The only reason I ask is because he refuses to answer any of the questions in my posts. I've answered all of his questions and he has totally ignored mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by makaikhaan
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The only reason I ask is because he refuses to answer any of the questions in my posts. I've answered all of his questions and he has totally ignored mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by makaikhaan
It's pretty simple Ichigo, I looked over your posts and they struck me as suspicious for the reasons mentioned in my original post. Your explanation didn't change anything. Let me make an example:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Person A votes third on a bandwagon, putting the guy in the lead :smash:
Person B: I think A is suspicious, he's bandwagoning :inquisitive:
Person A: No see, I actually think that person is suspicious. :sweatdrop:
Person B: oh ok. Nevermind then haha! :laugh4:
It doesn't work like that.
Alright I'm tempted to vote a lurker, but the lurkers are mostly, known lurkers. My poor analytical skills are as poor as ever.
WHAT?Quote:
Has anyone noticed the animosity between CrazedRabbit and 00Jebus?
Hold a moment..
CR voted 00Jebus for voting randomly in the first round, by coincedence or not, 00Jebus voted CR in the first round.
00Jebus then voted Ichigo as soon as chance permitted, and was again attacked by CR, who was recently attacked for voting me, partly on the grounds that he thought I was in conjunction with 00Jebus, and as soon as a couple of people voted CR - 00Jebus immediately jumped on the bandwagon.
Kindly see the summary of my posts before my defense. Your post is false in summary and in the particulars.
No, they had no reason. I did not make up any ill-contrived reasons or use slim evidence to try and lynch someone.Quote:
Two of those were votes for little reason. Or at a least poorly explained reason.
Oh, I'm just having a little fun with my posts.Quote:
So CR, is there an explanation for your posting history then? Or is just strictly to not get lynched?
But of course, you misunderstand. It's not that I'm not putting enough effort into not being suspicious, it's that I'm putting effort into being suspicious. Remaining not suspicious would require less effort. And you leaped on a bandwagon by copying other's reasons to lynch me.Quote:
I don't buy it... I'm sorry.
For now,
unvote: Glenn
vote: Ichigo
Nothing personal.
CR
Rythmic, do you agree with me on players such as Omanes Alexandrapolites - in that it is dangerous to let them submerge unchecked?
The problem is it becomes so hard to turn the spotlight on them after a while, the longer you wait - the more difficult.
I would like to hear someone speak more about the lurkers. Please continue.
haha. I've given an explanation for everything to accused me of. You're so stuck in one mindset it would have been impossible to convince of my innocence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
No I don't understand. I can see that remaining not suspicious would be less effort for you than what you've done, but what is your motive in drawing suspicion? By drawing suspicion on yourself you are drawing it away from actual criminals/mafia. Ergo the only people benefiting from your continued, and strange, behaviour are the mafia. So my vote remains on you until you explain your motives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
And you insinuate that I'm using others reasoning. If I stumble across evidence independently, but post after them then thats going to be said of me. So be it.
CrazedRabbit, nothing you are saying in your absolutely insane defense is rendering you either any safer from death - or any more innocent in my eyes.
As for you saying I spoke garbage when I accused you of a vengeful role-connection with 00Jebus, it is actually plain evidence, available to every player who reads through both of your posting histories.
You are both very interested in the death of each other, and have been since role PMs were assigned.
You, [Gaius SC] good sir, are the one foisting suspicion on me. I never asked for it. But it generates discussion, and it discussion that reveals the mafia. Plus it's fun as well, I admit.
Good grief. Plain evidence? I never voted for 00Jebus!Quote:
CrazedRabbit, nothing you are saying in your absolutely insane defense is rendering you either any safer from death - or any more innocent in my eyes.
As for you saying I spoke garbage when I accused you of a vengeful role-connection with 00Jebus, it is actually plain evidence, available to every player who reads through both of your posting histories.
How can people be suspicious of me when this is what my accusers say? He's saying up is down and nobody cares? I have sold my soul to the devil, and found out he is an idiot.
CR
CrazedRabbit - I am an idiot - I have made a mistake, and though it is only a small one and does not remove my suspicions from you, I must unvote while I sort out this mess - someone is tied to 00Jebus, and because I foolishly relied on my memory alone I remembered it as you.
Please accept my apology, dear foe, while I correct this sidetrack - but I render no other suspicions against you obsolete, only that suspicion of a vendetta.
For the moment: Unvote: CR Vote: Abstain.
Sorry everyone.
I have to go now, and so I will be inactive for a while.
I would like to summarise that my posts accusing a link between CR and 00Jebus are simply unfounded, I have deleted them - and they should be ignored.
However, all accusations shown that CR is erratic, unbelievable and scummy are endorsed and believed by me - and therefore I apologise to the players for making a groundless accusation - but replace my vote on CR because nothing else has changed.
Good luck town! Back soon.
