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Look, I don't have a better defense than the above. I haven't played a single game of mafia in nearly three years, I'm not exactly running at peak efficiency here. If you hold me to the same standard as you did in the glory days you're going to be sorely disappointed.
Well, no. I'd rather have a possible replacement, btw, but everyone so far seems to be interested in actually playing. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
No posting after death? Crap, now I need to work harder to save myself.
GH's constant undermining of his skill is hard for me to get my head around. Most of us, like GH, played many games several years ago. Myself, I hadn't played a mafia game since 2011 until this one. You're still a good player, and yet you never admitted to messaging Visor until he revealed it. That's worrying to me.
This, though... I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly, but it sounds like, "OMGUS isn't a scumtell, but it would make people think I'm scum." That's pseudo-logic. I'm not buying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BSmith
Vote:BSmith
So, is there anything of substance here? If I was going to switch from GH to someone else, it'd be a toss up between you and the guy you're accusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
@BSmith
You gave me townie vibes on D1, and I buy your line on the OMGUS thing. But today's contribution has been lacking. The way things are going, you're getting lynched sooner or later, and if you don't start putting yourself about a bit more, then we're not going to learn much from your death.
That could be said for a lot of people here. I don't know when the last time I played a game was.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I'm definitely suspicious of you, but that's mainly based on the PM. Your behavior in the thread is much less so imo. There have been one or two posts that sort of pinged my radar, but for the most part seems fine. That being said I don't find BSmith to be that suspicious either. I find both khaan and Montmorency suspicious, so I'll just unvote:GH, Vote:Montmorency
Vote: Monty
Hasn't really made a lot of sense so far, and I'm still waiting for something to become clear.
Or even murky.
DAY TWO
BSmith was lynched. Believe it or not, the cellphone-poster was a Townie!
BSmith: seireikhaan; Ishmael; landlubber
seireikhaan: Montmorency; BSmith
GeneralHankerchief: WinstonHughes
Montmorency: Csargo; johnhughthom
Not voting: GeneralHankerchief (1×)
Player list
1. GeneralHankerchief
2.Visorslash, Survivor, Lynched on Day One
3.BSmith, Townie, Lynched on Day Two
4. Ishmael
5. seireikhaan
6. johnhughthom
7.Kagemusha, Townie, Killed by Mafia on Night One
8. Csargo
9. Winston Hughes
10. Montmorency
11. landlubber
It is now NIGHT TWO.
Time remaining:
NIGHT TWO
Csargo, a Townie, was found dead in the morning. The mafia had killed him to death.
Player list
1. GeneralHankerchief
2.Visorslash, Survivor, Lynched on Day One
3.BSmith, Townie, Lynched on Day Two
4. Ishmael
5. seireikhaan
6. johnhughthom
7.Kagemusha, Townie, Killed by Mafia on Night One
8.Csargo, Townie, Killed by Mafia on Night Two
9. Winston Hughes
10. Montmorency
11. landlubber
It is now DAY THREE.
Time remaining:
@Ishmael, where are you?
What do you make of Khaan?
GM's note: I have added Day Two's tally, which I'd left out of Day Two's post.
I've also added a list of updates, with links and dates, to the OP.
I'd like to hear more from JHT. What do you make of everyone so far?
Hmmm, well that's unfortunate for me. I'd take another look at GH imo. I thought for some reason he had voted BSmith last round, which wasn't the case. I wouldn't have changed my vote had I realized that. Anyways good luck townies and I'll bow out now. :bow:
As I mentioned yesterday I've been keeping an eye on him, but I'm just not finding him to be particularly scummy. I think there are definitely worse lynches than him, but there are probably also better ones as well (I'm just not sure who they are, yet).Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Vote: Ishmael
This is LYLO. Ishmael is scum.
I was under the impression that tomorrow is LyLo? At any rate, do you believe 'khaan is my partner?
You and Khaan are my top suspects, though not necessarily as a team.
This isn't technically LYLO with 7 players, sorry.
I'm not getting very good vibes from Ishmael either, but it seems to me that johnhughthom has been keeping a very, very low profile so far, and that worries me. We haven't seen a lot of contribution from him yet. For now, vote:johnhughthom until I see some solid analysis from him.
vote: GH
Still not seeing any better case.
:shrug: I've never been one for posting for the sake of posting, if I've nothing to say, I'll say nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by landlubber
The only thing that has really jumped out at me was Monty yesterday, but I'm not sure it's worth a vote.
Solid analysis? Not my style.
I remember you being the quiet type, so I'm not all that surprised, but I really thought you'd have suspicions on someone, anyone. We've got a lot to work with here. Still, I don't have very good reason to think JHT scum, and I'd like to think he'd put up more of a fight as mafia.
So, who do we have left? Monty's gotten in my good graces today, I think he's been helpful, and . Winston's behavior strikes me as very normal for him. I'm not really understanding the case on Khaan-- I actually liked his logic during D1, struck me quite townie. Given the choice between GH and Ishmael, I think I'll have to go for unvote, vote: Ishmael. The "there's someone scummy in this thread, I'm just not sure who" thing doesn't do it for me. I definitely wouldn't mind a GH lynch, though. Reaching out to Visor was certainly something I wouldn't have done as town, and there was no reason to tell Visor about the "trap" anyway if all he wanted to do was analyze other peoples's behavior.
Vote: Winston Hughes
You were quite rarin' to go on D1 and were quite on board with the Visor lynch. You 'bailed' off it and then switched back later, allegedly to stop a townie lynch, but your phrasing of "has to be" seems very off to me if that was indeed your goal.Since then, you've simply sat on voting for GH without really putting much explanation into it, a tactic I've used myself plenty of times as mafia. It makes you seem less random and like you actually have a goal when you really just want to toss a vote somewhere so people won't accost you.
