Plus it may have one or two interesting units, like gastraphetes (which I believe they were still used by them)...
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Plus it may have one or two interesting units, like gastraphetes (which I believe they were still used by them)...
I'm a little disappointed to hear that Syracuse has been dismissed. I do wish they would be reconsidered and not be counted out simply for gameplay reasons.
I'm fairly certain that I could take Syracuse and do well. The gameplay concerns raised about small factions squeezed in between superpowers applies much less to them than a faction like Cyrene or Pergamon, both of which I've argued for.
I understand that we don't want too many greek factions, but there are really two camps: Hellenistic Factions (Ptolemaioi, Makedonia, etc.), and then they're is the more classic Factions, of which they're is only one right now, that being KH. I think at least one more classic greek faction, preferably centered in the Western Med, would give EB2 a much needed small faction in the west that isn't barbarian.
Lol ... wouldn't surprise me seeing as EB was intent on including Goildic units at the behest of one. May as well included the French, Portugese and Genoans, etc :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by russia almighty
what if you ask CA nicely if they could teach you how to turn the faction and unit limits off? just a thought :)
No, we won't be able to do that. It's part of the deepest internals of RTW; so all we can ask CA nicely is do it for us.
However. I do think there is a reason behind the faction limit. And that reason probably is something CA would rather not expose; I imagine it being something with the way the engine uses PC resources...
They've said this openly. They allocate the resources regardless of whether they're used or not, so they want to limit it in order to keep system requirements down.
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Originally Posted by PSYCHO V
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Originally Posted by bovi
Another steppe faction? There's lots of little rebel states around the Saka's lands. Mainland Belgae? Heruskoz?
I think Scandinavia is out of question, sadly. We didn't exactly have anything to boast about. We did have a magnificent bronze age, but now they've found out that everything came from down south.:no:
I'd personally love a Scandinavian tribe, and the argument of them having an unfair advantage because they'd be at the edge of the map is silly. Look at Casse for crying out loud! All it has to do is to defeat the Eleutheroi there, and then it can't be destroyed unless the player is someone else and decides to sail there. God knows the AI never will. An AI faction could always destroy a Scandinavian one... unless that one is the player, and he/she migrated to Britain. Yet I don't hear you complaining about "Casse's unfair advantage", why?
That being said, there won't be a Scandinavian faction in game. There's just a lot more other possible factions that had a bigger impact on history, that we know much more about etc. So, while it would be completely awesome to have one (and the best position would of course be SWEDEN, not Norway :laugh4:), there won't. We'll always be left out... except perhaps in Empire: Total War? :idea2: Sweden just gots to be in there.
As for the new factions in EB2, I'd hope for...
- Another Germanic tribe to rival the Sweboz
- Belgae!
- A faction to rival Casse... which we're getting. :2thumbsup:
- No bloody Syracuse!
- Sequani? I've just grown to love the name, 's'all.
- A Baltic faction? I know the arguments against it (I have read this whole thread), but I still think it's too Eleutheroi-based.
- Galatians! Show the clever-clever Greeks that the Celts reign supreme!
- Bartix!
- Anything that has no argument for it that has anything to do with the curse "Rome".
... what?
If you want to make it harder for the Sweboz you could add the Heruskoz tribe whom were basically the forerunners of the Franks. They were pretty major around the 1st Century AD under Arminius. They halted Roman advance in Germania. I dont see why you havent already gottem
You just answered your own question. They were a major power outside EBs time frame.Quote:
Originally Posted by azzbaz
By what I know of Scandinavian history of the relevant period, a faction based up here would be more or less Right Out for the exact same reasons as all the Baltic and mainland Germanic tribes except the Sweboz - Way Too Small And Unorganized(tm). Heck, in the northern part of the region hunter-gatherers were still the norm...
An utter backwater is an utter backwater, no two ways about it.
Methinks something in the somewhat empty Ukraine/Crimea region would be interesting, like maybe the Scythian remnants or the Crimean cities. Unless that nerfed the Sauromatae too badly of course...
