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Looking at the writing style, TosaInu is not authoring his posts himself. So who is "channelling" him?
The actual author is not using north american or australian idioms (and I'd be surprised if the writer were found to be a UK'er) - rather the precisely correct style of a european 'english-as-second-language'-er. .
Andres, is that you?
surely louis if you can carry on your work after the reveal's in this thread, then in 3 days time as a confirmed innocent you would be even more valuable to the town, does this not make sense to you ?
Then my defense:
He's trying to throw the suspicion into my direction. I'm not in any crime family, I did nothing in Night 1 and 2, and in Night 3 I failed to send my orders to protect someone. I believe Kommodus, GH, and LittleGrizzly can confirm this...(I already contacted Kommodus as early as Day or Night 1) we failed because we didn't manage to send orders in time (logged-in to Org at late hours)
I can confirm me GH Komm and tran were supposed to be doing some protection work night 3, the protection actually failed and i think Komm was the only one who actually sent his orders in. me, GH and tran were too late, but i think this is just down to the lateness with which we tried to organise the orders...
OK, crap. I think we lost. We should've gotten in a nice triple or quadruple lynch in on louis and andres and some more scum... now it could very well be too late.
I say let's hope for loads of crosskills.
I was hoping Sigurd but it doesn't seem to fit his writing style.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
We have so many lurkers, might be any of them. :shrug:
Also interesting developments around Louis, of course his survival is crucial for the town now because he will soon tell us all about the two other mafia families. ~:rolleyes:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
So Andres wants Louis lynched because his own mafia family was turned upside down.
~:rolleyes:
Remember that Louis wanted me to stay alive. That's not what you would expect from a pro-town player, is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
I'm gonna try and take sometime to look at the last few pages more closely, this doesn't really follow.
Please tell me you do not think Louis is a good guy. Surely the events of the past day have made him totally untrustworthy to the town, regardless of his intentions. Dutch_guy and Andres are clearly Stracchi and should be lynched or offed in some way eventually. I think we can assume Tran is innocent for the moment, though an investigation would be nice. Regardless, Dutch_guy and Andres have to die eventually for a townie win and Louis is impossible to trust at this point. Under the circumstances, leaving any of them alive is a very foolish idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Didn't you say that leaving me and GH alive was a no-no, given the fact that we showed up as criminal, even if we might be no more than neutral wise guys? No family in their right mind is going to trust Louis after this, so he'll already have all the private info about the mafia as he's going to get in this game. Given that he's proven to be utterly untrustworthy to the town, as proven by his abandonment of Glenn's protection group and then lying about it, is there any justification for keeping him alive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Louis has reached the end of his usefulness as a doubleteamer. He has to go, although at this point I still favour GH ahead of him (I have no idea why GH is still alive).
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Originally Posted by Proletariat
Good Luck! :cheesy:
I actually DO know who all the players are and a fair portion of what most of them intend....and I still took 2.5 hours to process it all. :shocked2: :dizzy:
GH, and many others, are still alive because no one would cooperate in the lynch..was it that hard to even out some votes? No, instead we all (not me) hopped on the Omanes bandwagon in a messy unvote, vote phase in which all the votes were taken from some and given to one...i remember someone saying "not a very co-operative bunch are we?"
Loius is the definate next lynch target. Hell, I doubt anyone will protect him tonight do to his double backstabs..im in a protection group but would anyone start a vig group? We could then get Loius out of the way and then focus our lynch efforts on the rest of the Straccis, or even start on another family if some investigators knew anything. BTW, has anyone heard from a detective as of yet?
Louis is reminding me of the wolf in capo 1. I also had to betray a couple families and it came back to bite me.
I'll have to reread and make sure this makes sense, but it appears that:
Andres and louis were under suspicion
louis decided to betray his family trying to save himself,andres,and the third wise guy who could then continue on. Remember that after one more kill by louis he would be a made and one of them could become a don. Andres went along with this I'm not entirely sure why.
After being lynched omanes admits to having been betrayed. ergo he was the don. Seems dutch guy was mafia with him but tran was not. Andres admits to being the made.
So andres, dutch guy, and louis should go.
I agree, if we let them live it wont be hard for them to reset up the family and that isn't good news for the town.
I believe that Louis was newly promoted to Made when he betrayed us - I had approved of it when Seamus had offered it (although I did consider it strange that it was offered after two kills rather than one). This basically means no going back to a pro-town status. He couldn't have become the Don without the approval and cooperation of Andres, so chose to allow him to live.
