OK then.....Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
glances at post 394#....
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OK then.....Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
glances at post 394#....
Sorry, got blinded by Sasaki's post and didn't even see that. Will comment later, going out for dinner now.Quote:
Originally Posted by 777Ares777
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:Well, I guess defending Ares is pointless for you now.....:smash:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
What, about the me losing my dirt if I were to rise a rank or the comment about the second killer? :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Considering that I actually said something about that there was more than 1 kill rather than others (such as GH) just voting without adding anything to the vote or yet some others who just vote and have a different one liner to go with it doesn't seem exactly scummy to me.
If you are talking about me not posting much, feel free to use Sigurd analysis on my post count across games and roles.
Vote me all you want if you think my vote on Ares is somehow framing me.
I find TinCow's defense of Ares a little strange, but I do not feel strongly yet that he would be like a mafia partner. I seriously doubt the mafia would risk defending their partner this early, but I can't see how Ares could be innocent. Most plausible explanation so far that I have seen was that... stone thing? might have been planted there by the mafia to frame Ares. To me, TinCow does not have the scum vibe, otherwise this is an incredibly risky tactic.
It may be worth solving this mystery once and for all by investigating Ares, dead or alive. I do not want him to escape from death as mafia, nor do I want a frame job as good as this to screw with us all game.
We need to solve this conclusively before we can move on. In the meantime, we can look at FactionHeir, I haven't played many games with him but you other guys can read him better than me. Or anyone else you want to look at.
Alright I shall Vote: Ares.
I'm not entirely sure about the evidence that it had in the night write-up - it seems just far too bizarre to be true. However, at the same time I don't believe Ares' reveal is legitimate - he left out the welcome message at the start, which indicates to me that he was deleting a PM beforehand.
A question to pever though - you say you were given a cover PM. Was this within the same PM, but written after it? If so it could help to verify Sasaki's idea in regards to Ares' PM ordering.
:laugh4: To be honest - I was going to use "These questions are annoying me" as an excuse for a random vote on you first round.Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Good thing there was few players defending Ares. Otherwise there wouldn't be discussions but just pile of players voting him with short posts.
I say those who defended Ares did so because no one ales was. And I don't think thats scummy at all.
Forgive me for double posting. But I too was given a cover pm and that was written within the same PM but written after.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
o really? care to share? :stare:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefy187
I think pevergreen cleared why this is not a frame job.:book:
to which pevergreen responded....Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd
it had something to do with him losing of course....:no: but at least it gave away who killed him:yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
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Originally Posted by Pevergreen
Feel free to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
You can claim it as WIFOM of course, but in games where I have no role, I am a lot less active than in games where I do, contrary to most other mafia players. As you can see, I am less active than general, maybe to hide that I'm scum, you know.
The second fact being that I sometimes like to drop hints about my role in the first post after roles are given out. I mentioned loving my dirt this time around. If you then look at WE's farmer role PM, you'll notice that it mentions having a lot of dirt. Since he already posted his role PM, posting my identical one could be again taken as WIFOM/Scummy behavior as I could just have copied his.
Ergo I am guilty :laugh4:
I rather not :sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by 777Ares777
Looks like we might have our next lynch:whip:....(after Ares:skull:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefy187
FoS: BeefyQuote:
Originally Posted by Beefy187
Why is having a cover role that suspecious?Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
I am hated by most of peoples here. I'm only doing what is necessary for my survival.
OK time for confession ares.....
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Meh, FH I don't think you're guilty. But I liked the pressure town was putting on you. All this stuff on Ares might be a great thing, but the game isn't over and we need to question people besides him.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
You're fine in my book. I didn't see anything out of the ordinary, TBH, but frankly, anytime the town decides to question someone I am allllllll for it.
edit: saw Ares' confession. Can't say I am surprised. Everything he said to me in private smelt of fish.
You really are unlucky as a serial killer first Blackadder and now this oh well here is hoping the lynching of you turns out better in this game then it did in Blackadder.Quote:
Originally Posted by 777Ares777
Um, okay...
