Graffiti Mafia [Concluded]

hmm i doubt both messages come from the mafia it is more likely one is from the masons and the Mafia either failed to get both targets in on time or chose to kill one... for some reason

I find their choice of targets interesting so far - 2 Veterans 1 Newbie

lets think about this logically the mafia was chosen and so Discovery would be looking for the ultimate combination to produce victory

so what is the ultimate combination?

Well first id pick someone who is a known mafia hunter with a solid reputation of being right more than wrong - someone who could lead the villagers around by their nose for a while

Under this list we get:
Kommodus
Kagemusha
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Seamus Fermanagh
GeneralHankerchief

two of these are already dead but one or more could be mafia

Next you want someone who walks the thin line between being lynched and being killed - Sasaki does this but hes hosting. They can lead conversations in particular ways to save mafia members by using their reputations as trouble stirrers and loud mouths

this gives us:
Reenk Roink
GeneralHankerchief
Kommodus

lastly you may want someone who can slip under the radar - someone who is either new or doesnt draw much attention to themselves - this is the wild card as it could be anyone

for now we should pay close attention to how kommodus, Seamus, GH and Reenk vote/post im sure at least one of them will have been chosen


for now until we get more
Vote: Abstain

oh and no-lynch is a bad choice as it lets people hide rather than voting for real lets try to avoid doing it again...

Oh the funny.:2thumbsup:

I know that 0800 is used for free numbers in Germany but Wikipedia says it's used in many countries.
So much about the supposed mason message

Now to the mafia message, which basically means that I will get killed next round, I think.:sweatdrop:

Just think about it, the last one had to do with Loki which tells me norse mythology and now Sigurd got killed. Now there is a suspected link towards me in the graffity which may simply be an announcement that I am next.

Let's try to get some clues from the lines:
1. well, relates to where I am from
2. my signature
3. my nickname(this may give a few clues since polish winged hussars are not known by everyone)
4. I have no idea
5. this might be a hint that I am next

Since disco is a member of the chat, he could know all that and the message may be written by him.

Then there is Csar, who is quite eager to kill me because I am mentioned which is really bright considering that the mafia indicates they want to kill me next round anyway, but maybe he wants to create an alibi this way?
As in: "If I wanted to kill him next round anyway, why should I have started a bandwagon on him?"

Maybe there is also some numerical code in the mason message(the telephone numbers)? Or the masone message and mafia message are not like I think and the masons point at me for which reason? Ok, that doesn't make sense to me since it indicates that nothing is going to help me anymore, the masons could have put up a more much clear message had they found me guilty I think.(which I am not btw)

That's gotta suffice for now.:smash:

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"The other letter is of Loki
Do no heed its harmful words.
Knowledge we will collect
And distribute to the denizen's of the Gameroom"

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This was the first grafitti. The Loki reference doesn't really point towards Sigurd, but means that the other letter is from Loki, the trickster and deceiver. The question is whether it came from the Masons or the Mafia.

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German guard of the German faith
Dream liberator of lebanon
The poles gave him wings
All gave him guilding.
And none use him now

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This one clearly points out to Husar, but as it is it doesn't really why it points out Husar. Does it mean that he is investigated?

The numbered message coming from the masons makes absolutely no sense, but at the same time can we trust the other message? What if the Mafia are responsible for both messages?

I think our best option is to ignore these graffitis, simply because we can't really know of their validity at the moment. We can track down the mafia without the confusion and potential guidance provided by these messages.

Now to the voting, I'm going with a gut based vote here. My gut is saying that Seamus and a certain other not to be named yet are mafia members.

Vote: Seamus Fermanagh

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Originally Posted by Husar

Oh the funny.:2thumbsup:

I know that 0800 is used for free numbers in Germany but Wikipedia says it's used in many countries.
So much about the supposed mason message

Now to the mafia message, which basically means that I will get killed next round, I think.:sweatdrop:

Just think about it, the last one had to do with Loki which tells me norse mythology and now Sigurd got killed. Now there is a suspected link towards me in the graffity which may simply be an announcement that I am next.