I assure you, the family will not be restarting using any original loyal member (Dutch_guy and Andres). Louis' intentions are probably to begin regrowing the family, but we are trying our very best to leave him with no materials to reconstruct it with. The Stracchi family's operation in Fatlington is dead and, if Seamus allows it, I am informed that all remaining members will be quitting the game at the end of this night phase.
This is fantastic. Let's just have only known mafia members tell the town what to do.
We have Andres, GH, Dutch Guy, Tran, and Sasaki yet Louis is the priority for a lynch?
Like Pan said, Louis can't do anything now, his trust is blown with everyone. Can we lynch some known mafia for once, then Louis? Trying to organise a multiple lynch is obviously an exercise in futility since right before the dead line Sasaki or GH or someone will come in and blow it again.
But at least we have mafiosi Andres and Omanes to tell the town what to do now!
:wall:
Please explain, in detail, your reasons for saying Sasaki is mafia. He is one of the few people I really trust right now. Unless you can justify yourself, I will be forced to conclude that you are intentionally steering the town down the wrong track. It would also be nice if you would explain your reasoning behind Tran, since the events of yesterday make it pretty clear that he was a red herring thrown out by Louis to cover up for Andres, while still exposing the rest of the Stracchi.
Unless a replacement for our inactive friend is found (crown! Come here now!) our organization is more or less defunct without Glenn. I am in contact with a detective. I urge any other detectives or pro-townies to come to me. I will serve as a clearing house for detective results and the organization of townie groups. I hope that the town can trust me at this point.
To begin. The entirety of results from my detective:
Night 2
Kommodus (criminal)
Andres (criminal).
Night 3
Sasaki (innocent)
Dutch_Guy (criminal)
Glenn and I also investigated on Night 2. Unfortunately we are no longer able to. Our result:
Crazed Rabbit (innocent)
Night 1 he was inactive. I fear for his safety. I'm ready to serve the town as mailman, until the mafia decides to kill me at least. I hope lady fortune smiles on me and I survive this night!
Your friendly neighborhood spokesman,
Jim
I happen to think Tran may be innocent, well i don't have proof of that i certaintly don't see much proof of him being guilty either...
Anyway, we thank Louis for giving us Dutch_Guy, Andres, and himself as next lynchable guys. I suggest that Dutch_Guy and Andres should be killed by vigilante groups.
That would be a bit of a waste of town time - they plan on leaving Fatlington after the night phase anyhow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius
Regardless of what any of you thought of me before, with my family pretty much dead, my loyalty is now towards the town.
Louis has one resource he can use to build himself up - the previously mentioned wise guy. Since he has been working with us for a single night so far, it will take two more night phases for him to become a Made so Louis can progress to Don status. If this wise guy is willing to work with him that is. There is also a chance of him trying to further build up a consortium of criminals and, if he doesn't bump into anybody dangerous to him, he could quickly have a network of them up and running. This alone is dangerous enough. He has had access to our investigative results, and some criminals turned up in them, probably assisting him in his objective.
Regardless of what you think, people will still work with Louis - although the remains of my mafia won't, and neither will the town, there always are the neutral wise guys/gals out there who may wish to assist in developing a new Stracchi family.
As said, Louis needs to be lynched/killed within the next two days at least. The longer he's left alive, the longer the family will have had to regenerate under his leadership. I don't want him to survive and I assure you that the town doesn't want to miss the chance to completely obliterate a mafia group.
You are allied to louis in some way? You defend him, attack the people he wants lynched, and accuse the people who attack him. Scummy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Some people forget that we made Louis the director....
Or why would Louis help us with a multiple lynch after we promised to lynch him later anyway?Quote:
Like Pan said, Louis can't do anything now, his trust is blown with everyone. Can we lynch some known mafia for once, then Louis? Trying to organise a multiple lynch is obviously an exercise in futility since right before the dead line Sasaki or GH or someone will come in and blow it again.
What we should do on the next, I'll say once we're there. ~D
It's currently night phase, so laying out a tactic for the town just gives the mafia the opportunity to change their kills around, trying to prevent our plans.
Wow, a lot has happened! But I'm finally up to date.
Andres, I strongly suggest sharing your incriminating information, you can't reveal PMs after death
Care to explain your voting before the dead line last night, Sasaki?
At first, you're leading the charge against Xdeath. Then Louis' reveal pops up, and you're all for lynching the three Stracchi's, but only as long as it's by a high enough margin so they can't themselves change the vote... or is it because you wanted to keep GH out of the tie?
