King of the Romans OOC thread VIII

I think someone should propose an Edict to impeach Hummel. It can be a one line job - the catalogue of grievances does not need to be part of the wording. Elberhard and Anselhelm can't do it as there is the one law per person rule. Who is going to wield the knife?

I'm open to extending the session for another day, but would prefer not to. We've recently had a full Diet session and quite a lot of Edicts & other work needs carrying out (Moscow, the Milanese islands, the Mongols are coming, the Poles and Russians seems uber etc); undoing some of what has been done since that Diet will also take time. To me, the Emergency Session is really one issue: impeach or not. If we close the session in 24 hours, everyone will have a chance to vote before they disappear for the weekend - notably Ignoramus, who seems to lack internet access over weekends.

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From saturday (or should I say friday late afternoon) I'll be lacking a pc with MTW2 for about a month (I might get to my flat one week or weekend or so, but not more). I however still wish Ansehelm to go on his crusade (as it will come now). DG, Kage, Ituralde, hell more or less anyone can fight my battles. If the odds are clearly in Ansehelms favour (that's anything more then 10:9 really) I'm also happy with an autoresolve.

I'll have a computer with MTW2 again on the 5th of August, as then I need to be in my flat as the next day we begin excavations (archaeology and the like).

Stig and everyone else, it says in the Charter already that we need a 2/3 majority to impeach:

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*3.8. The Chancellor can be impeached and removed from office by a 2/3 majority of the Imperial Diet.

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I believe econ21's amendment addresses some of the results after a succesful impeachment.

Edit: We're also on page 20 of the current Diet thread, we might want to move now, before we get too far in.

*prays that Ignoramus doesn't pull a Servius*

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Edit: We're also on page 20 of the current Diet thread, we might want to move now, before we get too far in.

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I disagree, we're too far in already. Let the Session run its course and we can start a new thread with either a new Chancellor or after the Session expires. Best not to split up official meetings in the Diet.

Ignoramus can't really pull a complete Servius. The existence of a civil war and its mechanics in WOTS were decided OOC because we wanted to end the PBM then, and do so in an interesting way. The Impeachment poll of 261 BC included OOC voting for PBM end.

Hummel might yet make it through the session ok, even Servius wasn't impeached the first time. He had to also attack Thrace before losing the support of... a certain person, in order to get himself impeached in the second vote. Funny thing I noticed today when I looked back over the threads, the only motion that passed in the first impeachment vote was one prohibiting standing armies in Italy; that one passed because unlike the other motions, Servius Aemilius voted for it. :laugh4:

Dear god, I'm out of town for 36 hours and I've got 14 PMs. Time to start reading...

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Originally Posted by Tincow

Dear god, I'm out of town for 36 hours and I've got 14 PMs. Time to start reading...

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I thought you were strangely quiet. It was nearly 15 PMs - earlier in the present crisis, I was thinking of contacting you OOC to ask you to help sort things out.

Gibson: what's your verdict on Stig's save - are you happy with it or do you want to try your luck?

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Gibson: what's your verdict on Stig's save - are you happy with it or do you want to try your luck?

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He agrees ... said so in a PM

OK, then whatever the outcome of the impeachment, the official save is the one Stig uploaded:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1244.zip

wow, i never expected péter would get this bloodthirsty - thats what 0 piety and feeling unappreciated while disrespecting prisoners and being a powerful tournament knight does to you, i guess.

edit: just confirming - what stiggy said is true.

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wow, i never expected péter would get this bloodthirsty - thats what 0 piety and feeling unappreciated while disrespecting prisoners and being a powerful tournament knight does to you, i guess.

edit: just confirming - what stiggy said is true.

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So does this mean you're still alive then, did you win ? The last exchange between you and Stig confused me a bit...

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I autoresolved Peter's battle
He lost but survived and retreated on Thorn
Ansehelm got to fight and retreated
Ansehelm got to fight again and I retreated everything to Thorn.

i didnt win - peter autoresolved and he was able to escape, just not his army.

econ21, I would like to say that it gives me endless joy to see you RPing Elberhard. One of these days we need to get you an insane avatar.

a "shameful" avatar could be funny too.

Oh man! I've just about had it with the insanity of the Medieval 2 family tree. That must be the strangest feature of the whole game! :furious3:

Can anyone else please confirm that it is NOT possible to marry Lyse von Salza off to Siegfried von Kastillien? It seems there is some mechanic preventing Princesses from marrying Princes, even if they are on opposite sides of the family tree! Well so much for trying to come up with an explanation for why Siegfried is suddenly the heir, might as well go on the Eastern Crusade after all! :furious3:

Just gotta take it, as it is, I guess... :thumbsdown:

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Originally Posted by Stig

From saturday (or should I say friday late afternoon) I'll be lacking a pc with MTW2 for about a month (I might get to my flat one week or weekend or so, but not more). I however still wish Ansehelm to go on his crusade (as it will come now). DG, Kage, Ituralde, hell more or less anyone can fight my battles. If the odds are clearly in Ansehelms favour (that's anything more then 10:9 really) I'm also happy with an autoresolve.

I'll have a computer with MTW2 again on the 5th of August, as then I need to be in my flat as the next day we begin excavations (archaeology and the like).