But why would you confess? What is there to gain in it?
unvote: Askthepizzaguy
vote: Ares
There is zero reason why we need Ares around, now. A confession is a confession.
Most curious is
That Ares would so confess
To be a killer.
I think thats definately his real PM.
Lynch the serial killer.
Poor Reenk...his beautiful game is being destroyed by us.
I like this, it reminds me of Kung Fu Mafia. :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by seireikhaan
Agreed, but I still fail to see the motive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
The most interesting thing about that confession is the battle rating of 0 which ares did indeed slip up on. Goes back to what I was saying earlier about the duels being misleading--if ares had dueled you might think he was weaker than a farmer but in fact the opposite was true.
Why not share the information while it's in your power to do so? He must have known he was going to be lynched. The other possibility is that he tweaked the pm to make himself look like a serial killer when he was actually mafia. Pretty much all he would have to do I think is change "vode" to "Edgar" and delete his partner's name. I would have to reread the starting story to make sure of that.Quote:
Agreed, but I still fail to see the motive.
I am looking at all the people who were VERY eager to jump on the Ares bandwagon.
Any mafia would love this. there's no reason not to jump on Ares. After all, he is guilty. Now, that's lazy mafia... not bothering to listen to defenses, discussions, or participate in any way but a mindless bandwagon on someone, even if they are guilty.
I'm joining that bandwagon now, because NOW there is no reason not to. But the eagerness to bandwagon is something I have a real problem with. It's lazy and it is a defensive form of play. The best defense is to make sure some poor schmuck gets lynched instead of you, and jump on any reasonable bandwagon.
:brood:
Pizza, you joined the bandwagon like everyone else.
vote:ares
This burgeoning debate between Sasaki and TinCow must not be allowed to distract.
Both have their points and have made mistakes.
We must keep our minds open and listen to reason and fact.
Upon further review of behavior, I feel neither are fakes.
So does this mean the mafia only gets 1 kill per night phase?
Also khaan, those are poems are just brilliant!
pever:
I think you might have been transferred into that stone. Would you mind if I wear you?
wanna swap roles?Quote:
Originally Posted by seireikhaan
What can I say, I'm just a real honest person :juggle2:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I wanted discussion. I wanted a defense. I didn't buy it all at face value like... Sasaki Kojiro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoyoma1910
Finger of suspicion: Sasaki Kojiro.
I re-read everything, and everything you did in reaction to the writeup looks closed minded and eager to get someone lynched. And you were awfully eager to see that chat log. You wanted as much evidence as possible to put the nail in his coffin. You were dismissive of everyone who even bothered to point out it wasn't ironclad stuff. Turns out Ares is guilty, sure... but you didn't sound much like a townie to me when you reacted to the news that there was evidence he was guilty. You just ate it up.
Valid perhaps is your reluctance to have people send me information; but it also explains a lot if you're mafia. You don't want the masons to have more info, do you?
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=337
Sasaki seems absolutely certain this writeup is all the proof in the world. But that kind of certainty should not exist from a townie. Even the other people who bandwagonned Ares wanted to hear his defense, and wanted to discuss it. You sound like you wanted to shut down the argument and the discussion; that's my impression anyway.
TinCow defended Ares, and TinCow was wrong. What mafia takes a gamble and defends basically a known criminal? I doubt TinCow is guilty, but I get that vibe from you Sasaki. Not just a vibe, but evidence that you have a single-minded purpose to destroy someone without having a discussion about it, and promoting a massive bandwagon.
Not fair-minded townie behavior.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=351
Sasaki seems to have a vendetta against Ares here. So eager to jump on ANYTHING that makes Ares seem guilty.
TinCow and GH both wanted to thoroughly discuss this one. That is sticking their necks out. Sasaki didn't bother.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=378
"If I were mafia" argument.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=398
Tincow makes good points against you, Sasaki.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=392
Seems to know fake roles are below the real ones, on the assumption we have 2, how would he know this?