That seems the most likely since you switched your vote by editing your in post 1537. That is against the rules, and you obviously knew it. Then it's pointed out in the thread, that the best option for the town is to lynch GH and two Stracchi's (killing GeneralScum and destroying the Stracchis) then all of a sudden you become skeptical and change your vote, along with GH.
You put out the effort to do a detailed vote tally in every post of yours from 1542, 1552, 1558, 1563, to 1575. But for some reason, with 4 minutes until the lynch, you post this
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...postcount=1604Quote:
I'm going to have to unvote, vote:GH
Some things bother me. My initial reason for trusting the reveal is innaccurate after rethinking. And now louis is refusing to post or send me the pm's with the stracchi family. If you just post them I'll switch back. Post 1604
Take a look at that post, compare it to Sasaki's others. They all have this
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For the first time he doesn't bother to do the tally, it's 4 minutes before we a had a tie that would've killed Omanes, Dutch Guy and General H.
Omanes died, but Sasaki saved Dutch Guy and General H.
Tincow, you can go ahead and believe I'm steering the town wrong because I don't trust Sasaki. But first take a look at Capo1 or any of the old large games Sasaki has been in. He's the best manipulator back here. This stunt Louis just pulled off is the kind of thing Sasaki does game in and game out. For awhile he would just get lynched every game first round because he can't be trusted. Do you remember what his previous sig was? A quote from Crazed Rabbit.
I don't care if Louis dies, it's pointless anyway now since no one protown or mafia will work with him. But we need to not get sidetracked by lynching people who aren't as dangerous as the actual mafia. Lynch Andres, Dutch Guy and GH. Then worry about Louis
Prole, have you considered the possibility that Louis hasnt been working alone? Wouldnt it be possible that he hails from some other mafia family then Stracchi originally? In that case leaving him alive sounds like a bad policy.
Yeah so we create a three-way tie and Louis, who is going to die anyway, will then simply lynch noone just to annoy us. :dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Thank you for responding Proletariat. Unfortunately your logic and conclusions are very flawed.
First, you say that Sasaki didn't include a post tally with his last-minute vote change.
This is true, but you blatantly ignore the fact that he posted an abbreviated tally two minutes later:Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...postcount=1607
Then you say:
This is also blatantly false. When Sasaki changed his vote, he changed it from Omanes to GH. Yesterday's vote tally is very confusing to me, but basic mathematics shows that removing a point from Omanes and adding one to GH cannot possibly have saved GH. Sasaki made it more likely that GH would be lynched, not less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
I have noticed that this is one of the major problems with this game. I am a complete Mafia noob, and it's obvious to me that many of you have pre-conceived notions about each others guilt and innocence based on earlier games. This is clouding the judgments of many, many people. You are basing your actions on expectations, not logic or evidence. I remember a post by you before saying that there was no fact or truth or absolutes (something along those lines) in Mafia. You could not be more wrong. I have been re-reviewing this thread from the start for the last hour or so and there is a TON of evidence available to us. A great deal of evidence based on investigations and analysis was put forward within the first day or two. A lot of that has turned out to be spot-on accurate due to the revealed information on (and by) Drisos, Andres, and Louis. At the time the information was revealed, no one could trust it, but that same information is now solid gold. To ignore it is either sheer ignorance or intentional misdirection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
I have watched you throughout this thread and you continuously make posts that make massive errors in logic and reasoning. Even now, after there is a ton of evidence that we can use to ferret out the mafia members, you ignore it, fabricate your own, and accuse people like Tran that are, at most, slightly suspect. In fact, you have only made one post in this entire thread that includes any decent analysis or argument at all: this post about GH.
It may be true that I have no experience playing Mafia, but perhaps you have too much. Even if you are an innocent townie, you are actively harming our efforts with your posts. Get your mind in order and get on the ball, or stay quiet.
The best defense is a good offense huh? Quite a smokescreen you have here. Please explain your actions supporting louis.
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Btw, GH was a wise guy to start the game. Louis is now a made. So your insistence on lynching GH before him is suspect. GH I think would try to join a mafia family if he was a wise guy. There's no evidence that he's succeeded. I shied away from him yesterday because louis was insisting on his lynch. He's a good candidate for lynch, but on the level of xdeathfire, not louis/andres/dutch guy.
Pretty much everybody with a big mouth is a good lynch canditate. :inquisitive:
I also want to note that certain people who shall remain unnamed have a full PM box...
But don't worry, it's not Seamus so my kills arrived in time. ~D