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Um, I suspect the crusade will be over by August. Generally I am leery about players without computer access being given lots of battles. I think players who can't fight battles should find quieter assignments. In WotS, we had an "Upper House" and "Lower House" distinction that institutionalised that. If players were going away or had tech problems, they went to the Upper House and the Consul ensured they were not put in danger. If we start having lots of proxies, it starts to break the link between the player and the avatar. And giving key commands to avatars whose owners can fight them personally seems as good a way as any of rationing out the battles.

However, there are good in character reasons for Anselhelm leading the crusade and there's also been some bad blood OOC on the issue, so I won't push the point. I do think Anselhelm should have a second player controlled general accompanying him though and perhaps alternate battles between them (with Anselhelm being moved out of the stack for those battles, if he has the higher command, so the second general can benefit from some of the trait bonuses from victories).

On the question of who fights Anselhelm's battles in Stig's absence, I am inclined to say the first Franconian who picks up the savegame. That keeps it "in house", but should ensure the fastest turn around.

Ituralde: If the marrying the Princess part does not work, how about Siegfried winning glory on the Moscow crusade as the rationale for his adoption? That might also help deal with the problem of Stig not being able to fight the crusade battles.

Well the only nobles available for the crusade will be Franconian nobles I think, and since some old Franconians might die in future one of them can come.
Fritz von Kastillien will be a good choice, as he's close, all others are in the Outremer afaik.
I'm pretty sure either Gunther, Jonas or Fredericus will die of old age before 1260 so Kage, DG or Flydude can take Fritz.
I will have a computer tho, simply no MTW2, I'll keep posting.

Tho maybe I can play the game, but that requires taking it to my parents (as I will be there) and installing it on the PC there, but that depends on the System Requirements.

EDIT: Ah I can maybe fight the battles, but seeing the game is so big and all I'll only install it once I really need to battle (ie. once Ansehelm is really on crusade). Thorn will come under siege, but DG or Gibson can fight those battles.

I've set the department date for the crusade in about 6 turns. It'll be 12 days before we get there.

Sides I'm happy to autoresolve if the battle is in Ansehelms favour.

econ21: Yeah, I'll manage to work something out with Warluster. Just had to vent my frustration there. :beam:

FYI, I will be out of town again for about 2 days from this evening until Sunday. I will probably be able to check the forums, but I have no guarantees. Fortunately, it appears that the Emergency Session will delay the attack on Milan for at least a few days.

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Ituralde: If the marrying the Princess part does not work, how about Siegfried winning glory on the Moscow crusade as the rationale for his adoption? That might also help deal with the problem of Stig not being able to fight the crusade battles.

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Actually that was the plan I had in mind myself.
But now Warluster wants to bring his Imperial Army after me some time (with an edict ofcourse, as by then it will be 1260), and mostlikely that would give Siegfried the title Prinz.

I think it's a great plan to let Siegfried and Ansehelm go as was the original plan.
That means I won't have to fight battles on a uber slow computer (it gets to the minimum requirements (my little brother uses it to play BF2142) but I doubt it will be quick).

I wouldn't mind if Gerhard went on the crusade as well, he's been in italy for too long, and the riegns of the BHA should be transfered IMHO. The russians bribed part of the BHA, so there's plenty of IC reasons to.

I have internet access daily, and usually on the weekend it's more a matter of making time than not having time on the weekends. Perhaps a relieveing force behind the main crusade? I'll give it some thought.

Edit: If the Kaiser decides to take the rest of the Chancellorship for himself, does that count as his 'birthright chancellorship'? I only ask cause IF it's open season, I'm considering a run (emphasis on considering) for chancellor and a reduced term kinda appeals to me.

Edit 2: No offence stig or Swabians for my IC comments, I'm just stirring the pot.

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Originally Posted by Stuperman

If the Kaiser decides to take the rest of the Chancellorship for himself, does that count as his 'birthright chancellorship'?

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The Kaiser could contest the election openly and reserve his "birthright" for a full term later. But if he uses his perogative, then yes, that's his birthright Chancellorship used up.

hey Ituralde,

does that mean Warluster doesn't regarding my request to marry Lyse at all?

Actually, keeping Siegfried unmarried is a good thing. We can use his marriage for alliance diplomacy. As for justifying it in-game... just make something up. We didn't really bother with any real reason for Jobst inheriting the throne, simply because it's so random and ridiculous. I'm sure everyone will accept whatever RP reason you choose to give.

Just a reminder - voting will open for one day at 9am pm UK time tonight. I understand Kaiser Jobst will exercise his perogative to be Chancellor so we won't need a Chancellorship election if Hummel is impeached. In that event, Warluster can pick up the 1244 save on 9am Saturday UK time.

I think you meant 9pm for either econ ~:)

Well, someone (Stig maybe?) was asking for 36 hours hours of debate, so 9am might be right.

so that's like 4am NA time?

Yeah, but econ said "9am UK time tonight" which doesn't make a lot of sense :grin:

hey guys if lyse von salza spawns (or already has) less than 3 charm, i think we oughta send her on some diplomacy and dont marry her until shes three. then we wont get wife is a wretch traits and we'll continue making babies. same for meinburg..