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Yea, make them like Amulvagars or whatever. Also, could you make just "plain samurai" with good armor, attack, and so forth, but not so powerful. To add the effect, you know. Also, we could use a few more ships, like heavy warships and armored gunships. Also, just a side note, could we have a Korean campaign, got a history fair project on it, just wanted to get some JPEGS and TGAs.
Yea, make them like Amulvagars or whatever. Also, could you make just "plain samurai" with good armor, attack, and so forth, but not so powerful. To add the effect, you know. Also, we could use a few more ships, like heavy warships and armored gunships. Also, just a side note, could we have a Korean campaign, got a history fair project on it, just wanted to get some JPEGS and TGAs.
Yea, make them like Amulvagars or whatever. Also, could you make just "plain samurai" with good armor, attack, and so forth, but not so powerful. To add the effect, you know. Also, we could use a few more ships, like heavy warships and armored gunships. Also, just a side note, could we have a Korean campaign, got a history fair project on it, just wanted to get some JPEGS and TGAs.
Just wanted to reinforce the idea http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif
anyway sorry.
The Beta STW mod is online at Mizu server
click the files link at the top of the forum page, then look in Stats
the Beta STW mod is also online at 3D
3D download link > OPEN THIS PAGE < ckick this link
if you downloaded the mod from the beta upload directory you NEED the new unit prod file from the same directory,
Mizu Server and 3D already have this new unit prod file.
Download the file (or files) extract the directory structure in the zip into a spare directory,
make a clean fresh install of MTW, and Viking Expansion AND patch 2.01,
then copy the entire extracted directory structure into your clean copy and accept all overwrites - there aren't that many, mostly just the loc files get changed.
any problems READ the read me file.
NOW
this IS definately a beta, i expect and hope you lot will find some bugs - i am sure there are a couple, nothing terminal, just glitches,
FOR EXAMPLE
some scrolling maps dont work - i need to know which ones,
which province was attacked AND which province the attack was launched rfom
(READ THE README)
READ ME FILE (this file is included in the download)
November 2 2003
Hi,
this is the read me for the BETA release of the Shogun Mod for MTW-VI patched to 2.01
There is a new campaign map, a new campaign, some units you will be familiar with,
and some you won't, we ran out of custom unit folders, so ninjas use the samurai archer folder.
Many name changes to units and buildings, but you'll get the hang of it,
INSTALL
extract this file set to a spare directory,
make sure you have a CLEAN copy of MTW Viking Invasions, WITH the patch 2.01
no other mods, no campaigns in progress,
then simply drag and drop this folder structure into your medieval directory,
accept all over writes,
when you get to the campaign selection screen scroll down the list,
the Shogun campaign will be the last one in that list.
KNOWN ISSUES
Speckling - the way Shogun and Medieval handles faction colours on units is different,
expect to see some "speckling" on the units uniforms, flags and weapons, short of recolouring all the animations there is no real way to fix that.
Daimyo's and heirs - these are not all sorted yet,
they will be done for the full release, you have a small sample set for now,
their stats are all wrong, i have yet to complete research on them.
Generals and Heroes, not finished,
you will see some generals appear with the name "spare hero slot",
thats is intended, they will be filled for the release.
Mongols - not here yet,
time got away from me and i did not have time to get all the artwork done,
Scrolling maps on campaign pre battle screens - these dont all work yet,
i still have to make/duplicate some, it appears we ran into a few terrain mixes the dev's never thought of,
STILL i do not know all of them
if you see any please make a note of it and let me know WHICH province the attack was launched FROM and WHICH province was being attacked.
Province income - not finalised yet - BUILD FARMS
Trade income - not finalised yet
Units - not finalised yet, there are more to come - :-)
Faction and province bonuses, not finished, doen very roughly for this release
Clans - not all there yet, plenty more to come,
Starting positions and Units - not finalised,
no doubt as soon as i upload this i will think of more,
visit us down in the Dungeon (Alchemist Lab) at The Org
http://www.totalwar.org
Barocca
2 november 2003
*this is me hopeing that yari samurai and yari cav have a bonus attcking cav*
A brilliant mod Barocca well done One question and I have noticed this with other mods. Why are there no corpses on field of battle. That is my only disappointment as it takes away the realism of battle. Is this a problem you modders can't solve?
>The Beta STW mod is online at Mizu server click the files link at the top of the forum page, then look in Stats
the Beta STW mod is also online at 3D 3D download link > OPEN THIS PAGE < ckick this link if you downloaded the mod from the beta upload directory you NEED the new unit prod file from the same directory,
Mizu Server and 3D already have this new unit prod file.
Download the file (or files) extract the directory structure in the zip into a spare directory,
[B]
Help??? I downloaded the files from the upload directory. When I click on the link, there is the 35mb dl, no FILES at the top of the page. Clicking on Previous, I see all the files, but nothing that leads me to believe "this is the file I need."