Unvote ------ Vote: CrazedRabbit
Well, I'll agree that I have applied a fair amount of argument against you, I'll contend that the suspicion you have thus far accrued has been down to your own actions and arguments. While I get the fact that you may consider it 'fun' to be under suspicion, the fact remains, as I've said, that even if you are innocent then only the mafia benefit. And you are yet to provide compelling evidence to support your case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
And applause for the refutal of Glenn (Bolded), it was very well done. :whip:
aargh not making any sense out of the conversation about others so far...
vote: The Stranger
after near miss in first round voting he said he was probably dropping out - but apparently didn't actually suicide - although Hiji did so its clearly allowed by host.
Could just be a clever ploy to continue as lurking mafioso....
and if I'm wrong at least I'm not killing actively useful townie.
Gaius is very right CrazedRabbit, I am quite unsure of how to deal with you - which makes your death the only truly safe option.
I'm asking you, if you're innocent, and can help the town - to try and show some logic in your defense.
Have you been in contact with anyone? Quote some PMs, think, because I don't want this day's vote to be wasted.
Now the only thing you appear to be in my eyes is a meatshield for the Mafia - but I don't believe any townie would do that - they would have to have an incentive - which means you would be tied to the criminals.
Yes, WIFOM - I know - but your responses are admittedly weird and confusing CrazedRabbit, and purposefully so I believe.
So I ask again, make a defense that is worthy and I will argue in favour of you myself if it will mean a Mafioso getting lynched.
Very interesting how people are demanding Crazed Rabbit somehow prove his innocence. Honestly, the only thing i've seen levelled against him is that his posts seem a bit off from his usual style. A bit suspicious, maybe, but it isn't exactly the damning evidence some people seem to be claiming.
Explanation? I see nothing of substance. Here's your posts since my death:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Well of course he just pulled it out, its the first round.:inquisitive: How many first round votes have any actual substance to them? This was (to me)clearly an attempt to try and appear analytical with a vote, without any actual kind of analysis. Pure phony.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Its exactly because you've been 'trying' to be 'active' that I'm suspicious of you. You only lodged your vote for Sasaki after I'd called you on the inconsistency in your game playing style, which disqualifies it for any kind of real consideration for innocence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
In response to this,you wrote this:Quote:
I don't like Ichigo's vote here. His post count seems up from pre school mafia and his posts also seem cautious. I don't like his going after glenn in post 288. Glenn's posts are easy to pick on and a tempting target for mafia.
Point is here, is that you're more active in this game than you EVER are in any game you've been innocent, this early on. You're trying to act as though you're very helpful, but you've not posted anything of real substance, only half effort posts that don't really help figure out who the mafia is. Your vote against 00jebus is a perfect example of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
In response to this,you posted this:Quote:
I don't like that Ichigo is saying he thinks Prole and TinCow are innocent based on analysis of their posts. The number of posts is small so far and neither of them has done anything that strikes me as innocent. He also makes no mention of thinking they are innocent in his initial post where he merely went after glenn's reasoning. If he defends those he thinks are innocent why didn't he defend prole from her other voters? His post strikes me as an overly defensive reaction to PK (who only said it was ironic not suspicious).
Vote:Ichigo
This is an irrelevant exchange, but I posted it for the sake of thoroughness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
In response to this,you posted this:Quote:
Vote:Ichigo
Been acted very defensive lately, and been defending people I believed may be wise to watch out for.
Might I point out that you're actually sorta proving his point. You've generally defended yourself against nearly every person who's voted for you, which is a bit different from your normal style, which is more aloof than this. You seem to be taking each vote against you much more seriously than you normally do, by attempting to address each one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
In response to this,you posted this:Quote:
Wait.. I have reread the last few pages.
I should have more faith in the strategic ability of the Mafia - killing GH would have been to obvious a move - especially if CR was a criminal.
For now I change my vote in favour of the greatest and most sensible evidence.
Unvote: CrazedRabbit Vote: Ichigo
Once again, going back to the last point I made, you're going out of your way to attack each vote that's been lodged against you, knowing that the average person either doesn't have the time to look up every example of evidence, or simply doesn't care quite that much about mafia to spend that much time if they did have it. I repeat: your regular playing style has been much more aloof than this, and you're really trying to make sure that every vote against you really have 'good reason'. Your vote against 00jebus for him not providing 'evidence' was total crap, to be honest, and you're apparent desperation for 'evidence' is contradictory to your usual playing style, which has accepted that most often, votes in the first round don't have any real reason for them, highlighted by the fact that you always open every round with a vote: Sasaki.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
In response to this,you posted this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Once again, you seem determined to have 'evidence' against you for any kind of pressure to be legit. I've now pointed out several examples of how your behavior in this game is off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
In response to this,you posted this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Of course, in all this, you never actually state how exactly he was trying to 'fabricate an air innocence', only stating that he is. This directly defies your own apparent quest for 'evidence'. Hypocrisy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
In response to this,you post this:Quote:
Your post count has been down in general in recent games (capo etc). Your posts this game have an air of someone trying avoid a negative reaction. It is easy for mafia to make a pro-town appearance by pointing out mistakes in one of glenn's posts. Everyone makes mistakes, pointing them out is easy. Actual analysis is much harder to fake.
