Re: No Joke: GOLD Thursday, 9/9 P.D.T
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Originally Posted by The_Emperor
Don't patronize me, I know full well what Windows does to the Regristry in many of its basic functions.
But in the end most of those alterations that having a Cd in the drive upon boot could possibily cause are so minor as to be inconsequential!
Your getting nervous about nothing, and if you are nervous about your registry you can always make a backup of the registry!
No, you clearly aren't aware. You didn't even know what the no CD crack did when this discussion started. You did not know why most of us like it. And you called us a bunch of pirates--not particularly nice and certainly not accurate. Furthermore, you dismiss registry problems with the "you can make a backup."
Windows frequently makes backups too, yet when Windows corrupts its registry, it is also prone to pull in backups with some of the same corruptions since this can happen in phases. (Try booting a couple of times with a marginal memory stick--that's an eye opener as to how bad Windows can toast itself.) So telling someone they should backup their registry every time before they run the game is assinine. This unneeded step also gets back to the convenience aspect--what the heck do we need the CD in their for anyway? While I make registry backups at times when doing regedits, it is beyond the skill level of many to do so, AND properly employ the backup if they have trouble.
Your argument is in effect, "Why should anyone want a pencil? Pens work fine. If you make a mistake use correction fluid, or throw away the page you were writing on and start over. I think the real reason people want to use pencils is to cheat by erasing their mistakes." I didn't come in here and call you an imbecile for running with the inferior original .exe (nor say that you should), so I don't think you should go around calling people pirates.
And for the record, I started using the no CD crack after MTW appeared to have been involved in corruptions to a machine that eventually required a format to fix. (I rarely format, my older machine has been running 4 years on the current OS install and still runs smooth each day with heavy use.) So much about getting nervous about nothing. Care to try again? You are batting zero right now.
Re: No Joke: GOLD Thursday, 9/9 P.D.T
Why thank you i am honoured
Re: No Joke: GOLD Thursday, 9/9 P.D.T
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Originally Posted by jerome
Noted, it will be discussed with the Powers that Be.
As to the whole piracy debate: it's illegal. It's also morally wrong - we've worked damn hard to get this game out the door, and when you play a cracked, illegal, unlicensed version, that's the dev team's bread & butter you're stealing. It's also harmful to CA and the future games we can create - if Rome doesn't sell, we won't be able to get as large a budget for the next game, and quality will suffer. And lastly it's also harmful to Activision, who as the publisher are often portrayed in the worst possible light in these things, but who've taken chances by allowing us to add innovative features and giving us the time to get the game up that extra level in quality, and should receive credit and their fair share for that.
It's not an abstract, wishy washy thing. This is the hard nuts and bolts of how it works, and these things do affect us -- and not only us but also ultimately our loyal fans and the Total War community as a whole. It is not possible to seperate them.
why thank you i am honoured
Re: No Joke: GOLD Thursday, 9/9 P.D.T
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Originally Posted by Red Harvest
From the sound of it, you might want to find some better mates. Mine wouldn't be too keen on pirating as you suggest.
Beware of assumptions...especially ones where you are flat out mistaken and where you impugn the character of every one on the opposite side of the discussion. Calling every one who uses no CD cracks pirates is assinine (as you did in a roundabout way.) If you want to dig out the CD every time you swap apps, terrific. If you want it fiddling with your registry, terrific. Many of us don't. However, until we educated you on the issue you weren't even aware.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I'm surprised. Those kind of assumptions are very unlike The_Emperor. :sad:
Re: No Joke: GOLD Thursday, 9/9 P.D.T
Red Harvest I think you are being a little overaggressive for a mod in your responses the Emperor. While he may not have used the best choice of words, it's pretty obvious what he meant was that the main reason why no_CD patches are downloaded is for piracy, not that each and every person downloads them for that reason. Now, that former claim may or may not be true, statistically. But I am 100% sure he did not mean to imply that you were a pirate.
One thing I like about the org is that, even with the fervent political debating in the Tavern, it is remarkably good tempered and posters are usually courteous.
Re: No Joke: GOLD Thursday, 9/9 P.D.T
Ok now I certainly didn't intend for this discussion to get this heated, but it seems we both have probably got the wrong end of the stick. I will try to answer your points, & if I may have offended you in any way I apologise.
Now I will attempt to answer the points in your responses.
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No, you clearly aren't aware. You didn't even know what the no CD crack did when this discussion started. You did not know why most of us like it. And you called us a bunch of pirates--not particularly nice and certainly not accurate. Furthermore, you dismiss registry problems with the "you can make a backup."
As Simon stated, I was merely saying that the reason why some people use no cd cracks is for piracy. Now if a person doesn't need the CD to run the game there is nothing stopping their cd's being passed on and used again & so forth... It is the main reason why games needing to read from the CD were initially designed, to prevent people from installing a game and then installing it on another PC (people were used to that from the good ole days of Shareware).
You may well use them for your own reasons, but the use of one does break that part of many EULA's that states you will not alter how the program will run or make any (modding aside) changes to it. So in that respect you are breaking the legal agreement to use the software.
As for registry problems...
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Windows frequently makes backups too, yet when Windows corrupts its registry, it is also prone to pull in backups with some of the same corruptions since this can happen in phases. (Try booting a couple of times with a marginal memory stick--that's an eye opener as to how bad Windows can toast itself.) So telling someone they should backup their registry every time before they run the game is assinine. This unneeded step also gets back to the convenience aspect--what the heck do we need the CD in their for anyway? While I make registry backups at times when doing regedits, it is beyond the skill level of many to do so, AND properly employ the backup if they have trouble.
Now I work as an IT Sys Admin and this is something I know well. Windows itself is a god awful operating system in terms of reliability (and security) and even if you succeed in preventing the registy from being overwritten, sooner or later you will get a major error where either the Registry or Windows system files are corrupted.
Its the nature of the beast. The only option to prevent corruption is to make it so that the registry cannot be written to, but what does that do? Thats right makes it so you cannot install, uninstall programs and generally makes your computer practically unchangeable and more prone to problems.
I'm basically saying that no matter what you do, Windows do break and sooner or later you will have to reinstall everything again. That is why it is good practice to backup your data and reinstall Windows after a significant length of time.
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From the sound of it, you might want to find some better mates. Mine wouldn't be too keen on pirating as you suggest.
I never said my mates were into piracy of this nature, therefore I am not comfortable with you making such a misunderstood statement about my friends without knowing them...
But my basis for that statement about how cd-cracks are used comes from the fact that I have met many people (some former work colleagues, & some from when i was in College) who did admit that they download games and use Cd cracks for the purpose of not having to pay the ever increasing price for them. Now never once have I met someone who used a cd-crack for any other use than to pirate the software...
Piracy is why those hackers make them, and like them or loathe them their use is still very dodgey.
Re: No Joke: GOLD Thursday, 9/9 P.D.T
This thread has gone off-topic.
Purpose served.
If you want a discussion on no-cd patches, use the Tavern.