Also, silly kids these days. I'm *always* scummy.
What's LyLo? Lynch wrong and lose?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishmael
Anyway, khaan's logic on Winston looks pretty solid and I agree that the tactic mentioned is something I've done in the past as well. Therefore:
Vote: Winston
I'm not going to defend myself over my D1 actions any further, fyi, as I believe the argument's been played out and nothing new will be added.
Also I might not be home before deadline tomorrow, will try to address any issues that arise overnight (western hemisphere) in the morning before I head to work.
What? That makes no sense at all. The words 'has to be' indicate precisely what I was thinking: that there was no better viable lynch.Quote:
Originally Posted by seireikhaan
Again, what? No explanation? The reasons behind my vote have been stated more thoroughly and more clearly than any other vote around right now. The reason I've not continued to explain it is because everyone already knows it, and GH has offered only a handwave of a defence to what was said before. I could restate it all, but what's the point if he's not going to engage?Quote:
Originally Posted by seireikhaan
Voting for me on khaan's logic - that I'm just parking my vote without further discussion - whilst refusing further discussion on the subject?Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
If you're not scum, I have no idea what you've been trying to do in this game.
Sorry, but for me that didn't really indicate much at all. The only thing I get out of that is that you think he has to be the lynch, which could be for multiple lynches; in other words, it meant nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
Humor me, sweetheart. I don't really get the suspicion over PM'ing. It was pretty clearly a stupid bandwagon waiting to be made, so GH wanted to see if any bad guys would latch onto it. So as far as I am concerned, you haven't really explained much in terms of exactly *why* you think that's scummy. Neither myself nor GH have played a game in... damn, what 2, 3 years? He got friendly with someone who was almost certainly not the mafia. :shrug: So what's the deal?Quote:
Again, what? No explanation? The reasons behind my vote have been stated more thoroughly and more clearly than any other vote around right now. The reason I've not continued to explain it is because everyone already knows it, and GH has offered only a handwave of a defence to what was said before. I could restate it all, but what's the point if he's not going to engage?
And regardless, I just really didn't like your vote today especially. It's nothing personal- it's just that you are voting in a pattern I frequently use myself when I am mafia. Find something to latch onto, pretend you're tunneling so you don't have to consider other options, and hope people don't call you on it. It's surprisingly effective for a while.
For those who don't remember, here is the original case on GH:
*He threw a very gentle vote at Visor right at the start of D1, an obvious vote placed where it was least likely to generate suspicion.
*He then contacted Visor in private to tell him that the vote was only temporary, for which there is no townie justification yet stated.
*Once other people had posted more substantive and provocative cases for lynching Visor, GH switched his vote to BSmith, who was already shaping up to be the game's #1 non-Visor lynch bait.
*He then went on to claim that his accusation of Visor was just 'fishing for responses', which is deeply unconvincing, given how hedged and unprovocative his case was.
To all that, we can now add:
*He's offered only a handwaving defence to the above, apparently hoping that the matter will just fade away.
*He skipped his vote yesterday, and choose to hop on khaan's paper thin case against me today. Where's the scumhunting?
They indicated my thoughts at the time: that Visor had to be the lynch. I'd tried pushing someone I thought might actually be scum, but it hadn't worked, and (iirc) the only real alternative looked to be BSmith, who I thought very likely town (because he's much better at avoiding suspicion when he's scum). All of which I thought was pretty clear at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by seireikhaan
It's pretty simple really. The idea that the scum would threaten Visor was never a viable one, imo. What they might very well do, however, is offer a subtle wink in his direction - a hint that his survival chances might be improved by playing nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by seireikhaan
Have to go now, but I'll try to get back on later to address some other points.
Okay, this is silly.
What the heck is a "Very gentle vote"? He voted visor immediately after the reveal. Starting a possible bandwagon is neither gentle, nor a place that doesn't generate suspicion. If it didn't generate suspicion, why are you so suspicious of it? :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
For which you have also failed to provide a mafia justification- rather, you are simply parroting "he talked in private, that is bad". Wanting not to be lynched is an admirable quality of townies as well.Quote:
*He then contacted Visor in private to tell him that the vote was only temporary, for which there is no townie justification yet stated.
He was already shaping up to be the game's #1 non-visor lynch... when GH lodged the first vote of anyone to him. Right.Quote:
*Once other people had posted more substantive and provocative cases for lynching Visor, GH switched his vote to BSmith, who was already shaping up to be the game's #1 non-Visor lynch bait.
So let me get this straight. You think GH, as a mafia, sent a PM to someone who he would know is innocent, saying he was fishing and would switch later... which is exactly what he did. What exactly does a mafioso gain from putting himself out like that on day 1? How bad at this game do you think GH is? And I think you confuse "concise" with "hedged". Hedged is what Bsmith was doing(and why he got lynched). One does not need a Pizzaguy thesis to fish.Quote:
*He then went on to claim that his accusation of Visor was just 'fishing for responses', which is deeply unconvincing, given how hedged and unprovocative his case was.
What exactly is a defense for an argument that consists of "you did this, this is bad?" If you want a good defense, you should try a good offense.Quote:
To all that, we can now add:
*He's offered only a handwaving defence to the above, apparently hoping that the matter will just fade away.
And *my* case is paper-thin. :rolleyes: You want scumhunting, I suggest you try it. Instead of basing your argument on "did x, x is bad because reasons", try basing it on experiences. Really, if you wanted a case against GH, the scummiest thing he's done is pointing out he wouldn't be on for a bit a few posts ago(something he did precisely the last time he was a scumbag).Quote:
*He skipped his vote yesterday, and choose to hop on khaan's paper thin case against me today. Where's the scumhunting?