Once more, you demand for evidence against you, making it clear your very 'defensive' posture in this game. Much more defensive than you ordinarily are, and thus, I believe you have something to hide. Of course, you kindly ignore the fact that he pointed out that your post count has been down over the course of many recent games, not just preschool mafia. And lastly, you remain incredibly non-committal about PK's theory, even though there's very big and blatant holes in it, something I know you're smart enough to spot. You'd like to keep that theory open, just to cast suspicion on me, one of the main people's who've been coming after you. But in this method, you can cleanly avoid suspicion for this, something you are indeed skilled enough to try to pull off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
In response to this,you post this: [/QUOTE]Fabricate-To concoct in order to deceive[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Here, you have a golden opportunity to show how you thought Glenn was 'fabricating an air of innocence', but instead, decide to define 'fabricate' for him. Once again, you show you're own hypocrisy by refusing to show evidence or reasoning for your suspicion.
In response to this,you post this:Quote:
Originally Posted by PrivateerKev
This is an irrelevant exchange, but I included it for the sake of thoroughness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
In response to this,you post this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki
Once again, we see the them of you requesting some kind of hard evidence, despite when you ignore half the evidence presented against you, or else circumvent evidence with a strawman, as evidenced by your earlier remark about your Pre-School mafia post count being down, when in actuality, your post count has been down as of late with many games, not just Pre-School. In response to your "Why?", I posted this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
My point here was that you ordinarily don't address each and every vote and suspicion lodged your way, and in that way, you're acting overly defensive in this game. Your response was:Quote:
Originally Posted by makaikhaan
By this point, this is a red herring argument. Much has been presented against you, and your responses have been irrelevant, incomplete, misleading, or hypocritical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
In response to this,you posted this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki
Once again, you throw out an incomplete, misleading red herring. You claim no evidence has been brought against you; this is wrong. But what strikes me most suspicious is that you wouldn't even quote Sasaki's whole post. Conveniently, you decided to ignore the part where Sasaki explained some of his logic. Why? Well, now that might be detrimental to your whole argument that no actual evidence or logic has been brought against you, now wouldn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
ALL IN ALL, ICHIGO'S GUILTY, GUILTY AS HECK. I've explained in as great a detail as possible why he's been incredibly scummy, inconsistent, and misleading this entire game. Townie's, please lynch Ichigo now.
One must admit Ichigo, this is perhaps the most substantial evidence presented so far - especially coming from a dead man.
I am tempted to follow through with this - but there are three things I want to see;
A solid, straight defense from Ichigo.
A comment from Sasaki as to why Ichigo is suspicious, incomplete, and moreso in these two things than CrazedRabbit.
And I want to know why Makaikhaan has it in for Ichigo.
Where did this all start Makai? Right after Night 1 - you can help me by explaining if there is a reason for this - how would you possibly know if it was Ichigo who killed you?
And for the record: I don't buy the fact Makai was a townie.
But I congratulate you on a fine presentation Khann, I have thoroughly read it.
They show nothing of the sort. I have posted off-kilter posts, yes. But nothing unbelievable and nothing scummy. My post in defense of myself was thoroughly logical, whether or not you think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
I find it amusing you, who gathered so much suspicion in Capo II for your posts, should be so convinced that I am somehow related to the criminal element solely because you do not find my posts to be 'orthodox'.
Indeed, it seems you don't really get what I'm saying.
How, in detail, am I suspicious? All any of my accusers can say that my posts are odd. Not scummy, but odd.
CR
Sorry Glenn if the PM were a little "disjointed" as you put it. For the public record I'll post the PM:As for now, Ichigo seems to be quite scummy - when reading the thread, his reactions seemed a little violent. Several mafia players, including myself, used to/still do go into a bit of a rage when accusations are thrown at them if they are a mafioso. Combine this with makikhaan's analysis of all his postings, I consider this a fairly solid level of evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolities
I still dislike Proletariat for the same reasons shown in the PM. Zorg I'm less suspicious of after having time to think about him, but he's still not considered completely off the list of players I am weary of yet.
The Stranger is another player whose behaviour I dislike. He seems to be acting naive, as demonstrated in his first post in the thread, and, most of the time, rather than being constructive, he simply gives of an array of random almost off-topic comments as demonstrated here and here. He also seems to enjoy pointing unreasoned blame at others, as demonstrated in this post.
I suppose this could be attributed to it being his normal playing style, but I'm sure I don't remember him being quite like this the last time I played with him. This was a considerable time ago though.
From my perceptive, it's between Ichigo and The Stranger. The choice, to me, is quite obvious:
Vote: The Stranger
I understand that Ichigo is probably a better vote, but we mustn't allow new evidence to hide the old - remember what happened in Capo with scottishranger.
You understand of course, Omanes - why I called your reply disjointed and shed attention on you.
It was to bring you into the discussion, and I am glad you have arrived!
I feel that The Stranger, because of his well-known style, is not acting any differently to how he normally would - and for this reason anyone who finds that particularly suspicious is apt to be thought of as a criminal using his documented-but-strange behaviour as a scapegoat to their own guilt.
Considering there are far better options available for accusation.
Omanes, do you find anything worthy of a lynch in CrazedRabbit?