I think we have a prime candidate for a night investigation. Sasaki, you're too good a player to be this single-minded about destroying someone. Seemed most everyone else was trying to think about it, in spite of the massive evidence. You bought and swallowed everything wholesale. I frown on that.
I'd like to hear your reaction to this.
Sasaki voted BEFORE the extra evidence about the role PMs, just based on being told in the write-up. There had been no other evidence suggested about any other person in this thread and as such I wouldn't call it bandwagoning to follow the only lead we might possibly have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Fair enough CountArach, I just want answers to my valid points above.
Not fair-minded townie play.
I've created a monster...
You know, that argument is kind of weakened by the fact that I was completely right.
~:handball:Quote:
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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Yeah, and a mafia never voted for a serial killer before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Not much of a defense, Sasaki. You were too eager, that's the point.
Without being committal, this is actually a very good point. I'm pretty sure that in Capo II the people that had cover roles had their fakes first and then the real thing.Quote:
Seems to know fake roles are below the real ones, on the assumption we have 2, how would he know this?
I think that was more luck over skill :juggle2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
@CA
Voting against me before finding out about my role pm/'s only shows sasaki's will to destroy me before i even defend myself
I think he was also going with his "Gut feelings" for a first day lynch....:juggle2: he seemed to think there was a watcher role.....and he was sort of right..:shrug:pevergreen's ability got Ares....:book:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
*tempted to bring up Godfather three:clown:*
It's how I do it when I give out fake pm's...Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Not necessarily how others do, that assumption alone leads me to believe you have 2 role pm's yourself
Oi'm not votin' - Oim abstainin'.. courteously
But I better not keep tally, Oim not such a fancy scribe as Mr. Khaan and them others.
:daisy:, everyone stop talking so much. 4 pages!
Vote: Gaius Scribonius Curio
agreed, he just never shuts up
vote:gaius scribonius curio
Beefy admitted he has two PM roles.....:inquisitive: could be over half of the players have fake PMs....ATPG you have one??:book:Quote:
Originally Posted by 777Ares777
If you are a townie, sasaki, I am listening. You know what to do.
Edit: @White_Eyes; apparently you had one role. I have one role. I am betting not everyone has dual roles... just peeps with powerful roles. Especially scummy ones.
Or it could mean beefy is guilty, a few players having extra roles (supposedly) doesnt account for the majorityQuote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
Now that wasn't very nice, dear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychonaut
With that, shall we wipe the slate clear?
Desperate bandwagoning... another strike against you. As if we needed it...Quote:
Originally Posted by 777Ares777
HAHA! The tally mus be likeQuote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
ares 9999999999999999999999999
...
gaius 2
I was trying to join in with psychonauts humor, your being so bland :yes:
Actually I was saying everyone was talking too much, my vote was entirely random.Quote:
Originally Posted by seireikhaan
plus being a second voter isnt really bandwagonning and theres no reason why gaius should be anymore innocent than me, theoretically im neutral anyway
Ares is most strange.
A jester, mayhap is he?
From Reenk, it could be.
When you say "I agree" then vote, that is bandwagoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by 777Ares777
LOL CountArach... the nail is in that coffin already. Ares is dead.
Yes, I realize your vote not not of total intent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychonaut
I was instead referring to your highly agitated tone.
However ill your mood may have been bent.
Ill will towards others is best never sown.
I know, I'm just trying to amuse myself on a lazy Saturday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I have to say, this has been a pretty amusing round already. What's next?
I've edited it, since it can be misconstrued that way. Anyway, everyone have some pie and mash and we'll sing songs of merriment and eat and be hearty.Quote:
Originally Posted by seireikhaan
I guess that is fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychonaut
I shall partake of much wine.
And sing out of tune.
I'm just not feeling it from Beefy187 either. But I'm sticking to one case at a time.
