I say we vote on whether or not to include these changes. Myself, I'd need to know exactly what these change are before I approve of them. Preferably I'd like FH to copy the relevent parts straight from notepad and post them here.
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I say we vote on whether or not to include these changes. Myself, I'd need to know exactly what these change are before I approve of them. Preferably I'd like FH to copy the relevent parts straight from notepad and post them here.
Since I'm always spouting off about GM rights, let me make this clear. A GM can have any mod he wishes in his game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil XIX
But I think we deserve to know exactly what that mod is so we can make the decision on whether to play the game.
Having FH decide what is "best for us", and then not informing us of the details, does not make me happy.
I already explained what exactly was changed on the previous page.
Well, I find that post to be vague.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
You have a certain way of seeing the game. Not everyone sees the game the way you do. But, you continuously try to push your "vision" for M2TW on everyone in the Throne Room by making mods and then ramming them into every game you play with very little discussion on the matter.
What if I don't share your vision? Shouldn't I at least be reasonably informed, so I can make an educated decision?
Hmm...none of the changes sounded that huge to me (I would like to have known the dates for the Mongols and Timurids).
I guess I'll reopen it for a vote. I'll be starting the game in a few hours. Any players online now tell me what you think about modding the game.
I vote No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zim
Why should we "even out" the King's Purse and starting florins? The factions aren't laid out fair anyways but they are not supposed to be fair. We all new what we were getting into.
The settlement numbers, unit stats, resource allotment, ect... are not fair so why should the money be?
"Just a warning: if we have to start getting 'consent' every time we do a procedure, soon it'll be 'informed' consent they'll want." - House M.D. :laugh4:
How true. And quite a few allegations in there too. Anyway, I'll overlook that and post a few specifics.
All factions start with 8000 florins - 1000 for each settlement they own at the start down to a minimum of 5000.
All factions have an equal King's Purse of 3000 rather than some arbitrary number.
Replaced all instances of balanced smith with other AI behaviors that are quite a bit more aggressive and smarter.
Decreased the interval of horde spawning by a factor of 2.
Added money scripts that check at the start of a faction's turn whether they are still player controlled and if not, gives them 5000-7000 extra cash that turn.
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Zim: The dates for mongol/timurid invasion are as per vanilla as I didn't change those. I changed the interval between each stack spawn once they actually invade though (so instead of 8 turns between each triple stack, its now 3-4 turns)
Yes FH, I demand to know what kind of game I am getting myself into. Zim can run any kind of game he wants. But I have every right to know the details ahead of time. I felt this was all railroaded past most of the players with very little information coming from the two of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
And FH, your not a doctor...
Quoting only the first part of the post rather than inclusive of the second part which already included the details seems rather odd and nonsensical to me, but certainly understandable that you want to know something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
And quoting a "doctor" doesn't require you to be a doctor.
No but you seem to have this paternalistic idea of what would be "best for us."Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
I will decide what is best for me. I will decide what kind of games I play. I do not appreciate you trying to alter the gaming experience of 17 people without adequately informing them.
Even the GM did not fully grasp what you were trying to change until I pushed.
If you want to present a mod, then present it to the group and let us know what it would do. Then wait for our feedback. Don't ramrod it through the GM and try to bypass us.
That's a moot point as there is a discussion poll ongoing.
While I expect that people will disagree with changes to the purse, I doubt anyone besides yourself will have anything against an AI that actually does something besides sit around waiting to get beaten into oblivion.
It's not moot. It is at the heart of the issue. If I hadn't made a stink, most of the players would not know what it was that you tried to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
And again, your making assumptions as to what we would find to be fun.
Why don't you just ask? Don't push it down our throats...:no:
This much OOC drama this early in the game is not healthy. If the issue is not resolved to satisfaction quickly then I'm going to withdraw.
well so far there are 2 no votes and one yes vote, if you make your decision and so does Gibson then all online players will have oted and Zim can make the final ruling, should happen quickly enough. Don't worry in the other GCH there is close to little arguments and pretty much just playing the game :)
Ok, since there are enough votes for no, one rather vehement, I will be starting the gamy in a bit with no mods. I was afraid if the arguing continued, players would be driven away, and oe has already expressed that sentiment.
Feel free to continue to argue the merits of modding for hotseats in the seperate thread I made, but let's get it out of here now that a decision has been made. If any more personal insults occur in this thread, Ill be making my very first report to a mod.
Come on guys, we have a Grand Campaign Hotseat with every faction filled! This will be great with or witout mods, and it's not worth arguing over. :yes:
"one rather vehement"Quote:
Originally Posted by Zim
I should make that my sig...
But on a more serious note, point taken.
FH and I are talking through PM's and as far as I am concerned, the discussion on here about it is over.
We bring you back to our regularly scheduled programs...
Ok, I am starting the game in a moment.
I would like to ask one technical question before beginning, since I don't play hotseat in regular MTW often.
I put this in my config file, correct? Only the number for the line I've put in bold (autoresolve) should be 1?
[multiplayer]
playable = true
hotseat_turns = true
hotseat_scroll = false
hotseat_autoresolve_battles = 0
hotseat_disable_console = 1
hotseat_disable_papal_elections = 0
hotseat_save_prefs = 0
hotseat_update_ai_camera = 0
hotseat_validate_diplomacy = 1
[hotseat]
admin_password = abc
According to FH's instructions in the "admin hotseat" sticky, it should be 0
It doesn't matter for the admin part.
Since we want to have all our battles autoresolved rather than manually fought though, this should be 1.
Well, I obviously wasn't going to have the admin password be "abc". :clown:
Now, will everyone have to put this stuff in their config file, or just me?
Just you, yourself and uh...you. :clown:
And after you start and save the game, you can get rid of it too.
And the abc part is vital btw. It will not work if its not abc!!!! :clown:
In that case, consider the game to be starting momentarily! :2thumbsup:
You mean I wasn't supposed to make the Crusade game admin password abc?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
:clown:
Alright guys! I have everything set up. I also did a test run through the turns (without looking at anything) and it worked. Every single faction is in the game, and the admin password works! :2thumbsup:
Save should be uploaded soon. Name will be 2GCH-1-England.
2 since this is the second such hotseat, turn 1 and England's turn.
PK, you're up first.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-1-England.zip
Away we go... :2thumbsup:
And we're off...
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-1-France.zip
Alright. Since I'm subbing for Roadkill today, I'll take the save. Cecil, if you can wait half an hour or so you'll have your turn. My wife is next after that, then me, so we could get five turns (at least!) done today. :2thumbsup:
Wait Zim. I havn't left yet. Can I please do the turn.
:yes: Of course.