Well, you could make it so that the faction doesn't have a family tree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foot
Etruscans? They still had a little bit of power in Northern Etruria at 272BC
Volsinii fell to the Romans in 265BC
plus they had a unique culture, language and military you could give 'em a city or two
264BC sorry
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Originally Posted by The Vicious Monkey
What about a north african faction like Meroe? It wasn't conquered by Greeks nor was it by Romans and it was an unique civilisation with ancient Egyptian traditions. :egypt:
Did they expand, or, at the very least, attempt to do so? If not, then they're automatically disqualified, according to the criteria I've seen various team members use in explaining the inclusion of factions...Quote:
Originally Posted by Son of Perun
Yeah, definitely not Meroe. They didn't have the military capability - completely below the military horizon.
That's unfair. Lusonattan did not expand as well. Meroe certainly had the military capapability. I've found this in Wikipedia:Quote:
Originally Posted by abou
Rome's capture of Egypt led to border clashes and expansion by both Meroë and Rome. Meroë usually came off the better, even looting a head from a statue of the emperor Augustus and burying it under their temple steps.
And to their economy:
Meroë was the base of a flourishing kingdom whose wealth was due to strong iron industry, plus an international trade involving India and China. At the time, iron was one of the most researched metals worldwide, and Meroitic metalworkers were among the best in the world.. Meroë also exported textiles and jewelry. Textiles were based on cotton, and working on it reached its achievement in Nubia around 400BC. Furthermore, Nubia was very rich in gold.
And Meroe also fits into EB timeframe (The capital of Kushite kingdom moved from Napata to Meroe in 300BC).
I reckon you should include the Hattoz(Chatti) and Heruskoz(Cherusci) because they were in the same boat as the Aedui and Arverni being arch nemesis. It would be a nice setup having Aedui fighting it out with the Arverni, and then them fighting the Belgae as well, and then up in Germania having the Hattoz and Heruskoz in an eternal struggle with the Sweboz there as well.
Im pretty sure you'll have the Belgae, but just keep in mind the Hattoz and Heruskoz as well.
Your time frames somewhere between 272BC-14AD isn't it? Therefore they'd just fit in the time frame.
I know a fair bit about them too if youd want some info.
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Originally Posted by Son of Perun
Long live the wikipedia generation.
You could have just written "I want a black faction".Quote:
Originally Posted by Son of Perun
And Wikipedia? That's a magnet for afro-centrists, nationalists, revisionalists, nazi, white supremacists etc. Although their Nubia article doesn't seem affected by it, however Nubians basically had two types of troops. Archers & Spearmen. And their only interest was to keep Nubia secure, even though they did clash with the Ptolemies & Romans.
And Lusitanians? They gave the Romans a run for their money, so much that Iberia was virtually Rome's Vietnam for over 200 years.
There are simply other factions more deserving a spot atm, but if we had more than 30 faction slots Meroe would very likely be among those.
From this side it seems that there is a rule "No black factions".Quote:
Originally Posted by Krusader
Well, I'm not an afro-centrist, nationalist, revisionalist, nazi or white supremacist. And to Meroe unit roster: You could simplify every faction to basic units. Rome=legionaries, Successor=phallanx + cavalery... But I see there is no will to find out more about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krusader
Lusitanians were defeated, Meroe wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krusader
I really think Meroe would deserve one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krusader
Nope, but we don't include factions on the grounds that it would be cool or that it would be politically correct to represent all ethnicities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Son of Perun
He wasn't saying you were. He was saying that evidence from wikipedia really has no place in this discussion. And we certainly are interested in Meroe, we've had the discussion I believe, but it was decided that due to the lack of evidence we couldn't make any differentiation in the military beyond archer and spearmen.Quote:
Well, I'm not an afro-centrist, nationalist, revisionalist, nazi or white supremacist. And to Meroe unit roster: You could simplify every faction to basic units. Rome=legionaries, Successor=phallanx + cavalery... But I see there is no will to find out more about them.
Because the Lusotannan were constantly attacked for 200 years by the Roman military machine. The same wasn't true of Meroe.Quote:
Lusitanians were defeated, Meroe wasn't.
Based on what? It seems that you've only read wikipedia. Get some proper books on the subject and then come back.Quote:
I really think Meroe would deserve one of them.
Foot
OK, I agree that my knowledge on this subject is rather limited.
It seems that it has already been decided which factions will go to EB2.
For the most part, they have been decided. Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Son of Perun
Foot
So which new factions will be in EB2? Or is it another TOP SECRET issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by Foot
Well we're not going to tell the fans! That's preview material, that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Son of Perun
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