Whats your favorite faction?

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Originally Posted by ShapolioKhan

Between 11th and 18th centuries Turks ruled the world...as Rome did some in BC and until Hun Turks came and moved the other factions on Rome...

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I am very interested to know where did you learn history my friend!!!the turks ruled the world from 11th until 18thcentury?LOL thats a very interesting aponion but you maybe FIXED it your self because in the 11th century in the dynasty of Komnhnoi in Byzantium the greek have pulled out the turks from the greek soil and after the death of Suleiman the magnificent in the 16th century,if i am not mistaken,the ottoman empire was always in decline.as it losted all the wars(agaisnt the russians 2 wars,against the austrians and the greek rebelion and more which i dont remember now...)and almost all its territory!!!

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Originally Posted by scourgeofrome

I know that Byzantine Empire became a Greek/Middle Ages cultured region. I said they were "Romans" because they were the Eastern Part of the Empire and the true succesor to the Roman Empire while the HRE was a coalition of German states which didn't come under direct Roman control (except at a small time period during Augustus's regin).

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Thats correct because in the middle ages the word greek and roman was the same thing as they were the mixsture of greek-romans in the roman eastern part.when other nations refered to them they were calling them or greek or romans and the empire was known as the roman empire.the term byzantine empire came much after

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Originally Posted by BaldwinIV

The Byzantines are Greeks not Romans but they keep a huge part of the old Roman traditions.

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thats wrong cause as i said again the romans and the greeks were the same in the middle ages as the greeks consumed the romans.and the greek byzantium WAS the roman empire!!!

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Originally Posted by BaldwinIV

It is same with the Byzantines. Empire with mainly Greek, Slavic and Turkish population is impossible to become a "true" Roman Empire.

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in the byzantine empire lived only greeks or greek-romans if you prefer and turkish slavic population was a very small minority of the population.and you want to know the ancient romans when they conquered greece,but even before when they came in contact with the greek elememt in the southern italy they got the same culture the same gods and the same traditions.that was the 1st step of the greek-roman cultural,political and ethnical unification

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Originally Posted by edyzmedieval

Basileia ton Rhomaion!! :2thumbsup:

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thts it my lad<<Basileia ton Romaion>>thts the tru spirit.You have stydied greek or you have found it somewhere?

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Originally Posted by Kavhan Isbul

Basileus, you are right about many things, but I cannot help but jump in with the point of view of yet another Bulgarian. As you write yourself, it is absolutely true that the concept of nation did not exist, but there was a strong concept of ethnicity and people had a very clear idea of which one they beloged to - whether they were Greek, Armenian, Slav, etc. If you could go back in time and ask a trader from Thessalonika what he is, I am quite sure he will not reply that he is a "Roman", but he will most probably just mention that he is a Greek from Thessalonika. I completely agree with you that Bizantium is not the correct name and that it should be called the Eastern Roman Empire, but apart from the name, it was an Orthodox Empire, predominantly Greek in terms of population, ruled by Greeks (well, there was an occasional Armenian at the throne, but for the most part the Emperors were Greeks), with Greek as the official language. The clergy, together with the Patriarch were Greeks too, and they preached in Greek. Therefore, while there is no denying that the Eastern Roman Empire was a successor to Rome, I cannot agree that it was inhabited by Romans, and especially that its leaders were Romans, purely ethnically and culturally speaking.

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I would have to disagree, people within the ERE would not have thought of themselves as greek, and it is wrong to describe the majority of the emporers as greek as they would not have thought about themselves in this manner.

greek ethnicity is a very tangled concept as greek cultural and political dominance (particularly post alexander) made greek the lingua franca, and many people who were not ethnically greek ended up adopting it. a rough equivelant would be how presently speaking english as a first language does not make someone ethnically english.

thus the emperors were not "greek" they would have understood themselves to be roman, and it just happens that they were born in an area where greek was the predominant language.

Hi to everyone
My favorite faction is the Byzantines

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Originally Posted by Basilios II Voulgaroktonos

thts it my lad<<Basileia ton Romaion>>thts the tru spirit.You have stydied greek or you have found it somewhere?

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I studied greek for three years ^^

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Originally Posted by Basilios II Voulgaroktonos

I am very interested to know where did you learn history my friend!!!the turks ruled the world from 11th until 18thcentury?LOL thats a very interesting aponion but you maybe FIXED it your self because in the 11th century in the dynasty of Komnhnoi in Byzantium the greek have pulled out the turks from the greek soil and after the death of Suleiman the magnificent in the 16th century,if i am not mistaken,the ottoman empire was always in decline.as it losted all the wars(agaisnt the russians 2 wars,against the austrians and the greek rebelion and more which i dont remember now...)and almost all its territory!!!

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Though I am not claiming the turks ruled the world from 11th until 18th century, you are clearly wrong about dating the Ottoman decline already in the 16th century. That's just two centuries too early.

I'm not understanding your 11th century comment either, as in that century the greater Saljuq Sultanate was founded, as well as the Saljuq Sultanate of Rum (Or sometimes called the Roman Sultanate). Manzikert happened in that century as well.