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I wasn't aware that Israel had a seperate election for the prime minister.
That's not the case in most parliamentary systems though, including Weimar Germany. Our PM Balkenende wasn't elected either, but his party was the largest after the elections putting him in the best position to lead a coalition cabinet. Hitler did grab power, but it was after he got his appointment as Chancellor wich he received in accordance with the law and the same way as his predecessors.
Since we have now hit page six in this thread I will point out the ironic (yet entirely predictable) twist:
A thread about the armed forces of Lebanon killing Palestinians has now turned into a thread that could be entitled "Israel = teh Nazi" and the title would not be misleading based on actual discussion content.
Simply sublime.
Anyway, this is all secondary to the larger, more pressing issue: How do we, as global citizens, convince Israel to stop causing global warming?
Yeah that's what it was, Israel= Nazis thread.:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Goofball
Oh well , you could have seen this happening .
The Lebanese army/government action has taken a small group with very little support , and by its crazy actions has turned it into a small group with increasing support .
A weak and unpopular fractured government has made itself weaker more fractured and more unpopular , the same old voices from the civil war are raising the heads again and inter denominational/tribal/factional violence is increasing .
What a bunch of muppets .:furious3:
Perhaps I mistake you, Tribes, but it seems to me that in your "rubric" for dealing with terrorists and fringe splinter groups there is NEVER a place for armed violence against said groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Do you advocate simply absorbing the damage/deaths they cause as a "cost of doing business" while they marginalize themselves in the eyes of the greater public? At what point and in what manner should a government take action?
Splinter group crazies will not stop terrorist attacks because of marginalization or mis-like. As far as I can tell only their own embarrassment over failure for a prolonged stretch would generate a devolution -- and this isn't likely since such groups target "soft" targets as a rule.
Perhaps the specifics of this group in Lebanon require a different answer than the more generalized questions I have posed to you. However, even if that is the case, I would appreciate a developed response to my questions. Thanks.
You do indeed mistake me Seamus , there are plenty of times for armed violence against terrorists , but shelling the hell out of a heavily populated area to try and kill a small number of nuts isn't one of them .Quote:
Perhaps I mistake you, Tribes, but it seems to me that in your "rubric" for dealing with terrorists and fringe splinter groups there is NEVER a place for armed violence against said groups.
The military and governments know this is true , but they still go ahead anyway an do it .
Theres a nice paper in your governments declassifiednational security archives , it goes on about how it is vital to the success of the mission in Afghanistan not to shell or bomb built up areas even if they think the intelligence on the terrorists location is very good .
War against terrorism needs a very very good PR face , blowing up civilians is not good PR no matter how much they try to dress it up.
If you go back to the start of the topic , you see the same old crap trotted out " hey these people have terrorists living amongst them , its their fault if they choose to live with terrorists " what utter tripe .
It might be instructive to see how the British Army justified their shelling of residential areas in Northern Ireland that were known to harbour terrorists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
What kind of people shell a refugee camp? Shells don't distinguish friendly or enemy, they just kill. There is a middle way, if we stopped babbling and looked to the other side we might get something done, but being stubborn as an ass and killing people to no avail is obviously a lot more... I don't even know what kind of necessity it fulfills, other than our inherent sadism that we seem to say is gone but in fact, controls many governments.
this is eerily reminiscent of the 1982 Phalanx massacres of Palestinians in the Sabra and Chatila refugee camps under orders of then-general Sharon...
Not at all - as Tribesman alreadly stated its very similiar to the Lebanese Civil War. Edit - I very rarely agree with Tribesman's opinion but on this one he is fairily accurate in my opinion. The Lebanese need no one's help to commit such an error once again, they are more then able to do it to themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaknafien
Time will tell if the Lebanese government learned from the past - but with this occurance they are probably suffering from the same problem as most governments. That and they are suffering from the political power plays of at least four different countries and more then a handful or two of their own internal politicial parties.
right thats enough of that , time to change my opinion I think .Quote:
I very rarely agree with Tribesman's opinion but on this one he is fairily accurate in my opinion.
Yep you are right .Quote:
this is eerily reminiscent of the 1982 Phalanx massacres of Palestinians in the Sabra and Chatila refugee camps under orders of then-general Sharon...
Sorted:2thumbsup:
But hold on ...if ........and.....Quote:
as Tribesman alreadly stated its very similiar to the Lebanese Civil War.
Reds and Zaks statements are not mutually exclusive .Quote:
but with this occurance they are probably suffering from the same problem as most governments. That and they are suffering from the political power plays of at least four different countries and more then a handful or two of their own internal politicial parties.
So it is not so much of amore of a "not quite" especially with Zaks use ofQuote:
Not at all
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reminiscent
What we really have is similar problems , with some different players involved , and all the old players still in the game apart from the dead ones (though with situations like this the dead are still in the game sort of) .