I didn't go after him for his first vote as you can see since you've quoted every post I've made in this thread. I went after because of his vote on me, which like I've stated before makes absolutely no sense imho.Quote:
Well of course he just pulled it out, its the first round.:inquisitive: How many first round votes have any actual substance to them? This was (to me)clearly an attempt to try and appear analytical with a vote, without any actual kind of analysis. Pure phony.
I give you his posts:
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this is based on no in game evidence, I just think he may want more time to iron out the rules to KotR's sucessor...
Vote:TinCow
also, he's on sigurds list, which I have to trust for now....
Quote:
I may be new but that sounds very defensive;Quote:
Bandwagoning is bad, especially when using someone else's reasoning.
Unvote, Vote Ichigo
You had to have noticed the complete lack of any opinions in his posts. He's been bandwagoning and I'm the only one that notices? Not to mention the fact that he's made only four posts, two of which lack anything that is helpful, and one that I don't even understand how he came to that conclusion.Quote:
Vote: Crazed Rabbit
As I have to trust 2 assesments on GH's value, he is an experienced player who voted for him (first I think) last round.
There was no reason for Sasaki to post that he was with the prostitute the first night. So, then why did he do it? I figure he did it because he figured that everyone would assume: "he's being open and honest, there was no reason for him to reveal that information, so he must be being truthful and have nothing to hide" It's possible that I was over thinking things at the time, but one thing I've learned is never to trust Sasaki. He's a manipulator and he'll do whatever is necessary to win.Quote:
Its exactly because you've been 'trying' to be 'active' that I'm suspicious of you. You only lodged your vote for Sasaki after I'd called you on the inconsistency in your game playing style, which disqualifies it for any kind of real consideration for innocence.
Go back and look through the games I've played. You'll find I'm overly active throughout all of them. I'm just pointing out what I find interesting.Quote:
In response to this, you wrote this:
Point is here, is that you're more active in this game than you EVER are in any game you've been innocent, this early on. You're trying to act as though you're very helpful, but you've not posted anything of real substance, only half effort posts that don't really help figure out who the mafia is. Your vote against 00jebus is a perfect example of this.
Yet again I point to past games. I like to defend myself and post. The only reason that would decrease is if I'm busy, which I have been for the last couple of months. The last two weeks or so I've been off of work more than I have worked and that means more time on the computer and an increase in the amount of posts. I know what you're gonna say "two weeks ago Pre School mafia was still running, but you still hadn't posted much" Whenever I have a role I tend to lurk. You can go back and look at games from two or so months ago if you don't remember how I played before.Quote:
In response to this, you posted this:
Might I point out that you're actually sorta proving his point. You've generally defended yourself against nearly every person who's voted for you, which is a bit different from your normal style, which is more aloof than this. You seem to be taking each vote against you much more seriously than you normally do, by attempting to address each one.
The only reason I ask is to try to explain what I was thinking when I made said post, but it is hypocritical that I wouldn't explain my own accusations. I tend to assume they're blatantly obvious and not worthy of in depth explanations.Quote:
In response to this, you posted this:
Once again, going back to the last point I made, you're going out of your way to attack each vote that's been lodged against you, knowing that the average person either doesn't have the time to look up every example of evidence, or simply doesn't care quite that much about mafia to spend that much time if they did have it. I repeat: your regular playing style has been much more aloof than this, and you're really trying to make sure that every vote against you really have 'good reason'. Your vote against 00jebus for him not providing 'evidence' was total crap, to be honest, and you're apparent desperation for 'evidence' is contradictory to your usual playing style, which has accepted that most often, votes in the first round don't have any real reason for them, highlighted by the fact that you always open every round with a vote: Sasaki.
He said "based on the evidence". If you're going to accuse someone of something then you should be able to back it up if they ask about it. Anyone can say:"Based on the evidence, you are a turtle" but are you a turtle? I'm pretty sure that's not true.Quote:
In response to this, you posted this:
Once again, you seem determined to have 'evidence' against you for any kind of pressure to be legit. I've now pointed out several examples of how your behavior in this game is off.
I thought it was clear from this line in my post:Quote:
In response to this, you posted this:
Of course, in all this, you never actually state how exactly he was trying to 'fabricate an air innocence', only stating that he is. This directly defies your own apparent quest for 'evidence'. Hypocrisy.
If you accuse and vote someone. You don't try to defend that person you just voted for. It's not logical.Quote:
This is strange. Seems like just an attempt to make you seem innocent. No one would defend someone they thought was guilty and worth voting for. It doesn't make sense.
I have explained this somewhere above. If you want me to point something out fine.Quote:
In response to this, you post this:
Once more, you demand for evidence against you, making it clear your very 'defensive' posture in this game. Much more defensive than you ordinarily are, and thus, I believe you have something to hide. Of course, you kindly ignore the fact that he pointed out that your post count has been down over the course of many recent games, not just preschool mafia. And lastly, you remain incredibly non-committal about PK's theory, even though there's very big and blatant holes in it, something I know you're smart enough to spot. You'd like to keep that theory open, just to cast suspicion on me, one of the main people's who've been coming after you. But in this method, you can cleanly avoid suspicion for this, something you are indeed skilled enough to try to pull off.