I know I'm not all that bright, so I could use a little more direction here. What file aside from the 18 zip files do I need and where can I get it?
Thanks,
OBG
at the top of this page, is a list of links,
your control panl, chat, files, log out, etc.
from the files link a blue popup window should appear,
that is Mizu Server,
click the stats link under the MTW heading on that page
Beta_STW_Mod (VI) is the only file you'll need
if you go to the link provided for 3D there is only one file,
thats all you need,
if you downloaded from the beta upload directory you need to go and get
STW_9_unit_prod.zip
as well as the 18 files BETA_STW_MOD_SPLIT_18 pieces
B.
The deadpage stuff is really quite complicated to generate/amend - principally due to the lack of space in the LBM. Even CA had problems in this area with the VI release.Quote:
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Thee are ways around this however, such as making the images smaller, doubling up dead images for different generic units, using only 2 camera angles etc .
We do have a utility to generate such deadpage stuff (written for the ME:TW team project) called BDP that both generates the deadpage graphic LBM and computes all the corrdinates. As yet, however, it is'nt documented so I can't release it. Maybe in a couple of months - unless someone wants it now, documentation less, in order to play about with it.
deadpage
i know there were some 4v4's the other night by people using the mod, i am waiting for a definiative reply on lag,
the deadpage file is 30k approximate,
each man requires that file to be opened to display his corpse on the filed,
it has always seemed to me that as long as all players were connected the game got laggier and laggier until people starting exiting after they have lost all men,
i am thinking not having dead displayed may reduce lag,
requires serious testing to confirm.
B.
Wow, any other forum and he would have gotten flamed for sure, explains how great this one is. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gifQuote:
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I love the mod, cant wait to try it out, sounds so cool. I have always wanted to play a shogunMedieval mod.
Lancer
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Barocca, I just dl'd the whole thing, installed, and WOW, it's terrific Love it, madly, although it's going to be awhile before I learn all the troop-types and buildings. I didn't play Shogun TW, so I'm starting from way back.
Well done, mate. Can't wait to see it progress.
From all of us, thanks.
Kii has a bonus for Naginata but no iron = no Naginata
Mikawa Port appears on the Totomi Sea but when it builds ships they appear in the Ise Bay
Uesugi builds ships. Period. Full stacks of Useugi ships all over.
Hojo has stayed in their home provinces in both games so far.
There seems to be an emphasis on spending for buildings instead of troops. I find it strange because in the first game I was invaded and each neighbor had sizeable garrisons. In the second game no one is doing anything besides teching up. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/confused.gif No wars for the first sixty turns of the second game.
Rebel ships are an insane nuisance. They produce them so fast I can barely keep up. Rebels built troops in the first game and ships in the second game, no cross over.
1st game Takeda Expert
2nd game Oda Hard
I've had two castle assaults neither of which had an actual castle. I'm guessing no castles placed yet. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif
Enjoying it so far. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
yeah i think uesugi builds far too many ships instead of building troops and taking out the rebels or the date clan (remember ships are great, if you have troops to move) otomo and date clans don't get heirs so they die out in the first generation. very few trade goods on the right side of the map (plenty on kyshu) other than that the strategy images need a bit of polish. rebels given armies clans given more provinces. that is all i can say on the negative bug side otherwise the game is great for an expansion mod keep on going. if you need any help send the file to me and ill see what i can do.
thanks dessa
Good job so far (stats need some changing of course).
2 questions....
1. How did u arrive at unit cost?
2. What florin level would u recommend for custom/mp?
:-)
keep comments and bugs coming
a little update pack will be online soon (I'll yell when it is), it adds 2 more clans (i want to add 2 more today),
fixes the date and otomo heirs bug thingy, fixes the naginata bug thingy, adjust some of the flags...
two castle assaults neither of which had an actual castle
do you remmeber which provinces failed to have maps for castle assaults??
...the strategy images need a bit of polish...
??? the "army stacks'?? or something else?
otomo and date clans don't get heirs so they die out in the first generation.
fixed :-) - gave them MALE heirs - all they were getting was princesses... DOH
naginata bonus, but no iron
fixed, naginata no longer need iron to build, same with nag cav, still they need some decent buildings before you can build them, but they can be anywhere now.
unit and building costs,
unit costs were/are a temporary fix to overcome a bug in the sliding scale + missile unit discount forumla,
they will most likely be toned down a little,
i think 10k to 15K is a good florin limit for online games,
using the current unit structure.
rebels do one of two things,
tech up early, or build tons of troops and try to crush the clans erly,
if the rebels tech up early then they build units later, and high tech rebels can be a right pain to bring under control...
why do they do that? - i have absolutely no idea
WILL yell out when i have finished the update and let you all know where i stashed it...
The only one I remember for certain was Totomi. I incorrectly assumed that castles must be coming later, sorry.Quote:
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When you set your ships to attack enemy ships you get a sailing icon (ship with sails puffed out) instead of the little black cloud that usually accompanies a pending naval engagement. Minor, but it can be confusing when you are moving high volumes of ships to counter the rebel fleet hordes.
Are you planning on changing the tech requirements? Like making the Tranquil Garden a pre-requisite for the Buddhist Temple? As it stands now I can make both NoDachi and Monks even when I don't build the Yari dojo. I know there is no famous swordsmen event in MTW so maybe NoDachi should require second level Yari dojo? Is there going to be more than one level of shipbuilder or more than one type of ship?
What year does the campaign end?
Playing the Otomo on Expert and since Mori is my closest neighber we've fought a half dozen battles already. These two factions colors are really difficult to tell apart on the battlefield. It might not bother anyone else, but I am constantly clicking the wrong unit which isn't usually good.
Lord Spare Hero Slot is currently my best general. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif
Will you be adjusting speed of units (seems way too fast right now e.g. no dachi going 18 mph, yeah right)and no dachi killing cav?
i mean like the buildings on the bottom of the screen when you click on a province it's no biggie but they look a bit blurry especially 20% farmland ill see what i can do to help.Quote:
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thanks dessa
ships
there is a little flag that appears at the bow of a ship when it is attacking,
i may make that a bit more obvious if i can.
tech tree
make sword dojo and temple require yari dojo?
reasonable idea, will have a fiddle with that
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Otomi and Mori
this is odd, on my machine one is orange the other is red, but you are not the only person to comment on that,
will see if i can make the orange a little more "yellow"...
campaign end
1877 (i think)
Lord Spare Hero Slot
well...i need more heroes
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there is a topic in the sword dojo here at the org where you can submit heroes, on page three of that thread is a link to a japanese / english dictionary :-)
units need tweaking,
the current mix was designed and tested BEFORE the patch,
i think the patch changed some other factors in the combat calculations - am seeing odd things here too...
No-Dachi were very light armoured, i actually like having them very fast but maybe they are a fraction too quick,
also i think cav may need speed increase...
review panel pics blurry??
what screen resolution are you running?
they were built on a resolution of 800x600 and i am currently 1024x768...
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thanks, keep the input coming
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B.
at first i had my res at 800 by 600 but then i put it up to 1024 by ???? thanks dessa
Just wondering when the patch is to come out, and with the korea campaign could you please add that. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif
Thanks Wellington for explaining why the dead are missing from the field of combat. Hopefully in the not too distant future you ace modders would have cracked this aggravating problem Keep up the good work we all appreciate the hard work you guys put into Totalwar, eases the pain of the wait for RTW.
Korea campaign - that would require a new map, a complete new map,
maybe something to do much later
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I don't remember the province names, but one with a river (Musashi or something? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/confused.gif ) anyways, is there a way to change it so the map depends on where you attack from, like in MTW? I held almost all the provinces around this one, and no matter where I attacked from, I was going to fight a bridge battle. I know that would happen from one side, but it shouldn't from above or the other side.
3DDownloads sux...is there any other place i can download this mod? im dying to try it...
You could also download it at the "Files"-section (ubove at your forum board. Near your controllpanel).Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
Or download it right here with this link:
Shogun Mod
awesome..thanks for a lot for your help http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif
river battles
Sun Tzu tells us to seize every advantage,
thus i will always defend my province from the best defensible position,
behind the river.
Thus if their is a river then the defender will always setup behind it.
I have taken bridge maps where i was the attacker with nothing more than ashi's against yari sams, yari archers and naginata.
You need x-bows and plenty of ashigaru (more is better),
Line you x-bows up either side of the bridge, 3 ranks each unit and 2 units deep,
send a unit of ashi across at a walk,
as soon as the enemy move to intercept (when you are about 2/3 of the way across) HALT,
when the enemy unit gets close to their end of the bridge order your ashi to march back to your side, the enemy unit will persue if they are close enough,
have your x-bows set on HOLD FORMATION and FIRE AT WILL - they will shoot the daylights out of the enmy unit,
to "pin" the uit in place, once all your x-bows are firing charge your ashi unit back at them AND move another ashi unit to the ramp on your side of the bridge,
set THAT ashi unit on HOLD FORMATION.
The idea is your ashi are pincushions for the enemy archers - archers will run out of arrows before you run out of crossbow bolts,
and your ashi are "teasers", to get the enemy within range of your x-bows,
Eventually the enemy will pull back when an ashi unit marches across,
this is the time to move your entire force, IN PIECES across the bridge,
send a couple of units of ashi, have them form up at the opposite ramp,
then send 2 xbows across, then 2 more ashi, then 2 more x-bows,
until you have your entire force across,
then advance carefully,
keep ashi units close together,
and let the enemy charge YOU.
Let the x-bows do plenty of damage,
and ashi are expendable, keep the x-bows firing at all times during this phase.
B.