Let's try to get some clues from the lines:
1. well, relates to where I am from
2. my signature
3. my nickname(this may give a few clues since polish winged hussars are not known by everyone)
4. All gave him a superficial coating or appearance, as opposed to what is solid and genuine.
5. this might be a hint that I am next

Since disco is a member of the chat, he could know all that and the message may be written by him.

Then there is Csar, who is quite eager to kill me because I am mentioned which is really bright considering that the mafia indicates they want to kill me next round anyway, but maybe he wants to create an alibi this way?
As in: "If I wanted to kill him next round anyway, why should I have started a bandwagon on him?"

Maybe there is also some numerical code in the mason message(the telephone numbers)? Or the masone message and mafia message are not like I think and the masons point at me for which reason? Ok, that doesn't make sense to me since it indicates that nothing is going to help me anymore, the masons could have put up a more much clear message had they found me guilty I think.(which I am not btw)

That's gotta suffice for now.:smash:

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Let me fill that fourth one in for you Husar.

That the message points to Husar is so...obvious. I don't know what to think about that.


vote:Csar

Just a hunch, I might change my mind if other people make good points, an dif I read it all in time.

A little correction,

Kagemusha
Sigurd Fafnesbane

is

Kagemusha
Caius Flaminius

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Originally Posted by doc_bean

That the message points to Husar is so...obvious. I don't know what to think about that.


vote:Csar

Just a hunch, I might change my mind if other people make good points, an dif I read it all in time.

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There's no helping you people.

Lynch Husar.

and the message


German guard of the German faith
Dream liberator of lebanon
The poles gave him wings
All gave him guilding.
And none use him now

I remember that chat conversation,when we were talking about special teams.

I remember someone was here.Husar, if your remember... if you remember....

And the voice form the Heaven stoped...

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Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius

Lynch Husar.

and the message


German guard of the German faith
Dream liberator of lebanon
The poles gave him wings
All gave him guilding.
And none use him now

I remember that chat conversation,when we were talking about special teams.

I remember someone was here.Husar, if your remember... if you remember....

And the voice form the Heaven stoped...

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I don't understand you CF.

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Originally Posted by Csar

I don't understand you CF.

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The message wasnt for you.

Well as stated above we really cannot judge whether the message is True or False... However at the moment we have little to go on apart from the Mafia will most probably be made up of 2 Vets and 1 Random Newbie. In regard to the Vets we do have a few leads to go on however in response to the one newbie he will be keeping under the radar yet he will be posting some impartial messages as to avoid the wrath of god.

Yet i still believe we have little to go on so until we discover anything...

Vote: Abstain

Has anyone tried to decode the phone numbers or -- if you're in Europe -- call them?

These messages will undoubtedly hold clues -- hence the name of the game -- but will they lead or confuse.....

I'll hold my vote for now. Husar and Csar are drawing most of the early shots, but I'mnot sure if they are drawing them "fairly."

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Originally Posted by Csar

Let me fill that fourth one in for you Husar.

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Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius

Lynch Husar.

and the message


German guard of the German faith
Dream liberator of lebanon
The poles gave him wings
All gave him guilding.
And none use him now

I remember that chat conversation,when we were talking about special teams.

I remember someone was here.Husar, if your remember... if you remember....

And the voice form the Heaven stoped...

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Originally Posted by Csar

I don't understand you CF.

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Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius

The message wasnt for you.

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I don't understand both of you, not even what Csar filled in...:shrug:
I'm with Seamus even though I am thinking similar to AggonyDuck, but I'm not going to vote yet.

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Originally Posted by Husar

I don't understand both of you, not even what Csar filled in...:shrug:
I'm with Seamus even though I am thinking similar to AggonyDuck, but I'm not going to vote yet.

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Of course.

I have to say how interesting it is that many members who were very active in the 1st day phase have bairly made a post in the 2nd day phase...