How would he know if I was the Taketsi gangster? I didn't see where the Carelli could investigate someone unless I missed it. Which makes the theory impossible. Not to mention the fact that I had a 2/38 chance of picking the right person. And the likelihood of that person voting for me the round before is probably a bit lower.Quote:
Now, makaikhaan's death seemed strange to me. The reference to family makes me wonder if makaikhaan was a Carelli mobster and was killed by Taketsi. Now, this would mean that Taketsi would have had to have gotten very lucky in his investigation on night one but it is possible.
Therefore, I wonder if Ichigo is Taketsi and makaikhaan is trying to get revenge by getting us to lynch him.
Fabricate-To concoct in order to deceive[/QUOTE]Quote:
In response to this, you post this:
Here, you have a golden opportunity to show how you thought Glenn was 'fabricating an air of innocence', but instead, decide to define 'fabricate' for him. Once again, you show you're own hypocrisy by refusing to show evidence or reasoning for your suspicion.[/QUOTE]
I thought it was obvious from the post where I initially said I thought he was trying to fabricate an air of innocence. I'm not going to play silly games because he doesn't like what I'm saying, which is what I think he was trying to do.
I was telling him about pever and Glenn.Quote:
In response to this, you post this:
This is an irrelevant exchange, but I included it for the sake of thoroughness.
If you can point out what I didn't address I'll be happy to do so. I've already explained why my post count has been down.Quote:
In response to this, you post this:
Once again, we see the them of you requesting some kind of hard evidence, despite when you ignore half the evidence presented against you, or else circumvent evidence with a strawman, as evidenced by your earlier remark about your Pre-School mafia post count being down, when in actuality, your post count has been down as of late with many games, not just Pre-School. In response to your "Why?", I posted this: My point here was that you ordinarily don't address each and every vote and suspicion lodged your way, and in that way, you're acting overly defensive in this game. Your response was: By this point, this is a red herring argument. Much has been presented against you, and your responses have been irrelevant, incomplete, misleading, or hypocritical.
I said I explained it or at least tried to. Why would I need too? It's not like a little diagram is damning evidence. It just tells the tale of person A and B. Whoever they are, could be anybody.Quote:
In response to this, you posted this:
Once again, you throw out an incomplete, misleading red herring. You claim no evidence has been brought against you; this is wrong. But what strikes me most suspicious is that you wouldn't even quote Sasaki's whole post. Conveniently, you decided to ignore the part where Sasaki explained some of his logic. Why? Well, now that might be detrimental to your whole argument that no actual evidence or logic has been brought against you, now wouldn't it?
Look, it's the damning evidence OH NOEZ. :end:Quote:
Person A votes third on a bandwagon, putting the guy in the lead
Person B: I think A is suspicious, he's bandwagoning
Person A: No see, I actually think that person is suspicious.
Person B: oh ok. Nevermind then haha!
Forgive me for any mistakes, I'm a little tired.Quote:
ALL IN ALL, ICHIGO'S GUILTY, GUILTY AS HECK. I've explained in as great a detail as possible why he's been incredibly scummy, inconsistent, and misleading this entire game. Townie's, please lynch Ichigo now.
Vote: Abstain
Just to avoid WoG. Been very busy in the past few weeks and atm I dont have time to read through all the posts. Sorry for inactivity and will be more active from wednesday onwards hopefully
Vote: Ichigo
I've played with you a lot, and you are never like this when you are townie. You are either mafia, or something has happened IRL.
And what if it did, are you just going to lynch him...:no:Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Yikes, those were some massive posts. I'm not convinced that Ichigo is mafia, but several people who know him well are saying that he is not posting in a normal manner. That's definitely more credible evidence than there is against anyone else, especially CR. For lack of a better candidate...
Vote: Ichigo
This is probably yet another townie lynch, but at least it will remove a controversial figure and help us focus better in future rounds.
For the record, I think this is accurate. I very much encourage the detectives to investigate Sasaki in future nights. Sasaki is almost certainly telling the truth about being blocked, simply because it would be certain death to lie about it. If he had fabricated that PM, then there would be two people who would be able to finger him, the prostitute and the person she blocked the first night. It would be patently idiotic to fabricate such a PM, so it is almost certainly real.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
At the same time, it is too easy to let Sasaki off based on his admission. The fact stands that he was blocked on a night when there were fewer hits than we expected. That poses a significant risk that he was mafia and was blocked. Detective(s), please investigate Sasaki in future nights. Alternatively, the prostitute may want to revisit him and see if that reduces the number of kills a second time.
I rushed off earlier and didn't quite have time to mention him, sorry about that. I started making that post at about 8:00 and, due to that, I've only just noticed his post immediately prior to mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Rather than his initial actions, I find his defence to be scummy more than anything. It's got that mafia style violent sort of tone to it, responding to questions with questions and the such like. He probably would be a good choice for the lynch.
I see your point about The Stranger, I've looked at an older thread and it appears I was wrong about him. I'm still not certain, however, but am willing to drop my vote for now.
Unvote: The Stranger ; Vote: Crazed Rabbit
Christ, we need a tally. Will vote after I've found one/made one.