Like a house collapses against a hurricane's gale,Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
That, my dear friend, is precisely why you often fail.
You want me to post my case against Beefy?
It's Day 1. Wait longer to gather more data and see what you find then.
Ok.
On the contrary, my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
In secret it should be kept.
Keep it until we near end.
And hope we have not yet wept.
How do you manage!?Quote:
Originally Posted by seireikhaan
If I may say, my studliness surpasses all.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
I just wish I was as skilled with a True football.
You might claim to be an ultra-nerd, but I still say you could beat me six ways from sunday in real life, with your bare hands. I'm the only true nerd here.
Okay, that was one long catch-up session. It's fortunate that patient I am.
Vote: Ares
Why? Welp, write-up evidence, role reveal innacuracies, confession reveal. "nough said."
Who to look at next? It's always the quiet ones who outwait the patient ones -- 'less you flush them out of the bocage. FH, Beefy, Pscyho...all keeping it short and sweet with little sense of their role.
Course, that may just be me doing too much thinkin'. Still, get 'em out in the open says I -- can't see the wolves unless they're in the open.
Unvote: FactionHeir
Vote: Ares
I don't understand the strategy behind the SK reveal, but I won't refuse a gift when offered one.
Challenge:Askthepizzaguy
You got it, pal. After that defense, or lack thereof, I'll take a shot at you.
Challenge Accepted.
hm....
im a little concerned about Ares' ACTUAL role.
He's been quite inconsistent with his reveals and such, and well, here's what i've come to decide:
His Latest role reveal is fake or AT LEAST tweaked. here's the reason:
and compare to this:Quote:
Before the man could offer his final thoughts, a large figure, clad in well crafted armor that was dark as obsidian approached. The man turned his attention to the armored figure and cheerfully greeted him: "Hiya!"
The armored figure responded in a cool, deep tone: "What is your name?" What a critical error this warrior of Vode committed as the man opened his mouth...
notice the the different God's?Quote:
You are Edgar's Swordman
Background:
You were heir apparent to become priest king of a powerful city, but on his deathbed, your father decided that you would not succeed him due to your cruel and unjust nature. You killed your father because of this and thus did Edgar enter your life.
Edgar is the god of fighting. He is no friend of your people, but then again, you are not either.
second pointer:
Why would a God of Fighting not want to fight? it just doesnt make senseQuote:
0 - Before devoting yourself to Edgar you were a warrior of legendary power. Now that you are in the his service, you have truly become a vessel of illusion. You are indeed the most powerful human in the world. Yet you never show any of your power whilst dueling, doing so would make Reenk Roink jealous of your wondrous ability.
Another point on this is that i thought Reenk was a priest? priest's dont like strength, they like magic and stuff like that ( i assume)
Ares also doesnt make much of a defence for himself - almost wanted to be lynched.
This can only lead me to believe that if we lynch him, it might release some special power or something.
the best i recommend we do is that someone who is REALLY Strong (pref with max fighting skills) to challenge him and kill him that way, or if we have a vig or something, to murder him.
im really tempted to lynch him too, but im going to:
Vote: Abstain
just incase he really is hiding more things
Are Vode and Edgar both gods? Or is Vode a place?
Nevermind, read the opening story.
This is a good point. In the kill he is at least pretending to be a killer of Vode. As I said earlier it would have been easy to switch "vode" to "edgar". Reasons to pretend to be a SK would be:Quote:
Originally Posted by taka
1) just for fun
2) Because he felt his partner had revealed himself somehow
3) Because he wanted us to think that his partner had revealed himself somehow
Vode is the Evil god of war or somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I've not heard of Edgar before
2 and 3 are good points but wifomQuote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
i do think he's trying to protect his mafia partner, but what im more concerned is what would happen if we lynch him.
I just did a search of the thread using the search function ctrl+f, I didn't see Edgar... checking again.
edit:
No Edgar. (unless it's hidden in spoilers somewhere, or my browser doesn't work.)