For example:

Proletariat
Information - Her recent extroidanary high activity compared to her activity in the last mafia game was pointed out by Sir Moody. Recently she has not made a post since the day phase began.
Voted For - Sir Moody

General Hankerchief
Information - He was voted for by Ultra however did not vote in relation. On the grounds that the kill story sounded like their work eg spelling's.
Voted For - Sir Moody

However despite this information i still stand by my vote for now...

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Originally Posted by Sir Boo

I have to say how interesting it is that many members who were very active in the 1st day phase have bairly made a post in the 2nd day phase...

For example:

Proletariat
Information - Her recent extroidanary high activity compared to her activity in the last mafia game was pointed out by Sir Moody. Recently she has not made a post since the day phase began.
Voted For - Sir Moody

General Hankerchief
Information - He was voted for by Ultra however did not vote in relation. On the grounds that the kill story sounded like their work eg spelling's.
Voted For - Sir Moody

However despite this information i still stand by my vote for now...

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Real life, my friend.

Interesting new developments. Give me some time to go over them, I'll post my thoughts soon.

Vote:Csar

His actions are highly suspicious yet if my guess is wrong, so much for me relying on my diplomatic contacts, above and below ground

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Has anyone tried to decode the phone numbers or -- if you're in Europe -- call them?

These messages will undoubtedly hold clues -- hence the name of the game -- but will they lead or confuse.....

I'll hold my vote for now. Husar and Csar are drawing most of the early shots, but I'mnot sure if they are drawing them "fairly."

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To be honest, if they're clues left by the masons, well then they're doing a rather poor job at giving them. So Masons, if you indeed are responsible for one of those graffitis, how about actually trying to make them helpful for us?

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Real life, my friend.

Interesting new developments. Give me some time to go over them, I'll post my thoughts soon.

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To be honest i was more concerned over the fact that Prole after being acused by Sir Moody for out of the ordinary posting, now seams to be "lying low"....

You on the other hand are obvously not sorry for the acusation...

While our last round accomplished little or nothing along the lines of narrowing suspicions, it did at least have the effect of buying us another round thanks in large part to the mafia who (by design or by incompetence) only made 1 kill last night.

As to who I'm suspicious of... I still have to think Reenk. Last night showed us another episode of 'the Knight and Fluffy' show, which smacks of something his mind would create. Further, we've heard nary a word or even a pantomime from him since then that I can see. Further, I believe that Reenk would make an appealing choice for an underling by discovery1.

So, until there's a better case made:
Vote: Reenk

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Originally Posted by Xiahou

While our last round accomplished little or nothing along the lines of narrowing suspicions, it did at least have the effect of buying us another round thanks in large part to the mafia who (by design or by incompetence) only made 1 kill last night.

As to who I'm suspicious of... I still have to think Reenk. Last night showed us another episode of 'the Knight and Fluffy' show, which smacks of something his mind would create. Further, we've heard nary a word or even a pantomime from him since then that I can see. Further, I believe that Reenk would make an appealing choice for an underling by discovery1.

So, until there's a better case made:
Vote: Reenk

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:rolleyes:

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Vote: Xiahou

Okay, my thoughts right now:

I don't know which message is which. If the Husar message is by the mafia, it means the Masons clearly goofed by not sending anything in the first round. If it's by the Masons, then the Mafia are idiots for making such a non-lookalike message. Also, we have no clue whether two messages = one kill. Best conclusion: Just ignore it for now.

Csar does seem suspicious for going after Husar with a vengeance, but my vote will not go to him (for now).

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Originally Posted by Sir Boo

To be honest i was more concerned over the fact that Prole after being acused by Sir Moody for out of the ordinary posting, now seams to be "lying low"....

You on the other hand are obvously not sorry for the acusation...

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Darn right. Somebody needs to play the Sasaki role. I'm keeping my eye on Sir Moody.

Anyway, Reenk Roink's gameplay has regressed something of late. He is only voting based on retaliation and in fact, encouraging others to do so! People, if we keep doing this then the mafia win hands-down. In addition, he is contributing little by never offering any clear opinions, instead speaking in tongues (and binary).

Vote: Reenk Roink

Less a "I think he's mafia" vote than a "We need to set an example" vote.

Has anyone decoded the first message? or rang the number?

I am going on a gut feeling but I say

Vote:Abstain

That's a very strange phone number given in the grafitti. The 0800 part tells us nothing, because that is used almost universally across Europe and possibly worldwide. The number is very long however which is not usual. This might provide a clue as to the nationality of the artist, since it is not a common format. Or it might just be a totally made up number / the mafia playing with our minds.

I'm still not sure, but I do subscribe to the theory that at least one experienced mafia player would have been chosen by Disco.

I'm not sure where to put blame yet, but this post did interest me:

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Originally Posted by Csar

Well only one kill. My guess is a mafioso missed his kill or used a special ability to write one of those graffiti messages.

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At what point was it mentioned that a mafia member has to miss a kill in order to write a graffiti message? :book:

Vote: Csar

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Has anyone decoded the first message?

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Well, I have tried to crack these strange "graffiti" in the naive hope that they might point to the mafia. The mafia are obviously going to deploy strange graffiti to put us off track, but Masons, I assume that one of these messages is from you, and in which case, I must say you are making it all rather confusing. The first code mentions Loki, so I assume either the masons are trying to get us to lynch a norse player (who they perhaps believe is a mafia member), or, more likely, the mafia want to make us suspicious of random players and get us to kill them off (thus avoiding us killing the mafioso's, obviously) I also tried to decode the numbers (and I am no Robert Langdon, so bear with me) in the phone address:

Replacing the numbers with their respective position in the alphabet (A equals 1 etc) I got the intriguing message of 0h00 bffd fffbcfh and 0h00 ib ge hghch (I didn't know what to do with the zero's). Having discovered these gems of information, I am now turning my attention back to analysis of players...

For now, Vote: Reenk Roink because his behaviour is not conducive to a town strategy:

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Vote: Xiahou

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Random Binary code and retaliation voting is the most suspicious thing I have seen so far, so my vote goes for him.

I agree with the statements made above. How is Reenk going to help benefit the townies if he continues his no-speach tactics. However if he does decide to stop this i will again vote to Abstain but until then my vote goes to Reenk

Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Reenk

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Anyway, Reenk Roink's gameplay has regressed something of late. He is only voting based on retaliation and in fact, encouraging others to do so! People, if we keep doing this then the mafia win hands-down. In addition, he is contributing little by never offering any clear opinions, instead speaking in tongues (and binary).

Vote: Reenk Roink

Less a "I think he's mafia" vote than a "We need to set an example" vote.

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Originally Posted by Andrew of Newcastle

thinly

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Originally Posted by blacksnail

veiled

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Originally Posted by Sir Moody

retaliation

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Originally Posted by Csar

vote

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:yes:

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Originally Posted by Sir Boo

Proletariat
Information - Her recent extroidanary high activity compared to her activity in the last mafia game was pointed out by Sir Moody. Recently she has not made a post since the day phase began.
Voted For - Sir Moody

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Not true, once again. My last mafia game I suicided because of a Christmas vacation, the game before that I actually was mafia, and was defending myself from round one when Kage investigated me right off the bat.

The few games before that I had already changed to a more aggressive first round stance, and it was noted by a few players in those games too. So this isn't me acting out of the ordinary.

Also, it's not very fair to say someone was acting one way for for 24 hours, then the next 24 TOTALLY changed their posting frequency. Like GH stated, real life. It's not often I nor anyone else has time to keep a consistent level of posts per day.

Vote: Reenk for speaking in emoticons.

Disco has been repeatedly claiming in the chatroom that the mafiaso he's chosen are me, Husar, and Csar. Since I know for certain that one of those people (moi) is innocent, I'm inclined to believe the graffiti blatantly screaming Husar's name is a crock and should be ignored, at least for right now.

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Originally Posted by Al Khalifah

At what point was it mentioned that a mafia member has to miss a kill in order to write a graffiti message? :book:

Vote: Csar

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I was curious about that as well, Csar sounds like he has a lot of insight on these matters.

Vote: Csar

Edit:Husar, did you understand the message?