Tally:
Ichigo: 4 (Sasaki, warman, CR, TinCow)
Crazed Rabbit: 3 (00jebus, Glenn, Omanes)
00jebus: 1 (Ichigo)
Glenn: 1 (pever)
Gaius Scribonius Curio: 1 (w&f)
The Stranger: 1 (Makanyane)
Abstain: 4 (BananaBob, Curio, PK, Beefy187)
PK and Curio's votes for CR are invalid, because they did not unvote.
pever's vote for Ichigo is invalid, because he did not unvote.
Glenn wins the award for most vote changes I've ever seen in a single round.
Unvote: Glenn, Vote: TinCow
For pointing that out.
Unvote: Tincow, Vote: Ichigo
Already given reasons.
First off, I am not convinced by CR's if-I-was-really-mafia-I-would-play-better defense. Second he tries to head off WIFOM's ahead of time instead of letting others bring them up. And third, he is being contradictory.
Why on earth would you be trying to be suspicious if you were a townie?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Yes you did. You just said you were "putting effort into being suspicious."Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
You are suspisious because you said it would be fun to be suspisious. If your not mafia, your cetainly not being a helpful townie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Sorry, I didn't know I had to unvote abstains. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
unvote abstain; vote Crazed Rabbit
As for The Stranger, I am giving him a turn to see if he is going to suicide or rejoin the game. If he rejoins, my suspicion of him will remain in full force. I've only given him a pass this turn because I thought he might be quitting due to real-life busyness.
(My bolding and underlining)Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Very good point, there. Looking at the spelling, punctuation and grammar of Sasaki's 'blocking' PM, and comparing it to his usual writing style, then cross-referencing Glenn's 'blocking' PM, and comparing it to his (Glenn's) usual writing style, I'd declare them both authentic, to a 90% surety - they're both most likely written by the same person (Andres), and NOT the revealers (Sasaki and Glenn).
Given the logic that "...It would be patently idiotic to fabricate such a PM...", with which I agree, Mssrs. Kojiro, S and Glenn are off my list of suspects.
Following Makanyane's lead and strategy, which seem sound, I:
vote: The Stranger
Why do you completely ignore CrazedRabbit and Ichigo, and follow the weakest possibility?
Hah, Ichigo is being quite, well, IIRC his defense is a bit more aggressive when he is guilty, he tries to ridicule his accusers. I could remember this wrongly but he does seem like a good lynch for round two, so:
Vote: Ichigo
I'm also still suspicious of Proletariat who is also rather quiet this round so far.
I don't like you clearing both Sasaki and Glenn with this. Even if we assume that both PMs are real, which I agree with, there is still a major difference between Sasaki and Glenn. Glenn was not blocked on the first night, when only one kill occurred, and he was blocked on the second night when two kills occurred. This makes it very unlikely that he is a killer. In contrast, Sasaki was blocked on the first night when there was only one kill and not blocked on night two when there were two kills. That should significantly increase our caution over him.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
As far as I am aware, the ONLY evidence that Sasaki is innocent is the wording of the PM, which indicates that he wasn't doing anything. However, the wording of that PM came exclusively from Sasaki. It would be very, very easy for him to post a real PM with 95% of the real wording from Andres, only changing a small portion of it to make him look more innocent than he really is.
Sasaki is very, very far from cleared in my book. He needs to be a top target for the detectives and prostitute in the coming nights. Ignoring him would be a fatal error under the circumstances. I think even Sasaki would agree with this given the situation.
No time to read the whole thread, but I'll vote for Sarathos.
Merely because of a hunch I had when I saw the list of players.
If I've got more time and catch up to the thread, I may change my vote (unless someone voted for me, then it'll be an automatic self-defense vote).
Makanyane, seems to play the same way whether she's Mafioso or innocent. She went undetected that way in Netherworld, so for now I'm going to vote her, (mostly so I don't forget this reasoning later on).
Vote: Makanyane.
vote: Ichigo
Looks like there is a pretty solid case against him.
while others, like Sasaki, are making reasoned arguments against Ichigo, others seem to just be bandwagoning. Haudegen doesn't post at all this whole game and then he comes out of the shadows to cast a quick bandwagon vote.
I still think Ichigo is not mafia. But I see why some are voting against him. But I am concerned that others seem to be using Ichigo to throw the trail off of them.
I see the same happening to The Stranger. Now I had planned on voting for him this round. But he said he is having real life issues and might leave. I am therefore content to give him a one day "pass" and see if he suicides, or can come back full-time.
But others are using the oppurtunity to vote for him when he might leave anyways. Are they doing it because TS seems like an "easy target" right now?
As for Khaan, I am still not convinced he is a townie. Therefore his massive assault on Ichigo makes me question his motive.
And I agree that Prole's total absence lately is supsicious.
That is all I have for now.
tally:
Ichigo: 7 (Sasaki, warman, CR, TinCow, pevergreen, Husar, Haudegen)
Crazed Rabbit: 4 (00jebus, Glenn, Omanes, privateerkev)
The Stranger: 2 (Makanyane, KukriKhan)
00jebus: 1 (Ichigo)
Gaius Scribonius Curio: 1 (w&f)
Makanyane: 1 (Rythmic)
Abstain: 3 (BananaBob, Curio, Beefy187)
Might as well not waste anymore of you guys time. I'll be lynched by tomorrow if I don't reveal.
