI is the Director for the next two lynchings. If he is mafia or mafia-wannabe and we submit a tied vote to him, he could let off any of his cronies that he wants.
The last time that happened, there was a tie between The Stranger and Director Sasaki in Capo 1. Sasaki sent TS, and only TS, to the execution, but was lynched by an overwhelming majority the very next round. If Louis plays silly buggers with the execution choices, he'd better have a bloody good explanation for his choices, or he'll face certain execution the next round.
Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
I don't know. I think your definition of "Alternate identity" is strange. To me it implies multi-accounting, which we can be fairly sure did not go on here.
I think TosaInu is another of TruePraetorian's alt accounts, created specifically for Capo 2.
02-13-2008, 23:16
Proletariat
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
You gotta be kidding. Are letting GH off the hook again? Kill him this round and everyone that's apparently in the Stracchi family!
Edit: Realised we're not letting him off the hook
02-13-2008, 23:16
CountArach
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Vote: Omanes
Might as well tie it up with everyone again.
02-13-2008, 23:18
Chimpyang
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Vote : Omanes
Guilty as charged, Louis is in too much of a spotlight to shy away if this all goes wrong.
Ok change to the above
Unvote: Vote : Abstain
Ok back to Omanes again - by Sasaki's count in 1558
Abstains: 14 (Hiji, LittleGriz, Sarathos, woad&fangs, Xehh II, Kage, Craterus, Haudegen, Ironside, Mak, BSR, KukriKhan, CountArach, Louis (not allowed))
Not voting: 38!!!
Keep the tally straight people. We'll probably need at least a three vote margin considering they could all vote in a block to save themselves. It will take luck to pull off a double lynch.
I suggest that scottishranger,chimpyang,andres and louis be made into a townie vig group. Let's have them kill Tran tonight.
Agreed?
02-13-2008, 23:20
Charge
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Unvote: xdeathfire Vote: Dutch Guy
either tran or dg...
02-13-2008, 23:21
Kagemusha
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Unvote, vote: Dutch Guy
02-13-2008, 23:23
TinCow
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
I fully agree with Sasaki's plan. It may also be a way for the gray-area players (like scottishranger) to prove themselves. If they kill every night exactly as the town tells them to, they will clearly be under our control and can gain some trust back. If any of them fails to aid in the vigilante group killings, we can lynch them the next day.
02-13-2008, 23:28
PershsNhpios
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Ha ha! Hooray! I was right! Everybody look at me I was right about Tran!
However, I was certainly wrong about Omanes.
I can vouch for Louis - I don't like the fact he has sacrificed the integrity of my group to do this, but at least the Stracchi family being marched to the gallows.
I can also vouch for the fact it is far more likely that Husar or Leet Eriksson - who both wanted me dead - would be more capable of betrayal than Louis.
I would like to point at Rythmic who has been noted by myself and by Holmes, yet forgotten.
Also, Proletariat, who simply wants GH dead in almost every post without reason.
Then there is Kagemusha, who obviously thinks my suspicion of him dangerous enough to keep mentioning me.
Highly recommended awards go to, FactionHeir and CrazedRabbit for explicitly showing the same behaviour as Rythmic, who has been detected as suspicious by Holmes.
But, perhaps this last piece of information is incorrect.
Is Kommodus always this inactive?
02-13-2008, 23:28
Husar
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Unvote: Sigurd Fafnesbane
Vote: Tran
Well, let's tie up the entire family then and not just one guy. Also in before I'm drunk. ~D
Abstains: 14 (Hiji, LittleGriz, Sarathos, woad&fangs, Xehh II, Kage, Craterus, Haudegen, Ironside, Mak, BSR, KukriKhan, CountArach, Louis (not allowed))
Not voting: 38!!!
Currently the strachi's could put up 7 votes on Andres. So until a few of them vote we need to add votes to Omanes. At least 2 on Omanes and 5 more on Dutch guy, let's leave tran to the vig's.
02-13-2008, 23:39
seireikhaan
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Well, with Loius' reveal, I'll follow Sasaki's advice and Vote: Omanes.
02-13-2008, 23:44
Husar
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Currently the strachi's could put up 7 votes on Andres. So until a few of them vote we need to add votes to Omanes. At least 2 on Omanes and 5 more on Dutch guy, let's leave tran to the vig's.