After I got my role I decided to investigate *********Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
My results:
The dots are so as not to reveal the prostitutes identity.Quote:
You entered ********* room.
You found lipstick, dildo's, condoms, chains, leather and latex suits.
********* is innocent.
Andres
My next investigation was 00jebus
That's it.Quote:
While you were picking the lock of 00jebus' room, you heard the sound of footsteps.
You quickly hide in the shadows and you see 00jebus calmly looking around him.
You notice that he has a blooded fibre wire in his hands. He puts the murder weapon in his pocket, grabs his key and quickly enters his room.
00jebus is guilty.
Andres
I think khaan was the hitman that's the only reason I'm doing this.
Unvote: Ichigo
Vote: 00jebus
Right, well that solves that.
Reminder : votes have to be bolded to be counted as valid, like this :Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithrandir
Vote : Sarathos
I'll count this vote as valid, but from now on, unbolded votes will be ignored and not counted by me.
I'll consider those votes as valid, but please, for future reference: if you switch your vote, unvote first.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
And allthough unvoting is not required when your previous vote was an "abstain", I still appreciate it, since it makes my life easier.
Thats a fake Im afraid gentlemen, night one write up said the well dressed killer was experienced, if that was the case why didn't he whipe the fibre wire on something?
why is he even holding it? instead of say pocketing it?
and since its a wire, how could he see it anyway?
I know Andres wouldn't bother with such detailed discriptions elsewhere, and leave such obvious continuity errors.
Unvote
OMGUS Vote Ichigo
Hmm, you were quite lucky, Ichigo. Two nights, two investigations and you found two special roles ...
Unvote: Curio; vote: 00jebus
I don't really understand your logic but Ichigo's reveal makes sense.
Yes, he was lucky, but that role PM is almost certainly real. First of all, it is in the same style as all other PMs Andres has sent out. Second, it includes this tidbit:
This is referring to another role that has not previously been discussed in detail, almost certainly the man in black. I do not think that Ichigo would have inserted information like that in the role PM if he had made the whole thing up. Since I believe the role PM to be real, his accusation of 00jebus must also be believed until evidence shows that Ichigo faked the role PM. As for luck, I got far, far luckier by randomly killing the real vigilante in Netherworld on Night 1. Two successful investigations on the first two nights is unlikely, but not sufficient grounds by itself to overturn a role PM that seems real.Quote:
There's also a delicate problem. Your psychopatic brother is in town. He followed you. He won't harm you, because he is obsessively in love with you. However, people who vote you during the day, risk getting killed by your maniac brother.
unless of course he's the psychopath, then he'd have all the info he needs to forge a role pm
Well :daisy:, that's the problem with judging people on a comparison to their past behavior.
Unvote,Vote:00Jebus
Doh!Quote:
However, people who vote you during the day, risk getting killed by your maniac brother.
This is a odd thing, and I'm was debating this, but the thing that makesm ost sense is to do this
UnVote;Icihgo, Vote:00jebus
In light of Ichigo's reveal, I now have a new theory on Khaan's death.
I think Khaan was killed by Julliette's brother. That was what "family" meant. Khaan did vote for Ichigo in the first turn. (as strawberry) So, Khaan may not be mafia afterall. Sorry Khaan but we didn't know about Julliette's psycho brother stalking people who vote against her.
I believed that Ichigo was not mafia. As for Khaan being the hitman, we'll find out if Julliette survives the night. Now that "she" has revealed, I expect the hitman to take her out as soon as possible so she can't investigate anymore.
In light of all of this, I am inclined to believe Ichigo's claim against 00jebus.
unvote: Crazed Rabbit; vote: 00jebus
Unfortunately for you, the past events corroborate his claim. makaikhaan voted for Ichigo during the first round. makaikhaan when then killed by a "crazy" man who asked "Why do you hate my family?" This fits with the powers and background given for the Man in Black.Quote:
Originally Posted by 00jebus
Plus there's also the inconvenient fact that the Man in Black, as described here, isn't mafia. He's a serial killer who isn't a threat to the town unless we vote for Juliette. If Ichigo is the Man in Black, he's not a danger to the town.
dang, I would have joined this game if I knew PK was going to be in it :beam:
I'll just have to join your starwars mafia once it gets going. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
unvote: Ichigo
vote: 00Jebus
Like I said, nothing personal Ichigo (looks quickly around).
That would mean we still only had one mafia kill, as khann was killed by Juliette's brother. So Glenn could well be some sort of killer, using his percieved innocence to establish the town's trust in him.
CR
Vote: 00Jebus
Ichigo's role pm looks real enough.
I hate kittens. :grin:Quote:
Originally Posted by 00jebus
aww, Im basically dead now.... remember... a vote for me is a vote for throwing cute little kittens in woodchippers....
I have to leave now.
Just posting this to tell you that this round ends within 45 minutes from this post on. Any votes made after this deadline will not be valid.
:bow:
Vote:00jebus
Unvote: Ichigo
Vote: 00jebus
Ichigo's reveal seems genuine.
I have a very busy week ahead of me, will not be able to post for a few days, i have to take myself out of the game
vote:00Jebus
Damn.. the org was hanging when I was about to make my post.
I believe Ichigo has struck gold with his investigations.
Time will tell if he hit the jackpot...:beam:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
Ditto and for the record
vote:00Jebus
Day 2 - Conclusion
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Taormina - Giardino Publico - 10.20 p.m.
After Pino had told the villagers the disturbing news, the discussion started. A heated debate followed.
Some of them were almost certainly lawyers on a holiday and started long, elaborated monologues. Ichigo's name was frequently mentioned, but after a lenghty discussion and an unexpected event, democracy decided that 00jebus was guilty.
"Ok," Pino said. "Bring Mister 00jebus to me."
"Oh please, no need to push me", 00jebus said, walking calmy towards Pino.
"Got any last words, Mister 00jebus?"
"Well, it seems like fate is inevitable, eh?"
"So it seems indeed."
"Can I have a last cigar and a glass of cognac, please?"
"I don't see no harm in that. Can someone bring this gentleman what he asked for? Make sure it's the finest cognac we have," Pino added, nodding respectfully to 00jebus.
00jebus lit the cigar and nipped from his cognac. "Life is beautiful, isn't it? Just a pity that it has to end this way. Oh well, do what you have to do. Thanks for the outstanding cognac and the good cigar, by the way."
Pino drew his gun, and pointed it at 00jebus' head.
The bullet between the eyes ended 00jebus' life mercifully.
Pino sighed. "Let's hope we were right this time and that the killings will finally stop now. Good night ladies and gentlemen, we'll meet again tomorrow, same time, same place."
The crowd left the public garden of Taormina.
***
Tally:
00jebus : 10 :skull: (Ichigo, woad&fangs, Caius, Crazed Rabbit, Sasaki Kojiro, Husar, TinCow, AntiWarmanCake, Tratorix, Privateerkev)
Ichigo: 3 (pevergreen, 00jebus, Haudegen)
Crazed Rabbit : 3 (Omanes, Glenn, Gaius Sribonius Curio)
The Stranger : 2 (Makanyane, Kukrikhan)
Makanyane: 1 (Rythmic)
Sarathos: 1 (Mithrandir)
Abstain: 2 (Beefy187, Bananabob)
Not voting: 11 (Tiberius, Yaropolk, Sarathos, Zorg, The Stranger, Northnovas, LittleGrizzly, Sigurd, axel, TwilightBlade, Proletariat.)
Alive (32)
Ichigo
Tiberius of the Drake
woad&fangs
Omanes
Yaropolk
Caius
Sarathos
Beefy187
Zorg
Glenn
Gaius Sribonius Curio
pevergreen
Crazed Rabbit
Sasaki Kojiro
Husar
TinCow
The StrangerElite Ferret
Northnovas
Rythmic
LittleGrizzly
Kukrikhan
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Mithrandir
axel
Haudegen
Makanyane
TwilightBlade
AntiWarmanCake
Hiji
Bananabob
Tratorix
Privateerkev
Proletariat
Killed (3)
Seamus Fermanagh
GeneralHankerchief
makaikhaan
Lynched (2)
shlin28
00jebus
WoG'ed (0)
Suicide (1)
Hiji
***
NOTE : The Stranger has been replaced by Elite Ferret.
It's now night. PM's please. This night will last for 24 hours and will end tomorrow, at 22.00 (GMT +2)
Hello people of Taormina!
:jumping:Quote:
Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
Oww... my pride... :bigcry:
Sorry, Ichi.
I believe it would be wise for the prostitute to sleep with Juliette tonight.
I think half of the guys in here would buy that video...Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
:laugh4:
:sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
Half?
Definitely. I very much hope that Ichigo and the prostitute are now in contact via PM. Since Ichigo knows who the prostitute is and both are pro-town, they should be working together.Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
Good luck to pevergreen and Haudegen, who failed to change their votes in time. Looks like the Man in Black will have more targets tonight.
He can only kill one person, and it'll probably be the first person who voted for me so either Sasaki or pever.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
If I can't investigate anyone then I'm useless.Quote:
I believe it would be wise for the prostitute to sleep with Juliette tonight.
I cant help it, I was asleep!
I voted Ichigo because he wasnt in his townie playstyle. I could tell it was a role, I just said mafia because It was more likely.
Urg, that's true, and if the prostitute protects you, she might get killed as well. I think the odds of you living through the night without protection are essentially nil. At least you've done a lot of good by helping us lynch one of the three mafia and you've essentially neutered the Man in Black, since he won't be killing anymore once there are no more votes on you. That just leaves two mafia and the assassin, who can apparently go either pro-town or pro-mafia after you're dead. Not bad odds, all considered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
My brother might just go insane after my death and start killing off everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I don't suppose there's a secret therapist role around, is there?
Your brotha? What da hell?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Ok ok, I didn't think you were into that stuff but I guess it's half +1. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I dunno, I pulled the amount out of thin air. I won't dare try to analyze this group and try to figure out what their preferences are. (i'll let andres do that when he writes prostitute pm's.) :beam: